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Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

Since: Jul 12

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#79775 Feb 6, 2013
For Mitt to say corporations are people, I believe he is out of touch with most Americans.
Sam I Am

Cedar Grove, TN

#79776 Feb 6, 2013
People, can we follow the bouncing ball? Angela said the only way to punish corporations is lawsuits. I said (tongue-in-cheek) that, no, since corporations are people (according to Mitt Romney and his famous quote), they have consciences and will change on their own. He literally said the words and I was using that to play with Angela.

The Supreme Court did not say that. And I don't care. What they ruled is irrelevant. It has nothing to do with the original point. Unless, of course, you're an unhappy douche who just likes to pick fights since otherwise no one would engage you.

“What's it to ya?”

Since: Mar 09

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#79777 Feb 6, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
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Buckley v. Valeo
Admittedly I just woke up, but I just don't see anywhere in this decision (in 1976 by the way) where the SC ruled that Mitt Romney is right and corporations are people. Did you even read the decision?

The only thing I see about corporations is Congress can not ban independent expenditures by corporations. Still doesn't say corporations are people. Especially in the way Romney was trying to say it.

Fail

“What's it to ya?”

Since: Mar 09

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#79778 Feb 6, 2013
Sam I Am wrote:
People, can we follow the bouncing ball? Angela said the only way to punish corporations is lawsuits. I said (tongue-in-cheek) that, no, since corporations are people (according to Mitt Romney and his famous quote), they have consciences and will change on their own. He literally said the words and I was using that to play with Angela.
The Supreme Court did not say that. And I don't care. What they ruled is irrelevant. It has nothing to do with the original point. Unless, of course, you're an unhappy douche who just likes to pick fights since otherwise no one would engage you.
I got what you were doing/saying, but you know the dog was foaming at the mouth, so I decided to engage him...silly me. Turns out even his "fact checked" info is wrong. Surprise, surprise, surprise!

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

United States

#79779 Feb 6, 2013
Sam I Am wrote:
People, can we follow the bouncing ball? Angela said the only way to punish corporations is lawsuits. I said (tongue-in-cheek) that, no, since corporations are people (according to Mitt Romney and his famous quote), they have consciences and will change on their own. He literally said the words and I was using that to play with Angela.
The Supreme Court did not say that. And I don't care. What they ruled is irrelevant. It has nothing to do with the original point. Unless, of course, you're an unhappy douche who just likes to pick fights since otherwise no one would engage you.
You are trying to attribute that statement to Romney when in actuallity it's an interpretation of a supreme court ruling going back thirty years! Wow, you're a ...

Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

Since: Jul 12

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#79780 Feb 6, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
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You are trying to attribute that statement to Romney when in actuallity it's an interpretation of a supreme court ruling going back thirty years! Wow, you're a ...
Did you read what I posted? That's the only time/way a corporation is considered a "person".

Are you in an extra feisty mood today?
He who knows

Chicago, IL

#79781 Feb 6, 2013
The status of corporations as legal persona is set by statute by the states.In general this pertains to the right to sue and be sued in the corporate name which protects the individual officers and directors from personal liability. It is not a Federal issue per se.

For an example that a corporation can be subject to many of the same penalties as a natural person, please see the Enron/ Arthur Anderson proceedings where the corporations were subject to criminal penalties.

If you want to learn about the personal responsibility of the people who run a corporation, you might search for things that "pierce the corporate veil", statutes and case law you will find on the state level( with the possible exception of Louisiana).

Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

Since: Jul 12

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#79782 Feb 6, 2013
Sam I Am

Cedar Grove, TN

#79783 Feb 6, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
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You are trying to attribute that statement to Romney when in actuallity it's an interpretation of a supreme court ruling going back thirty years! Wow, you're a ...
I am attributing the statement to him BECAUSE HE ACTUALLY SAID THOSE WORDS. It's called a QUOTE, you syphilitic chimp. I was not alluding to the bitter paraphrasing of a malcontent who was trying to put words in the Supreme Court's mouth.

