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Since: Mar 09

West Palm Beach, FL

#78496 Jan 12, 2013
Ugh, I just saw the guy I blew off two weeks ago in the lobby of my building. This was the night my friend went home with his friend, who lives here. Now I see how one bad night can haunt a person - and I didn't even do anything!

Thank goodness I didn't have my dogs with me, they're all about going up to people to say hi. I was by myself and he was talking to the front desk guy so I'm pretty sure I walked by unnoticed.

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me!

#78497 Jan 12, 2013
But really my point is that regular old civilians are just as capable of proper weapons handling, use, and saftey as any leo or service member, active or otherwise.

To suggest otherwise is nonsense.

squishymama wrote:
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Retired service people are not just regular old civilians, which is what I said.
But really my point was more for edog and his attempt to provoke Sam.

“The two baby belly, please!”

Since: Sep 09

Evanston IL

#78498 Jan 12, 2013
RACE wrote:
But really my point is that regular old civilians are just as capable of proper weapons handling, use, and saftey as any leo or service member, active or otherwise.
To suggest otherwise is nonsense.
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I don't think I said otherwise, but I'm sick and not tracking very well.

How do you propose we make sure everyone gets that training?

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me!

#78499 Jan 12, 2013
Mandatory military service for all citizens, just like the Israelis.
Unless of course you think its a violation of someones rights to be asked to serve in the defense of their country.

How about firearm safety is taught in schools? I had to take music class even though I knew I would never play in instrument.

squishymama wrote:
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I don't think I said otherwise, but I'm sick and not tracking very well.
How do you propose we make sure everyone gets that training?

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me!

#78500 Jan 12, 2013
PS, hope you feel better squishy!

“The two baby belly, please!”

Since: Sep 09

Evanston IL

#78501 Jan 12, 2013
RACE wrote:
Mandatory military service for all citizens, just like the Israelis.
Unless of course you think its a violation of someones rights to be asked to serve in the defense of their country.
How about firearm safety is taught in schools? I had to take music class even though I knew I would never play in instrument.
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I approve of both those ideas.

Make it so.

“The two baby belly, please!”

Since: Sep 09

Evanston IL

#78502 Jan 12, 2013
RACE wrote:
PS, hope you feel better squishy!
Yeah, so do I.

Thanks for the well wishes.

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me!

#78503 Jan 12, 2013
See, this is why you are a hottie.
squishymama wrote:
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I approve of both those ideas.
Make it so.

Toj

“Equality”

Since: Jul 12

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#78504 Jan 12, 2013
squishymama wrote:
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I don't think I said otherwise, but I'm sick and not tracking very well.
How do you propose we make sure everyone gets that training?
I saw one of those talk show that someone had a really great idea on at least the type of assault weapons that aren't used for hunting nor home security (IRL), for people who like to shoot them for sport.

You can have clubs and you are allowed to shoot them at those gun clubs but they are kept there under lock and key. Accounting for. I thought that was a good idea or at least someone thinking of a way to have various guns that people may like so you don't outlaw but yet control.

It was an avid gun owner that said this. That is the type of thinking, outside the box, that I think people need to be thinking of instead of purely "you can't have any of my guns".

But I thought people on here wanted the gun talk to subside -- so sorry for keeping it going. ;)

Toj

“Equality”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#78505 Jan 12, 2013
RACE wrote:
Mandatory military service for all citizens, just like the Israelis.
Unless of course you think its a violation of someones rights to be asked to serve in the defense of their country.
How about firearm safety is taught in schools? I had to take music class even though I knew I would never play in instrument.
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For various reasons not everyone can serve in the military. It's very easy to put down someone who doesn't serve in the miltary but there are various reasons why people cannot. From medical conditions to having elders or children to care for and lots of things in between.

Firearm safety in schools? Right.(sarcasm) Although I could see a firearm safety school that you have to attend if you want to be a gun owner in order to get your FOID card.

Yes, the bad guys would side step this and shoot off guns without FOID cards. You have appropriate punishments for those type of actions.

Toj

“Equality”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#78506 Jan 12, 2013
squishymama wrote:
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I approve of both those ideas.
Make it so.
So, let's say someone cannot serve in the military b/c of some medical condition or personal situation that has nothing to do with hand-eye coordination nor eyesight. I think it would be unfair for them not to be able to own a gun if they so choose and do all the things that a gun owner needs to do. Yep, I said that. Unfair. There are many reasons why we do not have a draft and I think it would be a huge, huge mistake for the country to go that way.

My hats off to the men and women who serve, but not everyone is fit or can do so for many reasons. Does NOT make them less patriotic.

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me!

#78507 Jan 12, 2013
Gee, how come the Israelis dont have these problems?
Toj wrote:
<quoted text> For various reasons not everyone can serve in the military. It's very easy to put down someone who doesn't serve in the miltary but there are various reasons why people cannot. From medical conditions to having elders or children to care for and lots of things in between.
Why (sarcasm) what is wrong with teaching firearm safety is school? What is your objection to it?
Toj wrote:
<quoted text> Firearm safety in schools? Right.(sarcasm)
The bad guys already skirt the law, and there are already punishments in place for them, so your foid idea is usless and serves only to harass me and other law abiding citizens.
Toj wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, the bad guys would side step this and shoot off guns without FOID cards. You have appropriate punishments for those type of actions.
Bad guys Shoot off guns??? What a simplistic attitude, they dont just shoot them off honey, they kill people with them. What color is the sky in your world?

