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Jess in NJ wrote:
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Why are you being so nasty? Your first post was confusing. If you had said that they were omitting any references to the twin towers, I would have understood what you meant. Instead you used the word scrubbed, which I took the same way Tonka did.
Don't get so defensive just because your post needed a follow up for clarification.
She didn't get a chance to fight with edog today so much. That must be it.:D

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Sammies on everyone's sheit list today!

Warms my heart when she proves herself to be a spiteful self centered beyotch.

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Jan 22, 2013
 
<sam sticks fingers in her ears>
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Jess in NJ wrote:
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Why are you being so nasty? Your first post was confusing. If you had said that they were omitting any references to the twin towers, I would have understood what you meant. Instead you used the word scrubbed, which I took the same way Tonka did.
Don't get so defensive just because your post needed a follow up for clarification.

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Jan 22, 2013
 
So... a guy drove his family in their SUV over a weak part of the ice this weekend and his 9 month old baby died today from being in the water for five minutes.(Driving on the ice of lakes and rivers is very common here.)

Idiot. Sadly, they probably won't prosecute him. "Oh, he's already been punished enough." That may be the opinion of parents, but as a nonparent, I don't think the fact that you accidentally killed your own kid should be your get out of prison free card. Youc an bet that if it were a nonparent responsibble -- a family friend driving everyone, for example -- they'd prosecute, even if only mildly.

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Even for Sam, i must say i don't like it very much when everyone piles on someone. If I knew everyone was gonna pile on, I would have bit my tongue.

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Jan 22, 2013
 
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
So... a guy drove his family in their SUV over a weak part of the ice this weekend and his 9 month old baby died today from being in the water for five minutes.(Driving on the ice of lakes and rivers is very common here.)

Idiot. Sadly, they probably won't prosecute him. "Oh, he's already been punished enough." That may be the opinion of parents, but as a nonparent, I don't think the fact that you accidentally killed your own kid should be your get out of prison free card. Youc an bet that if it were a nonparent responsibble -- a family friend driving everyone, for example -- they'd prosecute, even if only mildly.
I don't know. It's common. Lots of folks do it. It was negligent especially considering a baby was in the car, but it's my understanding (not my area, tho ... So don't quote me on this) that you need to be closer to reckless to be charged with a negligent form of manslaughter.
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Jess in NJ wrote:
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Why are you being so nasty? Your first post was confusing. If you had said that they were omitting any references to the twin towers, I would have understood what you meant. Instead you used the word scrubbed, which I took the same way Tonka did.
Don't get so defensive just because your post needed a follow up for clarification.
I'm being nasty? Really? IMSSO (in my self-serving opinion) my posts and the manner in which they (barely) escalated seem quite tame in comparison to some of the aggression and name-calling I see in here on a daily basis. The worst I did was to offer that he was (potentially) being obtuse as his initial response to me seemed to be nit-picky with the intention of inviting consternation, especially since others got what I was saying. If what I said was so bad, then I am certainly glad you did not have to (apparently) witness the sewage Race spewed at me.
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RedheadwGlasses wrote:
So... a guy drove his family in their SUV over a weak part of the ice this weekend and his 9 month old baby died today from being in the water for five minutes.(Driving on the ice of lakes and rivers is very common here.)
Idiot. Sadly, they probably won't prosecute him. "Oh, he's already been punished enough." That may be the opinion of parents, but as a nonparent, I don't think the fact that you accidentally killed your own kid should be your get out of prison free card. Youc an bet that if it were a nonparent responsibble -- a family friend driving everyone, for example -- they'd prosecute, even if only mildly.
I too think the "already been punished enough" is a crock, because then you're trying to evaluate how much someone cares. Some parents care very little what happens to their children, most care very much, but I don't think you can let that enter into the equation when determining how to punish someone. I personally think that putting your child in such a perilous position should be punishable. Whether or not the outcome was intended, the parent failed to take reasonable precautions to make sure it didn't happen. Stupid is not a defense.
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Toj wrote:
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She didn't get a chance to fight with edog today so much. That must be it.:D
And just when I thought you were one of the good ones....

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Jan 22, 2013
 
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<quoted text>Ahh...old footage.
Ok. I get that. Yeah, that's dumb and un-necessary. Seems to me it would make things less authentic.
Additionally, you know how many pizza joints would have to paint over the mural on the wall in the dining area if everyone just started weeping at the site of the twin towers?
They could just film it in a movie studio and not even go to NYC at all...

