Since: Jan 10

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#77479 Dec 20, 2012
I just realized... my coworker is a fiscal liberal but a social conservative. I think that's the rarest of the four possible combinations of those aspects.
PEllen

Chicago, IL

#77480 Dec 20, 2012
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
I read online a post that said something like, "When we're talking about new gun laws/restrictions, a good litmus test should be,'would this law have prevented what happened at that school?'"
Interesting way to think about it.
No law, no restriction no rule, not even Big Brother can prevent a person who is intelligent and focuse from getting a weapon and doing violence. Laws are on paper and bad guys and crazies don't pay attention. You need only look for the the guys who violate protection orders, like the Colorado man who got out of jail for domestic violence, got a gun and shot the girlfriend and 2 others before killing himself. That was Monday. Restrictions won't work.
The weapon must be actually unavailable. You don't read about homicides by bazooka because there aren't many around.

An equally unpopular view would be to revisit Least Restrictive Environment rules for mentally ill. We as a society used to get the crazies off the street- there were abuses and now they are out getting guns and shooting people.

The news websites are noting the memorials for 26 people, 20 kids and 6 teachers. Noticably absent from the memorials is Nancy Lanza who, knowing just how unbalanced her son was, taught him to shoot.

“No. 1 Stunna”

Since: Aug 08

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#77481 Dec 20, 2012
squishymama wrote:
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I understand perfectly. What I'm not seeing is any tyranny by the government. I know, I know, you have to be prepared just in case...
What I am seeing is a whole country becoming scared of their neighbors because one never knows when your neighbor is going to start shooting.
I'm seeing our schools becoming jails. I'm seeing people afraid to confront a stranger on the street for bad behavior because they might have a gun.(This, btw, did really happen to a friend of mine. He told some guy to put his cheetos wrapper in the garbage instead of the street; dude put a gun in his face and said "Make me.")
I'm just a mom that wants her kids to be safe from this kind of BS.
Iím not scared of my neighbors, and I still believe in the decency of the vast majority of folks.

I wouldnít mind at all if our schools were more secure. I donít look at that as being a jail. I look at that as being a very soft target, and if someone wants to hurt us, to our nationís bone, itís probably one of the best ways to do so. I havenít felt this bad about a national tragedy since 9-11, myself. I donít know why anyone can just walk into my kidsí school.

IN terms of the litter bug Ö do you really think a guy that unstable is going to respect gun laws? Chicago has had the most strict gun laws in the nation for years ... the only thing that has led to is the criminals being well armed and law abiding citizens not being armed.

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me!

#77482 Dec 20, 2012
No, lets not asshat! How about you just admit that your trying to run a script. Its time for you do stop doing that thing that I find so very annoying about you, or are you unwilling to play by your own rules?
Sam I Am wrote:
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Ahh, the ol' Mutt backtrack. Sadly, you don't do it as well as he does. But then again, he's got a little more practice.
So let's go to the next step. What reasonable purpose is there for ordinary citizens to have assault weapons? Why aren't handguns and rifles enough? Are you going hunting with an AK? Do you keep an AK in the nightstand by your bed for home safety? Do AKs fit in the conceal carry parameters?

“The two baby belly, please!”

Since: Sep 09

Evanston IL

#77483 Dec 20, 2012
Sublime1 wrote:
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Iím not scared of my neighbors, and I still believe in the decency of the vast majority of folks.
I wouldnít mind at all if our schools were more secure. I donít look at that as being a jail. I look at that as being a very soft target, and if someone wants to hurt us, to our nationís bone, itís probably one of the best ways to do so. I havenít felt this bad about a national tragedy since 9-11, myself. I donít know why anyone can just walk into my kidsí school.
IN terms of the litter bug Ö do you really think a guy that unstable is going to respect gun laws? Chicago has had the most strict gun laws in the nation for years ... the only thing that has led to is the criminals being well armed and law abiding citizens not being armed.
I wish I could find the piece I heard on NPR the other day (I did look, btw) where they were talking about Switzerland. Every able-bodied man is part of their militia and is required to keep a gun, ready to use, in their house. Yet there is little violence there, so it must have something to do with their culture. The professor interviewed had some interesting things to say, which I can't remember now since I heard it with one ear while I was working.

So I guess I'm trying to say that there is something in our culture that fosters violence and lack of respect for human life. And that's something that can't be legislated.

Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

Since: Jul 12

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#77484 Dec 20, 2012
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
I read online a post that said something like, "When we're talking about new gun laws/restrictions, a good litmus test should be,'would this law have prevented what happened at that school?'"
Interesting way to think about it.
Well, that could be one thought. I think a better litmus test would be -- does this make gun ownership safer for the general population (for both those that own guns and those that do not).

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me!

#77485 Dec 20, 2012
I texted a girl I see occasionally, I said that since the world might end tomorrow, we should spend the night together.

She texted back....It's already tomorrow in Australia and the world is still here.

On to the next girl in the Rolodex...

Since: Mar 09

Miami, FL

#77486 Dec 20, 2012
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
I just realized... my coworker is a fiscal liberal but a social conservative. I think that's the rarest of the four possible combinations of those aspects.
That's what A's asshat ex-boyfriend is. I thought it was strange too, I'd never known anyone with that combo of beliefs before.

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me!

#77487 Dec 20, 2012
Honest people owning guns is no threat to anybody but a criminal.
How can you think any other way? What is "safer"? Its just a word you are throwing around that has no meaning. Guns are dangerous, so are arrows and chainsaws, but handled properly, they are "safe".

Toj wrote:
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Well, that could be one thought. I think a better litmus test would be -- does this make gun ownership safer for the general population (for both those that own guns and those that do not).