“The two baby belly, please!”

Since: Sep 09

Evanston IL

#78508 Jan 12, 2013
Toj wrote:
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So, let's say someone cannot serve in the military b/c of some medical condition or personal situation that has nothing to do with hand-eye coordination nor eyesight. I think it would be unfair for them not to be able to own a gun if they so choose and do all the things that a gun owner needs to do. Yep, I said that. Unfair. There are many reasons why we do not have a draft and I think it would be a huge, huge mistake for the country to go that way.
My hats off to the men and women who serve, but not everyone is fit or can do so for many reasons. Does NOT make them less patriotic.
There are other ways of serving your country; teaching, social work, nursing. I'm too feverish to make a cogent argument, but I think that in general we take this country for granted.

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me!

#78509 Jan 12, 2013
Just because someone is fat and lazy does not mean they cannot serve in the military. That is a cop out. The military has virtually every type of job the private sector does, from ditch digging to aircraft pilot, and many more that the private sector does not. The only thing the military does not offer is welfare.

A person in a wheelchair should be able to serve their country in some capacity, not in the trenches, but in a support position.

The only people who should not be allowed to serve are the same group that are not allowed to have guns anyway, felons and crazies.
Toj wrote:
<quoted text>
So, let's say someone cannot serve in the military b/c of some medical condition or personal situation that has nothing to do with hand-eye coordination nor eyesight. I think it would be unfair for them not to be able to own a gun if they so choose and do all the things that a gun owner needs to do. Yep, I said that. Unfair. There are many reasons why we do not have a draft and I think it would be a huge, huge mistake for the country to go that way.
My hats off to the men and women who serve, but not everyone is fit or can do so for many reasons. Does NOT make them less patriotic.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

#78510 Jan 12, 2013
Toj wrote:
Although I could see a firearm safety school that you have to attend if you want to be a gun owner in order to get your FOID card.
Illinois is the only state that requires a FOID card. And for a conceal carry permit, you must take a gun safety course and practice in a shooting range.

And there are already a plethora of gun laws on the books and that isn't much of a deterrent to criminals. More laws are not the answer, and only infringe on the rights of law abiding citizens.

And Race, many people have physical limitations, like flat feet, diabetes, asthma, and could not endure basic training.

Toj

“Equality”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#78511 Jan 12, 2013
RACE wrote:
Just because someone is fat and lazy does not mean they cannot serve in the military. That is a cop out. The military has virtually every type of job the private sector does, from ditch digging to aircraft pilot, and many more that the private sector does not. The only thing the military does not offer is welfare.
A person in a wheelchair should be able to serve their country in some capacity, not in the trenches, but in a support position.
The only people who should not be allowed to serve are the same group that are not allowed to have guns anyway, felons and crazies.
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You said that you would advocate everyone would have to serve in the military
Are you advocating now that those standards to enter into the military should be lowered?
In order to stay in the military, you get tested physically (and probably emotionally -- but I don't know if you do get psychologically tested twice a year).
So, are you are in the military in order to keep your guns do you need to still keeps those standards?
Also, what do you do about the people who cannot join who have others to care for? Are they not allowed to also own a gun? Is that what you are saying?
It sounds all nice to waive the patriotic flag and to dis people who have weight issues (I personally do not but a lot of people do), but these are real issues.
Who pays to train people in the miltary? If you have everyone serve, how do you do pay for it?
I don't see it workable.
So anyone with a big fat beer belly who could not run at full speed for four blocks couldn't have a gun. Is that what you are saying?

Toj

“Equality”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#78512 Jan 12, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
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Illinois is the only state that requires a FOID card. And for a conceal carry permit, you must take a gun safety course and practice in a shooting range.
And there are already a plethora of gun laws on the books and that isn't much of a deterrent to criminals. More laws are not the answer, and only infringe on the rights of law abiding citizens.
And Race, many people have physical limitations, like flat feet, diabetes, asthma, and could not endure basic training.
That and others to care for -- I agree on why there are limitations. I really think it would be unfair to those people not to be included in gun ownership if you have certain laws.

I think we're talking about if the laws would be changed.

Illinois is the only one that makes you get a FOID card? If true, that should be one of the things changed right there.

Toj

“Equality”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#78513 Jan 12, 2013
squishymama wrote:
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There are other ways of serving your country; teaching, social work, nursing. I'm too feverish to make a cogent argument, but I think that in general we take this country for granted.
I don't take my country for granted yet I have no plans to join the military. People who do not join the military are not necessarily unpatriotic. There are many reasons why people do not join the military.

Once again, you want to lower the standards of who joins the military just so people get proper gun training.

As for serving your country, you don't have to be in the miiltary to do so. There are many charitable organizations who serve the people of this country with pride and honor that are not part of the military.

Toj

“Equality”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#78514 Jan 12, 2013
Squishy -- There should be a question mark at the end of my second paragraph to you -- it wasn't a statement but a question.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

#78515 Jan 12, 2013
Toj wrote:
Illinois is the only one that makes you get a FOID card? If true, that should be one of the things changed right there.
I agree. Illinois should be forced to do away with that law.

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