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Since: Jun 09

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#80777 Feb 19, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
While I am not sorry for him, I find this to be BS.
http://consumerist.com/2013/02/19/alleged-del...
I hate the notion that I could be fired for "ebarassing the company" while I am off the clock. My employment should be soley based on my performance and behavior AT WORK.
10 years ago maybe. But now if you mess up as publically as that guy did, someone will do a social media check and there is no nook or cranny of your life where you will not be hounded.
Once the furor dies down, he'll get a job.Rush Limbaugh is aways looking for help.

Since: Feb 08

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#80778 Feb 19, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>Not that I am againstthe idea, but how would you handle sales tax? If an item costs $1, then with tax(around here) its $1.07. Either the proprietor ends up giving it to you for a dollar and he pays the 7 cents out of his pocket in aggregate when giving uncle Sam all the sales tax he's owed, or you have to pay him $1.25 and he will pocket 18 cents when its time for him to pay Uncle Sam.
Is there another scenario I have not considered?
That's one thing I will miss when we go full time. No sales tax.

Since: Feb 08

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#80779 Feb 19, 2013
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
I have a friend who lived in a haunted mansion in st. paul, on a street known for big mansions. It was mostly annoying stuff, but one day it went too far, and she and her husband packed up and were gone that week.
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So I did some research on autoimmune diets. I have a list of foods to avoid, and a list of foods I should have.(I just was bored at work yesterday, we'll see what the doc says tomorrow.)
To avoid: Gluten, egg whites, alcohol, lectin (beans), saturated fats, simple carbs (added sugar).
Half my diet is supposed to be fruit and veggies, plus nuts.
I don't think I want to live without gluten (bread/pasta) and alcohol.
You can get breads and such made with gluten free flours. There are several restaurants in our area that have gluten free sections on their menus.

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#80780 Feb 19, 2013
Matilda77 wrote:
Pretty sure I read he was an executive.
He was a business unit executive. What that means is anyone's guess. I imagine there are many "executives" who's roles are completely internal and have no public facing duties.
Matilda77 wrote:
But I'd think in normal cases, I think you have to be convicted.
Dude I used to see on my floor got busted for child molestation and he worked until the trial.
That's another thing I had a problem with. He's denying the allegations. The courts presume innocence until proven guilty. Seems kinda shitty that someone could be fired over actions they were accused of but are denying.

Since: Feb 08

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#80781 Feb 19, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
While I am not sorry for him, I find this to be BS.
http://consumerist.com/2013/02/19/alleged-del...
I hate the notion that I could be fired for "ebarassing the company" while I am off the clock. My employment should be soley based on my performance and behavior AT WORK.
Generally, yeah, but you do something that puts you in the spotlight world wide as this did? Just reaping what you sow.
He was old enough to know better.
He's just lucky it wasn't MY kid.

Since: Jan 10

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#80782 Feb 19, 2013
NWmoon wrote:
<quoted text>Generally, yeah, but you do something that puts you in the spotlight world wide as this did? Just reaping what you sow.
He was old enough to know better.
He's just lucky it wasn't MY kid.
That's another way to look at it -- he put himself in that spotlight.

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#80783 Feb 19, 2013
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
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I"m glad he was fired. I think he deserved it. He also has a history of domestic abuse, apparently.
LikeI said, I'm not sorry for HIM, assuming he did it, I just don't like this practice of an employer holding you accountable for things you do on your own time. I want an employer to only consider your job performance and your behavior while on the clock.

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#80784 Feb 19, 2013
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
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Wait, what's this about? did I miss something?
DAmmit. First I post to the wrong date, then I forget the link.

http://consumerist.com/2013/02/19/mom-claims-...