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RedheadwGlasses wrote:
So... a guy drove his family in their SUV over a weak part of the ice this weekend and his 9 month old baby died today from being in the water for five minutes.(Driving on the ice of lakes and rivers is very common here.)
Idiot. Sadly, they probably won't prosecute him. "Oh, he's already been punished enough." That may be the opinion of parents, but as a nonparent, I don't think the fact that you accidentally killed your own kid should be your get out of prison free card. Youc an bet that if it were a nonparent responsibble -- a family friend driving everyone, for example -- they'd prosecute, even if only mildly.
How is he to know the weakness of the ice? Driving on lakes and rivers is common? Is it legal? What defines an "accident?" Typically, aren't most accidents caused by some sort of carelessness by either the perpetrator or the victim? There are many ways an accident can unfold, it doesn't always mean the parents are directly responsible.
And I disagree that a non parent caregiver would be treated any differently.
And sometimes the punishment can be worse than the "crime." Take an established family man and make him a convict and send him to prison. Then his wife and kids, who just lost a child/sibling, now also "lost" their father/husband and have to leave their home and move back with her parents, and once he serves his "mild" term, he can try to rebuild his life as a convicted child killer. Of his own child.
Sound fitting?

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People drive where they don't know the facts, like whether it's a lake, or a big swelling in a river (which means the ice will be thinner). This guy drove over an area where locals knew the ice wasn't thick enough, because there's an underwater stream -- a curent.

And the dad had been drinking.

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Sublime1 wrote:
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I don't know. It's common. Lots of folks do it. It was negligent especially considering a baby was in the car, but it's my understanding (not my area, tho ... So don't quote me on this) that you need to be closer to reckless to be charged with a negligent form of manslaughter.
Yeah, I know, it's a ver tough area of law. how can you treat it objectively? It's not really possible, not without going overboard in the other direction.

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Jan 22, 2013
 
And it's not like we can make a law that keeps minors out of cars that are driving across the ice (which people do for shortcuts in winter--but we have people who will do it within sight of open water) -- that would interfere with ice fishing. So there's not really anything they can do to prevent or decrease it, I think.

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Once again, sam tries to absolve her own crass behavior by comparing it to someone Else's. I guess in her mind, that makes her behavior ok.

Someday maybe sam will actually apologize or acknowledge that he is wrong, but I aint holding my breath.

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Sam I Am wrote:
<quoted text>I'm being nasty? Really? IMSSO (in my self-serving opinion) my posts and the manner in which they (barely) escalated seem quite tame in comparison to some of the aggression and name-calling I see in here on a daily basis. The worst I did was to offer that he was (potentially) being obtuse as his initial response to me seemed to be nit-picky with the intention of inviting consternation, especially since others got what I was saying. If what I said was so bad, then I am certainly glad you did not have to (apparently) witness the sewage Race spewed at me.
What RACE throws at you is "personal" (I throw that in quotes because AFAIK you haven't met IRL). It is way beyond nasty and I don't want to get in the middle of that.

Tonka and I rarely interpret things the same way. He wasn't rude when he responded to your post, but you reacted like he was picking a fight when all he did was comment on your remarks as he understood them. I know he doesn't need me coming to his defense, but I just wanted to say (as I would have earlier if I had been online) that I read it exactly the same way he did.

I have been around here a while, though I don't post much anymore. I don't usually get mixed up in the name calling. This past year has been pretty rough for me and though I do read the board, I don't always have the desire to get involved in the drama :)

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Jan 22, 2013
 
Oooh, action tonight! Keep it going tomorrow when I need to be entertained at work.
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RedheadwGlasses wrote:
And it's not like we can make a law that keeps minors out of cars that are driving across the ice (which people do for shortcuts in winter--but we have people who will do it within sight of open water)-- that would interfere with ice fishing. So there's not really anything they can do to prevent or decrease it, I think.
I know that ice fishing is much more a part of the culture there than it is here, but did you hear about the two teenagers in NJ who died last week? The problem is that people aren't paying attention to how cold it is (or isn't).

http://www.dailyrecord.com/article/20130110/N...

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RedheadwGlasses wrote:
People drive where they don't know the facts, like whether it's a lake, or a big swelling in a river (which means the ice will be thinner). This guy drove over an area where locals knew the ice wasn't thick enough, because there's an underwater stream -- a curent.

And the dad had been drinking.
If he was drunk with his kids in the car, then throw his a$$ in jail and let him rot.

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Jess in NJ wrote:
<quoted text>What RACE throws at you is "personal" (I throw that in quotes because AFAIK you haven't met IRL). It is way beyond nasty and I don't want to get in the middle of that.

Tonka and I rarely interpret things the same way. He wasn't rude when he responded to your post, but you reacted like he was picking a fight when all he did was comment on your remarks as he understood them. I know he doesn't need me coming to his defense, but I just wanted to say (as I would have earlier if I had been online) that I read it exactly the same way he did.

I have been around here a while, though I don't post much anymore. I don't usually get mixed up in the name calling. This past year has been pretty rough for me and though I do read the board, I don't always have the desire to get involved in the drama :)
Word (regarding the name-calling and drama). My earlier comment was a lame attempt to lighten things up.

I've had a rough few months too and I'm so grateful for the support and perspective I've gotten here. I'd hate to see our community fall apart.

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