Sam I Am

Knoxville, TN

#78941 Jan 22, 2013
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
So... a guy drove his family in their SUV over a weak part of the ice this weekend and his 9 month old baby died today from being in the water for five minutes.(Driving on the ice of lakes and rivers is very common here.)
Idiot. Sadly, they probably won't prosecute him. "Oh, he's already been punished enough." That may be the opinion of parents, but as a nonparent, I don't think the fact that you accidentally killed your own kid should be your get out of prison free card. Youc an bet that if it were a nonparent responsibble -- a family friend driving everyone, for example -- they'd prosecute, even if only mildly.
I too think the "already been punished enough" is a crock, because then you're trying to evaluate how much someone cares. Some parents care very little what happens to their children, most care very much, but I don't think you can let that enter into the equation when determining how to punish someone. I personally think that putting your child in such a perilous position should be punishable. Whether or not the outcome was intended, the parent failed to take reasonable precautions to make sure it didn't happen. Stupid is not a defense.
Sam I Am

Knoxville, TN

#78942 Jan 22, 2013
Toj wrote:
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She didn't get a chance to fight with edog today so much. That must be it.:D
And just when I thought you were one of the good ones....

“What's it to ya?”

Since: Mar 09

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#78943 Jan 22, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>Ahh...old footage.
Ok. I get that. Yeah, that's dumb and un-necessary. Seems to me it would make things less authentic.
Additionally, you know how many pizza joints would have to paint over the mural on the wall in the dining area if everyone just started weeping at the site of the twin towers?
They could just film it in a movie studio and not even go to NYC at all...

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

#78944 Jan 22, 2013
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
So... a guy drove his family in their SUV over a weak part of the ice this weekend and his 9 month old baby died today from being in the water for five minutes.(Driving on the ice of lakes and rivers is very common here.)
Idiot. Sadly, they probably won't prosecute him. "Oh, he's already been punished enough." That may be the opinion of parents, but as a nonparent, I don't think the fact that you accidentally killed your own kid should be your get out of prison free card. Youc an bet that if it were a nonparent responsibble -- a family friend driving everyone, for example -- they'd prosecute, even if only mildly.
How is he to know the weakness of the ice? Driving on lakes and rivers is common? Is it legal? What defines an "accident?" Typically, aren't most accidents caused by some sort of carelessness by either the perpetrator or the victim? There are many ways an accident can unfold, it doesn't always mean the parents are directly responsible.
And I disagree that a non parent caregiver would be treated any differently.
And sometimes the punishment can be worse than the "crime." Take an established family man and make him a convict and send him to prison. Then his wife and kids, who just lost a child/sibling, now also "lost" their father/husband and have to leave their home and move back with her parents, and once he serves his "mild" term, he can try to rebuild his life as a convicted child killer. Of his own child.
Sound fitting?

Since: Jan 10

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#78945 Jan 22, 2013
People drive where they don't know the facts, like whether it's a lake, or a big swelling in a river (which means the ice will be thinner). This guy drove over an area where locals knew the ice wasn't thick enough, because there's an underwater stream -- a curent.

And the dad had been drinking.

Since: Jan 10

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#78946 Jan 22, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
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I don't know. It's common. Lots of folks do it. It was negligent especially considering a baby was in the car, but it's my understanding (not my area, tho ... So don't quote me on this) that you need to be closer to reckless to be charged with a negligent form of manslaughter.
Yeah, I know, it's a ver tough area of law. how can you treat it objectively? It's not really possible, not without going overboard in the other direction.

Since: Jan 10

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#78947 Jan 22, 2013
And it's not like we can make a law that keeps minors out of cars that are driving across the ice (which people do for shortcuts in winter--but we have people who will do it within sight of open water) -- that would interfere with ice fishing. So there's not really anything they can do to prevent or decrease it, I think.

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me!

#78948 Jan 22, 2013
Once again, sam tries to absolve her own crass behavior by comparing it to someone Else's. I guess in her mind, that makes her behavior ok.

Someday maybe sam will actually apologize or acknowledge that he is wrong, but I aint holding my breath.

“bELieve”

Since: Jun 09

Location hidden

#78949 Jan 22, 2013
Sam I Am wrote:
<quoted text>I'm being nasty? Really? IMSSO (in my self-serving opinion) my posts and the manner in which they (barely) escalated seem quite tame in comparison to some of the aggression and name-calling I see in here on a daily basis. The worst I did was to offer that he was (potentially) being obtuse as his initial response to me seemed to be nit-picky with the intention of inviting consternation, especially since others got what I was saying. If what I said was so bad, then I am certainly glad you did not have to (apparently) witness the sewage Race spewed at me.
What RACE throws at you is "personal" (I throw that in quotes because AFAIK you haven't met IRL). It is way beyond nasty and I don't want to get in the middle of that.