Since: Feb 08

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#80785 Feb 19, 2013
Sam I Am wrote:
OK, I have not seen a poll around here for awhile, so on this 15 degree day, I ask what about summer are you most looking forward to:
A) Wearing shorts/sundresses/sandals, etc.
B) Beer garden drinking/al fresco dining
C) Fun on the water
D) Grilling
E) Gardening
F) Outdoor concerts
G) Cubs games
H) Playing outdoor sports
I) Farmers markets
I am not going to be able to garden since we'll have no yard, so I am looking forward to A, B (the outdoor dining part), C, D, F, and I.
I am also looking forward to the first vacation in almost a decade. I went down for the wedding of my best friend's son, but not with Bear.
The last one we had together was with a friend, we went to SF in '96, the last one we had with just the two of us was our honeymoon ten years earlier. This is LONG overdue.
We're taking off as soon as my charge is picked up in June and going to do a loop down into CA hitting The Bay area, Central Coast, the desert to visit with the GoodEx, LA, then head back up through Nevada. Our real challenge is to not overbook ourselves, so we don't have to rush at all. I want this to be relaxing for both of us. And to be honest, I'm looking forward to Bear and GoodEx meeting at long last. The punning will be non-stop, I'm sure, but it'll be fun, too.

Since: Feb 08

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#80786 Feb 19, 2013
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
Re: the baby slapper: However, would they normally report on who your employer is? I guess I don't even see why that's pertinent to the story.
I'm fine iwth him being fired because he's a drunk asshole, but...
I don't know. I got a DWI and it didn't affect my employment, because my employer never found out -- I didn't miss any work other than a court date, which I could plan for in advance.
It also wasn't being passed around every facebook page, and wasn't a top story on international news programs. If they'd been interviewing witnesses to your arrest on Good Morning America, and The Today Show,(where their research staff would have found out where and for whom you worked) I doubt you could say that. If they didn't fire you for that directly, they could have likely manufactured a reason, or just laid you off and paid the UE benefits.

Since: Feb 08

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#80787 Feb 19, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>LikeI said, I'm not sorry for HIM, assuming he did it, I just don't like this practice of an employer holding you accountable for things you do on your own time. I want an employer to only consider your job performance and your behavior while on the clock.
Do you have any idea how many rules and regulations were put on people about their private activities by employers in the past? It's much better now, but when my mom started teaching, there were a TON of things that teachers of both genders were prohibited from doing. If she hadn't already been married, more of them would have applied to her. Although those sorts of things were applied more often to women in the job force rather than men, there were plenty of jobs where people's private lives were under scrutiny, and breaking the rules meant termination and a bad reference if any at all.

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#80788 Feb 19, 2013
NWmoon wrote:
Do you have any idea how many rules and regulations were put on people about their private activities by employers in the past?
Is this supposed to change my opinion of the now? So you're saying it was worse in the past and I should be happy with the way it is now?

"Well, the school bully used to beat me up every morning and take my lunch money, but now he does it only on Thursday. I'm pretty stoked!"

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

#80789 Feb 19, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
I just don't like this practice of an employer holding you accountable for things you do on your own time. I want an employer to only consider your job performance and your behavior while on the clock.
This is common and nothing new.

Should your son's kindergarten teacher keep her job if authorities find kiddieporn on her home computer?

Many jurisdictions don't allow their cops to work a second job as a bouncer at a strip club.

My coworker got fired for a gun crime he committed while off the clock (there's a potential he could put his coworkers at risk.)

I could lose my job if I get a DUI.(It could show I have a drinking problem and could be a safety risk for myself and others.)

If you exhibit violent or dangerous behavior off the clock, there's a chance you can be violent or dangerous ON the clock.

Toj

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Since: Jul 12

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#80790 Feb 19, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
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This is common and nothing new.
Should your son's kindergarten teacher keep her job if authorities find kiddieporn on her home computer?
Many jurisdictions don't allow their cops to work a second job as a bouncer at a strip club.
My coworker got fired for a gun crime he committed while off the clock (there's a potential he could put his coworkers at risk.)
I could lose my job if I get a DUI.(It could show I have a drinking problem and could be a safety risk for myself and others.)
If you exhibit violent or dangerous behavior off the clock, there's a chance you can be violent or dangerous ON the clock.
The drinking thing they're walking a fine line. You could say you have a disease so they have to look at it that way first. I know most places don't but some do b/c of lawsuits. People will sue over anything. I don't know if anyone won, but...

