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#79123
Jan 26, 2013
 
Not exactly, the equal pay takes in more factors. Like length of employment and performance increases.

In a well-run company, even small ones there should be a planned pay scale for every job, including education and previous experience. Most big ones have that. Not to say that females are always equally paid in those also. Unfortunately, this happens quite a bit.

In your first scenario the female should be given raises in time to bring her at least close to the new hire rate, also depending on job performance.
In your second you would have a hard time justifying to the feds if the new hire was a female and the current employee was a male, and the jobs and education, etc. were identical.

It's not all that specific. There's a lot that would be taken into consideration to determine if this was a violation.

The reason these rules went into effect was that there were significant differences in pay for equal jobs. And I do mean equal. There are similar jobs but with differences in duties that would come into play.

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The most recent studies show that when you factor in all so called no discriminatory reason why pay disparities exist, there is a 7% pay difference. The problem is, even that doesn't fully take into account how things play out.

You can have a woman, who worked for 4 years, got prego, went out of the workforce for 5 years, who then decides to join the workforce again and was recently a new hire at a company and she likely isn't going to be making the same as some guy who has worked for four years doing the same job as her , for that company. Feminazi's would say ... But they both have 4 years experience and do the same job. Yet he's making more than her ... That company hates women ... We are persecuted ... The world is out to get us ... Whaaaaaa ... Whaaaaaasaa.

You'll never make them happy. Heck they'd rather have men die in combat just so women can get promoted in the military. No way in the world would I want to serve on the frontline with women in combat. What if you get ambushed and have to engage in hand to hand combat against enemies who are men. Furthermore, the physical standards are lower for women then men. You are going to have soldiers serving on the frontline who can't carry as much gear and ammo ... Can't keep up the pace while being dragged down with 90 pounds of gear, who would get their as$es kicked in the event of hand to hand combat ... And men will die ... Just so some woman can make 4 star general.

If they are so equal, they should form all woman's combat units and send them into say a Vietnam setting and compare the death rates to all men combat units. Anyone who thinks two such units would perform equally in terms of ground covered, enemy kills, and soldier deaths, should have their head examined.

Women can do just about everything a man can do, but not when it comes to combat. Dumb policy to appease dumb femanazis and men will die because of it.

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Furthermore a platoon leader with a man soldier who is too slow on the pace and dragging the whole platoon down can get on the guys as$ and say come on candy as$... pick up the f'ing pace ... chop, chop ... We've got a mission objective to accomplish ... And your candy as$ is slowing us down.

Do that to a woman, who physically just cannot match a mans endurance and pace and she's going to be in tears or worse complaining to superiors that you've created a hostile work environment ... Are always picking on her ... And my gosh called her a candy as$.

When people's sons start coming home in body bags, because of this arrangement ... Things still won't change. That's the price of an all powerful woman's movement ... Who like many liberal causes, knows no reasonable limits.

Next they will probably sue the NFL for not lowering standards just so that we have woman football players ... The argument being if you can't play football as a woman you are at a disadvantage when it comes to being hired as an NFL coach ... And we need to have a completely level playing field.

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Shyte ... Go on a road trip with a woman and see how many bathroom breaks she needs to take, compared to you. I think I'd wanna throw a woman over a cliff if in Afghanistan every couple of hours she was like "excuse me the whole platoon has to stop and wait for me cause ... I gotta go find a bush to tinkle on.
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#79127
Jan 26, 2013
 
Sublime1 wrote:
Shyte ... Go on a road trip with a woman and see how many bathroom breaks she needs to take, compared to you. I think I'd wanna throw a woman over a cliff if in Afghanistan every couple of hours she was like "excuse me the whole platoon has to stop and wait for me cause ... I gotta go find a bush to tinkle on.
Made me think about that NASA enginer who drove from TX to FL to shoot/assault/? her astronaut lover's other girfriend or wife. She wore astronaut diapers that let her go 18 hours without stopping.

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#79128
Jan 26, 2013
 
You guys are making my head hurt. It's Saturday! I've been day drinking mimosas!(Because of Race for the Cure... I don't day drink unless it's for an occasion or if I'm on vacation). And made dinner plans with friends!

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#79129
Jan 26, 2013
 
PEllen wrote:
<quoted text>Made me think about that NASA enginer who drove from TX to FL to shoot/assault/? her astronaut lover's other girfriend or wife. She wore astronaut diapers that let her go 18 hours without stopping.
Maybe you are onto something, P. Maybe we could form a company and get a government contract, lol.

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Jan 26, 2013
 
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You guys are making my head hurt. It's Saturday! I've been day drinking mimosas!(Because of Race for the Cure... I don't day drink unless it's for an occasion or if I'm on vacation). And made dinner plans with friends!
I think my sister's running in that, unless there's some other charity race this weekend.
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#79131
Jan 26, 2013
 
Sublime1 wrote:
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Maybe you are onto something, P. Maybe we could form a company and get a government contract, lol.
Know any good lawyers?
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#79132
Jan 26, 2013
 
j_m_w wrote:
You guys are making my head hurt. It's Saturday! I've been day drinking mimosas!(Because of Race for the Cure... I don't day drink unless it's for an occasion or if I'm on vacation). And made dinner plans with friends!
Wait for tomorrow- they are predicting an ice storm and I am not going out in that.

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As long as women can meet the same standards the men can (ie, agility, stamina, strength- can carry an injured comrade off the battle field,) I see no reason they shouldn't be allowed to fight on the front lines. We already have women in combat roles, pilots, gunners, etc. There are only two problems with them being on the battlefield for weeks, months at a time: that time of the month, and pregnancies. But if a woman wants to stand a post so a man doesn't have to, more power to them.