Tonka and I rarely interpret things the same way. He wasn't rude when he responded to your post, but you reacted like he was picking a fight when all he did was comment on your remarks as he understood them. I know he doesn't need me coming to his defense, but I just wanted to say (as I would have earlier if I had been online) that I read it exactly the same way he did.

I have been around here a while, though I don't post much anymore. I don't usually get mixed up in the name calling. This past year has been pretty rough for me and though I do read the board, I don't always have the desire to get involved in the drama :)

Since: Mar 09

West Palm Beach, FL

#78950 Jan 22, 2013
Oooh, action tonight! Keep it going tomorrow when I need to be entertained at work.
;)

“bELieve”

Since: Jun 09

Location hidden

#78951 Jan 22, 2013
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
And it's not like we can make a law that keeps minors out of cars that are driving across the ice (which people do for shortcuts in winter--but we have people who will do it within sight of open water)-- that would interfere with ice fishing. So there's not really anything they can do to prevent or decrease it, I think.
I know that ice fishing is much more a part of the culture there than it is here, but did you hear about the two teenagers in NJ who died last week? The problem is that people aren't paying attention to how cold it is (or isn't).

http://www.dailyrecord.com/article/20130110/N...

“bELieve”

Since: Jun 09

Location hidden

#78952 Jan 22, 2013
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
People drive where they don't know the facts, like whether it's a lake, or a big swelling in a river (which means the ice will be thinner). This guy drove over an area where locals knew the ice wasn't thick enough, because there's an underwater stream -- a curent.

And the dad had been drinking.
If he was drunk with his kids in the car, then throw his a$$ in jail and let him rot.

Since: Mar 09

West Palm Beach, FL

#78953 Jan 22, 2013
Jess in NJ wrote:
<quoted text>What RACE throws at you is "personal" (I throw that in quotes because AFAIK you haven't met IRL). It is way beyond nasty and I don't want to get in the middle of that.

Tonka and I rarely interpret things the same way. He wasn't rude when he responded to your post, but you reacted like he was picking a fight when all he did was comment on your remarks as he understood them. I know he doesn't need me coming to his defense, but I just wanted to say (as I would have earlier if I had been online) that I read it exactly the same way he did.

I have been around here a while, though I don't post much anymore. I don't usually get mixed up in the name calling. This past year has been pretty rough for me and though I do read the board, I don't always have the desire to get involved in the drama :)
Word (regarding the name-calling and drama). My earlier comment was a lame attempt to lighten things up.

I've had a rough few months too and I'm so grateful for the support and perspective I've gotten here. I'd hate to see our community fall apart.

Since: Mar 09

West Palm Beach, FL

#78954 Jan 22, 2013
In other news, A seems to be having doubts about her relationship. I'm embracing reverse psychology.

Also, Jasper bought a Jag today and I thought of Mimi.

“bELieve”

Since: Jun 09

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#78955 Jan 22, 2013
j_m_w wrote:
In other news, A seems to be having doubts about her relationship. I'm embracing reverse psychology.

Also, Jasper bought a Jag today and I thought of Mimi.
Did he buy Mimi's Jag?

“What's it to ya?”

Since: Mar 09

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#78956 Jan 22, 2013
Jess in NJ wrote:
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Did he buy Mimi's Jag?
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No but I wish he would so I could finish paying for the second one already I still owe $2K.

Since: Jul 10

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#78957 Jan 23, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
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How is he to know the weakness of the ice? Driving on lakes and rivers is common?
He definitely should have known the weakness of the ice. He has lived in the area for years, and the place where they went through was a channel that often stays open all winter. I would find it hard to believe that he has ever driven, or seen anyone else driving, over that channel before.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

#78958 Jan 23, 2013

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#78959 Jan 23, 2013
Jess in NJ wrote:
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I know that ice fishing is much more a part of the culture there than it is here, but did you hear about the two teenagers in NJ who died last week? The problem is that people aren't paying attention to how cold it is (or isn't).
http://www.dailyrecord.com/article/20130110/N...
Wow, Just read the article, so sad!

I will cut slack to teenagers -- because they're kids. But here we have adults setting up their fish shacks on thin ice, near open water, etc. Heck, people will be out on the ice fishing in the spring, when it's so warm out, fish houses are falling through thin ice on the same lake.

Since: Jan 10

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#78960 Jan 23, 2013
This morning itw as a whopping 8 degrees out. And while mydefroster worked fine, no heat came out for my feet the entire ride. My feet were frozen when I got to work.

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