Speaking of paraphrasing, I will borrow from one of my favorite movies of all time, a snippet of which I saw last night:

Why are you being so obtuse? Is it deliberate?
Sam I Am

Cedar Grove, TN

#79784 Feb 6, 2013
Mimi Seattle wrote:
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I got what you were doing/saying, but you know the dog was foaming at the mouth, so I decided to engage him...silly me. Turns out even his "fact checked" info is wrong. Surprise, surprise, surprise!
Wait. A. Minute. Are you trying to tell me that information cited by Mutt didn't pan out? You're pulling my leg. That's just crazy talk. You'd better check your sources again.

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#79785 Feb 6, 2013
My office has officially become resume/job search central. I don't know anyone doing actual work, including, management. We are all working on and comparing resumes.

Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#79786 Feb 6, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
My office has officially become resume/job search central. I don't know anyone doing actual work, including, management. We are all working on and comparing resumes.
Of course. What are they going to do? Fire you?

Sorry you are going through this, but glad you seem to have a group to meet with in order to move forward.

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#79787 Feb 6, 2013
Hope you get a good severance package! What if they ask you to relocate to the main hive?
Mister Tonka wrote:
My office has officially become resume/job search central. I don't know anyone doing actual work, including, management. We are all working on and comparing resumes.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

United States

#79788 Feb 6, 2013
Sam I Am wrote:
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I am attributing the statement to him BECAUSE HE ACTUALLY SAID THOSE WORDS. It's called a QUOTE, you syphilitic chimp. I was not alluding to the bitter paraphrasing of a malcontent who was trying to put words in the Supreme Court's mouth.
You're taking a comment someone made about a law, and you're trying to attribute it solely to him.

Think of it like this, the SC has ruled that abortion is legal. So if I stand up and say "abortion is legal," does that make it MY policy?

You can just admit you were ignorant, or obtuse, and didn't realize Romney was only stating a legal policy of the supreme court. Instead you're trying to say "but but he's the one who formulated it into those specific words! That's all I was really TRYING to say!" You screwed up, you tried to slam Romney, and it blew up in your face. Now it's dripping with egg and you're trying to wipe it off.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

United States

#79789 Feb 6, 2013
Toj wrote:
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Of course. What are they going to do? Fire you?
Actually, yes. He and his co-workers need to tread carefully. If they're gonna be laying people off, they're gonna fire whoever they can to get out of paying them unemployment. I've seen it happen.

Since: Aug 08

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#79790 Feb 6, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
<quoted text>You can just admit you were ignorant, or obtuse, and didn't realize Romney was only stating a legal policy of the supreme court. Instead you're trying to say "but but he's the one who formulated it into those specific words! That's all I was really TRYING to say!" You screwed up, you tried to slam Romney, and it blew up in your face. Now it's dripping with egg and you're trying to wipe it off.
Yes, she does have egg on her face, but not for the reasons you contend. When he made that statement, he wasn't making a statement about law:



It is clear to anyone watching that video other than Sam or those with more than 2 brain cells that what he meant was that taxing corporations is really taxing people, because in the end corporations are owned by people. To say you are taxing a corporation and are not taxing people by doing so, is akin to my having to pay property tax on my boat and someone saying they are taxing my boat, not me. To the extent I have less money in my pocket than would otherwise have, but for a tax, means I am being taxed, regardless of how that tax is effected.

Someone, such as Sam, who would make a big fuss about this and in the process distort what he was actually saying has more in common, on an intellectual level with birthers or folks who claim Obama is a Muslim and folks who claim the bible says the anti-christ will be a Muslim (despite Islam not even being a religion at the time the bible was written), IMO. It's dishonest to claim he was saying that corporations are people in the sense she implies.

Democrats love to talk about this stuff (this and who Rush called a sl*t)... it distract from important issues and really gets their highly intelligent base, who lack the intellect to critically think and unbiased ability to question anything that is spewed by their party, all fired up.

She's not a democrat tho. If she is not, it's only in name.