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PEllen wrote:
<quoted text>Know any good lawyers?
Not any "good" ones! Ha!

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Here's something that pzzed me off this morning. A HOA can hire their own rent-a-cops that can detain drivers and issue tickets, even if the person is not a member of the community. Upheld by the Illinois supreme court, this is a slippery slope that can lead to a whole host of problems. I can't agree with this at all.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-m...

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edogxxx wrote:
As long as women can meet the same standards the men can (ie, agility, stamina, strength- can carry an injured comrade off the battle field,) I see no reason they shouldn't be allowed to fight on the front lines. We already have women in combat roles, pilots, gunners, etc. There are only two problems with them being on the battlefield for weeks, months at a time: that time of the month, and pregnancies. But if a woman wants to stand a post so a man doesn't have to, more power to them.
Even if they can meet "minimum" standards it still doesn't mean they are equal.

Lets say you have 100 men and 100 women, who can do 5 pull ups. Are you telling me that a women who weight 130 pounds on average and can do 5 pull ups are equal in strength to men who on average weight 180 pounds and can do 5 pull ups? Are you telling me each are equally fit for combat? And while you can say not men all weigh the same ... This phenomena is far more pronounced between genders.

What happens if in the field you get into a situation of close combat and if it comes down to hand to hand fighting ... Who do you as a man want to be fighting with on your side ... 5 men who weigh on average 180 pounds and can do 5 pull ups or 5 women who weigh 130 pounds and can do 5 pull ups? You would have to be out of your f'ing mind to put your life in the hands of 5 130 pound women. It's a no brainier.

Even with that issue to the side lets say you have these same two groups of 100. How many of those men out of that 100 can do 25% more than the minimum requirements. How many women of that 100 can do 25% more than the minimum requirements. What about 50% more than the minimum? What about 75%? What about double the minimum. I can guarantee you when you break it down as a percentage you'll have more men who can exceed these minimal thresholds.

Sorry dude, if I'm risking my life or my boys are risking theirs when they become men, I'm not too keen on serving in the front lines with women. It will cost lives ...

It's also not like we have a shortage of men willing to fight. There's no need for it. It's just to appease a few women who care more about moving up the ladder than they care about their fellow soldiers' lives.

Also are they really going to be treated the same? Are they going to carry the same weight? Even if they carry the same weight is that weight the same material or is some of that weight specific to women and their needs, like famine napkins and wetnaps or even diapers ... so women can be sanitary in the field. Sorry, between a woman carrying that shyte and a man carrying ammo and food that may help the entire platoon should shyte go haywire ... I'll take the man. If you are low on food or ammo and she's carrying feminine napkins, wetnaps, and diapers she may as well be carrying rocks.

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Think of it this way, let's let all the women and gays in the military that we can. Then when Revolution II breaks out, those are the people we'll be fighting against. The gays will be throwing their rainbows and the women will be squatting in the bushes menstruating. Should be an easy victory!
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edogxxx wrote:
As long as women can meet the same standards the men can (ie, agility, stamina, strength- can carry an injured comrade off the battle field,) I see no reason they shouldn't be allowed to fight on the front lines. We already have women in combat roles, pilots, gunners, etc. There are only two problems with them being on the battlefield for weeks, months at a time: that time of the month, and pregnancies. But if a woman wants to stand a post so a man doesn't have to, more power to them.
Easy to address: there are pills which suppress mnstration. Declare pregnancy an automatic ineligibility for combat. 25 years ago you peed in a cup and watche whetehr the strip turned pink or blue in what 20 minutes?. Like I said , easy.
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Jan 26, 2013
 
edogxxx wrote:
Here's something that pzzed me off this morning. A HOA can hire their own rent-a-cops that can detain drivers and issue tickets, even if the person is not a member of the community. Upheld by the Illinois supreme court, this is a slippery slope that can lead to a whole host of problems. I can't agree with this at all.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-m...
Don'r believe everything you read in the paper.

The court decision opens with the words "Poris,Plaintiff, a member of the Lake Holiday Property Association...".*

He owed property in te evelopment, had signed the HOA agreement and was speeding within the gated community. I have no sympathy for him nor do I think it is the beginnig of a slippery slope.

To the extent that it might also allow a mall cop to ticket soemone in teh mall parking lot, I also don't have much of a problem with it.

* you can read it yourself by going to the Illinois State Supreme Court website and looking under Opinions, just like I did. Horse's mouth and all that.

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#79140
Jan 26, 2013
 
edogxxx wrote:
Think of it this way, let's let all the women and gays in the military that we can. Then when Revolution II breaks out, those are the people we'll be fighting against. The gays will be throwing their rainbows and the women will be squatting in the bushes menstruating. Should be an easy victory!
Although I do agree with your previous post re women in combat and the HOA cops, you guys sure know how to stretch a rock.
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edogxxx wrote:
Think of it this way, let's let all the women and gays in the military that we can. Then when Revolution II breaks out, those are the people we'll be fighting against. The gays will be throwing their rainbows and the women will be squatting in the bushes menstruating. Should be an easy victory!
Never, never underestimate an opponent.

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PEllen wrote:
<quoted text>Easy to address: there are pills which suppress mnstration. Declare pregnancy an automatic ineligibility for combat. 25 years ago you peed in a cup and watche whetehr the strip turned pink or blue in what 20 minutes?. Like I said , easy.
What if you are out in the field, behind enemy lines and the woman didn't know she was pregnant and suddenly starts having morning sickness.

Once again ... men will be put at risk ... and mission objectives will be compromised.

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