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dahgts

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#78835
Jan 19, 2013
 
Last night I copied & pasted Matilda's Lance quote from yesterday on a Facebook thread that was discussing him (without naming the source, of course). Fail on my part. Geez, people are touchy!

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Jan 19, 2013
 
Yannow, we have to do something for the crazies: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/19/nyc-subw...

I don't know what but it there has to be a way to get those type of people institutionalized, on medication and functioning. With the laws now they have to do something awful (like this) to get any treatment.

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Jan 19, 2013
 
I love all this science stuff: http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/white-veins-...

How cool is it that we can explore that.

Okay -- end of this geek post.

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#78838
Jan 19, 2013
 
Toj wrote:
Yannow, we have to do something for the crazies: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/19/nyc-subw...
I don't know what but it there has to be a way to get those type of people institutionalized, on medication and functioning. With the laws now they have to do something awful (like this) to get any treatment.
Obviously, the only sensible thing to do is ban subway trains.

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Toj wrote:
I love all this science stuff: http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/white-veins-...
How cool is it that we can explore that.
Okay -- end of this geek post.
Yay. We may have found evidence that water once might have existed on a far away, desolate, frozen desert planet..

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j_m_w wrote:
Last night I copied & pasted Matilda's Lance quote from yesterday on a Facebook thread that was discussing him (without naming the source, of course). Fail on my part. Geez, people are touchy!
Yesss!

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Toj wrote:
Yannow, we have to do something for the crazies: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/19/nyc-subw...

I don't know what but it there has to be a way to get those type of people institutionalized, on medication and functioning. With the laws now they have to do something awful (like this) to get any treatment.
You can't force people to take medication against their will. There are days that I feel there should be forced institutionalization, but then I worry about who would make that determination? Do you have to hurt someone before "they" lock you up? What about the eccentric people who will never actually harm another person, but make other people nervous because they are different? Can we lock people up because of crimes they may commit?

There have been several cases of people being pushes in front of subways recently. One woman in Philly survived, the two people in NYC died.

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Jess in NJ wrote:
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You can't force people to take medication against their will. There are days that I feel there should be forced institutionalization, but then I worry about who would make that determination? Do you have to hurt someone before "they" lock you up? What about the eccentric people who will never actually harm another person, but make other people nervous because they are different? Can we lock people up because of crimes they may commit?
There have been several cases of people being pushes in front of subways recently. One woman in Philly survived, the two people in NYC died.
It's like this now because in the past people were corrupt. I mean if you wanted to get someone "out of the way" it really didn't take much effort. Perfectly healthy people could be institutionalized for life on the say so of an angry spouse, greedy kid, whatever. Now...we over compensate in the other direction.

I do think that people can be compelled to take anti-psychotic meds but it takes a court order, so there's a process. It might depend on teh particular state law though. In Cali it works like that (or did many years...20...ago) because they did that to my sister when she was "ill." FTR she wasn't "ill" she was angry, which again, there you go, someone force fed anti-psych meds who didn't need them. <shrug>

Here in WA it's almost impossible for the parent of a kid over age 15 to get anything done with OUT a court order. I can't remember why they made that particular law, but IIRC it had something to do with a parent trying to get their under-18 year old committed against her will when there was no reason...abuse of "power." <shrug again>

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Jan 19, 2013
 
In IL there is a Sexually Dangerous Person law. If you are convicted of a crime, not necessarily as ex crime I believe, the state can petition to have usu committed civilly, i.e., institutionalized. There is a pretty specific and rigorous procedure and the guys who are committed almost always appeal(which is when you can read the details), but they are kept locked up. They use psych tests and actuarial predictions.

I would like to see something similar for non-sex offenders to get some predictive incarceration.

There are ways around the old abuses.

It comes down to a balancing of the rights of the mentally ill to be in the least restrictive environment and the rights of the rest of society to be protected from a predictable harm.

It would not have stopped Adam Lanza because so far as anyone has said thus far, he was not on any professional's radar, but it might have stopped the kid in Tucson and the one in Aurora CO

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Jan 19, 2013
 
What does tsti stand for?

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Jan 19, 2013
 
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What does tsti stand for?
Texas State Technical Institute
Temple Sharey Tefilo-Israel
Tatung System Technologies, Inc
Total Safety Task Instruction
Too Small To Investigate
Texas State Traffic Institute
Teaching Science and Technology, Inc

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Jan 19, 2013
 
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
What does tsti stand for?
Too small to investigate?

Don't bother me with little things

You are making a mountain out of a molehill

I don't concern myself with trifles, etc

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Jan 19, 2013
 
PEllen wrote:
In IL there is a Sexually Dangerous Person law. If you are convicted of a crime, not necessarily as ex crime I believe, the state can petition to have usu committed civilly, i.e., institutionalized. There is a pretty specific and rigorous procedure and the guys who are committed almost always appeal(which is when you can read the details), but they are kept locked up. They use psych tests and actuarial predictions.
I would like to see something similar for non-sex offenders to get some predictive incarceration.
There are ways around the old abuses.
It comes down to a balancing of the rights of the mentally ill to be in the least restrictive environment and the rights of the rest of society to be protected from a predictable harm.
It would not have stopped Adam Lanza because so far as anyone has said thus far, he was not on any professional's radar, but it might have stopped the kid in Tucson and the one in Aurora CO
They have a law here where they can keep sex predators locked up indefinitely. Its a psych thing too but I don't know how they decide who is mentally ill/likely to re-offend or what have you. I'm not entirely sure how it works since they are always sending out sex offender release notifications; flyers telling the public, who, where, offense level, etc., so obviously they are letting them out. <shrug>

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Jan 19, 2013
 
Oh, I remember now (sorry, you should have put it into context). It's Sam's way of telling me I'm too sexy to insult.

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Jan 19, 2013
 
Tonka used it in another thread and I saw it in another thread as well. Just curious.

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Amazing! I've spent two evenings in a row with A and her boyfriend called a total of ZERO times collectively. I want to check the skies for pigs.

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Jan 19, 2013
 
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
Tonka used it in another thread and I saw it in another thread as well. Just curious.
IIRC it's too stupid to insult.
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dahgts wrote:
Thanks Hgts girl.

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