Since: Aug 08

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#79791 Feb 6, 2013
less than 2 brain cells, lol
Sam I Am

Knoxville, TN

#79792 Feb 6, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
<quoted text>
You're taking a comment someone made about a law, and you're trying to attribute it solely to him.
Think of it like this, the SC has ruled that abortion is legal. So if I stand up and say "abortion is legal," does that make it MY policy?
You can just admit you were ignorant, or obtuse, and didn't realize Romney was only stating a legal policy of the supreme court. Instead you're trying to say "but but he's the one who formulated it into those specific words! That's all I was really TRYING to say!" You screwed up, you tried to slam Romney, and it blew up in your face. Now it's dripping with egg and you're trying to wipe it off.
I am attributing it to the person WHO ACTUALLY SAID IT. Why? Because he said it. And because that is how it is recognizable. And because the Supreme Court didn't rule that corporations are people. That, again, is one malcontent's characterization, and, as others in here have tried to explain to you, the ruling to which you keep alluding (inaccurately) has a very specific scope.

Your example further amplifies your obtusity (made-up, yes, but if you're going to make stuff up then so can I). The statement "abortion is legal" is similarly erroneous. It is legal with numerous restrictions, and the truth is much narrower than that generic statement, just like the truth of the ruling is much narrower than "corporations are people."

And BTW, if I am looking to someone to encapsulate the opinion of the Supreme Court, Romney would not be that someone. His proficiency lies elsewhere.

Did that chair hit you in the head? I am trying to find some reasonable explanation for your obtusity.
PEllen

Chicago, IL

#79793 Feb 6, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
My office has officially become resume/job search central. I don't know anyone doing actual work, including, management. We are all working on and comparing resumes.
Be discreet.

My company was aquired in early fall 2008, so I know were you are at.

Rumors are probably running wild, but ask HR if they are going to do a Reduction in Force (RIF) and if they will be offering outplacement services. That will have been negotiated as part of the aquisition. Try to be discreet in your job search just in case.

Our shop laid off people in waves. Everyone did not get RIF's at once.

LinkedIn is great but face to face/phone call to aquaintance networking is better. Industry groups like FruitFly Farmers of Florida ( or whatever field you are in) are excellent sources of information. Informational interviews are a good way to practice while not having to actually ask someone for a job. Professionals tend to get a kick out of making an intoduction or passing along industry gossip.

Read Bloomberg.com - its fre. WSJ is subscription only

Join LinkedIn groups. Post answers to comments. Headhunters look for people who are "out there " and assertive in their field, not just applicants.

If Sam offers substantive suggestions on job search or head hunting, pay attention.

I lent my outplacement stuff to my BIL who was RIF'd last year but can get it back to give you specific suggestions,if you want.

Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

Since: Jul 12

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#79794 Feb 6, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, she does have egg on her face, but not for the reasons you contend. When he made that statement, he wasn't making a statement about law:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =E2h8ujX6T0AXX
It is clear to anyone watching that video other than Sam or those with more than 2 brain cells that what he meant was that taxing corporations is really taxing people, because in the end corporations are owned by people. To say you are taxing a corporation and are not taxing people by doing so, is akin to my having to pay property tax on my boat and someone saying they are taxing my boat, not me. To the extent I have less money in my pocket than would otherwise have, but for a tax, means I am being taxed, regardless of how that tax is effected.
Someone, such as Sam, who would make a big fuss about this and in the process distort what he was actually saying has more in common, on an intellectual level with birthers or folks who claim Obama is a Muslim and folks who claim the bible says the anti-christ will be a Muslim (despite Islam not even being a religion at the time the bible was written), IMO. It's dishonest to claim he was saying that corporations are people in the sense she implies.
Democrats love to talk about this stuff (this and who Rush called a sl*t)... it distract from important issues and really gets their highly intelligent base, who lack the intellect to critically think and unbiased ability to question anything that is spewed by their party, all fired up.
She's not a democrat tho. If she is not, it's only in name.
Well then he was just plain wrong unless he was speaking strictly about S Corporations. Even then they are taxed by the percentage ownership and get the corporate deductions (percentage to their share). It's not the same as taxing individuals. If you have a majority share in the corporation, and you work for that corporation, you draw a salary and you are personally taxed and you file your individual tax return. Corporations file a corporate tax return and it is a corporate liability -- the entity -- not the individual's liability.

Now if you file a

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