“...,to wit”

Since: Jun 09

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#80791 Feb 19, 2013
Toj wrote:
<quoted text>
The drinking thing they're walking a fine line. You could say you have a disease so they have to look at it that way first. I know most places don't but some do b/c of lawsuits. People will sue over anything. I don't know if anyone won, but...
I didn't think an employer had to accomodate alcoholism under ADA.

Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

Since: Jul 12

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#80792 Feb 19, 2013
PEllen wrote:
<quoted text>I didn't think an employer had to accomodate alcoholism under ADA.
Here's a link and the relevant Q&A from the link: http://www.ada.gov/q%26aeng02.htm

Q. Are alcoholics covered by the ADA?

A. Yes. While a current illegal user of drugs is not protected by the ADA if an employer acts on the basis of such use, a person who currently uses alcohol is not automatically denied protection. An alcoholic is a person with a disability and is protected by the ADA if s/he is qualified to perform the essential functions of the job. An employer may be required to provide an accommodation to an alcoholic. However, an employer can discipline, discharge or deny employment to an alcoholic whose use of alcohol adversely affects job performance or conduct. An employer also may prohibit the use of alcohol in the workplace and can require that employees not be under the influence of alcohol.

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#80793 Feb 19, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
<quoted text>
This is common and nothing new.
Should your son's kindergarten teacher keep her job if authorities find kiddieporn on her home computer?
Many jurisdictions don't allow their cops to work a second job as a bouncer at a strip club.
My coworker got fired for a gun crime he committed while off the clock (there's a potential he could put his coworkers at risk.)
I could lose my job if I get a DUI.(It could show I have a drinking problem and could be a safety risk for myself and others.)
If you exhibit violent or dangerous behavior off the clock, there's a chance you can be violent or dangerous ON the clock.
IThere's somethingto be said fordue process. If kiddle porn is found ten tere is a crime that has been committed and jail time is in order. Job is the least concern.

I don't think yourco-worker should have been fired. I don't think you should lose your job for a dui (unless your job involves diving).

“...,to wit”

Since: Jun 09

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#80794 Feb 19, 2013
Toj wrote:
<quoted text>
Here's a link and the relevant Q&A from the link: http://www.ada.gov/q%26aeng02.htm
Q. Are alcoholics covered by the ADA?
A. Yes. While a current illegal user of drugs is not protected by the ADA if an employer acts on the basis of such use, a person who currently uses alcohol is not automatically denied protection. An alcoholic is a person with a disability and is protected by the ADA if s/he is qualified to perform the essential functions of the job. An employer may be required to provide an accommodation to an alcoholic. However, an employer can discipline, discharge or deny employment to an alcoholic whose use of alcohol adversely affects job performance or conduct. An employer also may prohibit the use of alcohol in the workplace and can require that employees not be under the influence of alcohol.
So if one of your executives misuses alcohol in public and it brings the company into disrepute does that mean the alcohol has adversely affected his job performance or conduct?

Which side of that would you like to argue?

Since: Feb 08

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#80795 Feb 19, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>Is this supposed to change my opinion of the now? So you're saying it was worse in the past and I should be happy with the way it is now?
"Well, the school bully used to beat me up every morning and take my lunch money, but now he does it only on Thursday. I'm pretty stoked!"
No, but I'm saying it is nothing new, and if you make an INTERNATIONAL public disgrace of yourself, you've only yourself to blame if your employers decide they don't want you representing their company after that.

Since: Mar 09

West Palm Beach, FL

#80796 Feb 19, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>IThere's somethingto be said fordue process. If kiddle porn is found ten tere is a crime that has been committed and jail time is in order. Job is the least concern.
I don't think yourco-worker should have been fired. I don't think you should lose your job for a dui (unless your job involves diving).
I'm not going to bother trying HTML, so...

Edog made the following statements:

"Should your son's kindergarten teacher keep her job if authorities find kiddieporn on her home computer?"

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"My coworker got fired for a gun crime he committed while off the clock ...."

I don't understand why you see these as different. In both instances, crimes were committed.

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