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me!

#77488 Dec 20, 2012
Unless that someone busts into your house and wants to harm your family that is...
squishymama wrote:
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I'm sorry, I just feel like if you're going to kill someone, it shouldn't be so f*cking easy.

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me!

#77489 Dec 20, 2012
And can you think of a single law that could be drawn up that would do that?

To me, that is just more warm fuzzy legislation.
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
I read online a post that said something like, "When we're talking about new gun laws/restrictions, a good litmus test should be,'would this law have prevented what happened at that school?'"
Interesting way to think about it.
PEllen

Chicago, IL

#77490 Dec 20, 2012
You weren't paying attention this morning, were you?

A famous Viking explorer returned home from a pillaging voyage and found his name missing from the town register. His wife insisted on complaining to Erik HeadCounterrson , the local civic official, who apologized profusely saying, "I must have taken Leif off my census."

(Ain't it the truth?)
PEllen

Chicago, IL

#77491 Dec 20, 2012
RACE wrote:
I texted a girl I see occasionally, I said that since the world might end tomorrow, we should spend the night together.
She texted back....It's already tomorrow in Australia and the world is still here.
On to the next girl in the Rolodex...
What is thing you call Rolodex?

“The two baby belly, please!”

Since: Sep 09

Evanston IL

#77492 Dec 20, 2012
Just for you, PEllen.

There were two hitmen, Artie and Dominick, that had worked together for years. And every day, Dominick would complain about his wife. Finally, Artie got sick of hearing the b!tching and offered to take care of Dominick's wife for $1, since they were such good friends and all.

The next day, Dominick came in with his wife's itinerary for the day and a key to his house. While Dominick's wife was out at the grocery store, Artie let himself into the house and hid in the closet. When Dominick's wife got home, Artie jumped out of the closet and chocked her. He looked up to see the cleaning lady watching him in horror. Artie chased her around the house and finally caught her and chocked her near the front door. He looked up to see the mailman peeking in the window and he'd seen the whole thing. So Artie chases the mailman down the driveway, catches him and chokes him. Just then, a police car comes down the street and Artie is arrested.

The headline in the paper the next day read "Artie Chokes 3 for $1 at Dominick's."

(For those of you not in the greater chicagoland area, Dominick's is a grocery store.)

Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

Since: Jul 12

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#77493 Dec 20, 2012
RACE wrote:
Honest people owning guns is no threat to anybody but a criminal.
How can you think any other way? What is "safer"? Its just a word you are throwing around that has no meaning. Guns are dangerous, so are arrows and chainsaws, but handled properly, they are "safe".
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No it's not. Safer is SAFETY MECHANISMS. Safer is TRAINING. Safer is limiting the number of mentally unbalanced people getting their hands on them or going without treatment to reduce the risk.

There's a long list of what you can do to be safer.

Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#77494 Dec 20, 2012
RACE wrote:
And can you think of a single law that could be drawn up that would do that?
To me, that is just more warm fuzzy legislation.
<quoted text>
Warm fuzzy legislation? You can't imagine any better mental health programs and/or legislation?

You can't fathom a broken window at a school or a breach of a metal detector would automatically summon the police?

There's more than just this incidence that we should be thinking about.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

#77495 Dec 20, 2012
squishymama wrote:
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If the government turns into a dictorship, your one little gun, no matter how many bullets it shoots at one time, ain't gonna help much. They will have more.
That's kind of my point. The government has big, powerful guns, so to should it's citizens. The founding fathers who crafted our constitution came from an oppressive and tyrannical government. They made very clear that a free America will never allow that to happen again.
squishymama wrote:
I'm sorry, I just feel like if you're going to kill someone, it shouldn't be so f*cking easy.


Many people are strangled to death by bare hands. Many are stabbed. It's unfortunate but humans are easy to kill. Banning firearms will do nothing to solve this problem.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

#77496 Dec 20, 2012
Toj wrote:
There's a long list of what you can do to be safer.
And none of them include gun bans. You said it yourself, limiting WHO should be able to access a gun would be more beneficial to stopping gun violence than just banning guns for everyone.

We should not let a few screwballs who've done damage with firearms ruin it for the rest of us. You're the same people who claim we shouldn't fear Islam because of a few extremists. I urge you to use that same logic when it comes to gun control.

I don't really want to keep this debate going because it's just a round and around argument and views on either side won't change. But it sure beats hearing lame jokes!
(Sqishy, I first heard that joke at church camp when I was 14. The camp counselor was a minister named Art! The joke was told by his assistant.)

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

#77497 Dec 20, 2012
Toj wrote:
You can't fathom a broken window at a school or a breach of a metal detector would automatically summon the police?
No, actually.

Are you familiar with how metal detectors work? Should they be connected to the local police command center who will send a team of officers if someone comes through with a large belt buckle? Should all windows have infrared laser devices that will also notify police of a a breach?

Since: Jun 09

Location hidden

#77498 Dec 20, 2012
squishymama wrote:
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I wish I could find the piece I heard on NPR the other day (I did look, btw) where they were talking about Switzerland. Every able-bodied man is part of their militia and is required to keep a gun, ready to use, in their house. Yet there is little violence there, so it must have something to do with their culture. The professor interviewed had some interesting things to say, which I can't remember now since I heard it with one ear while I was working.
So I guess I'm trying to say that there is something in our culture that fosters violence and lack of respect for human life. And that's something that can't be legislated.
Here's something about that:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/...

It does seem to be a cultural thing. People from anywhere can snap in anger and do bad things but, having guns at the ready is definitely a game changer that is typically American.

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