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Since: Dec 12

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#77525 Dec 21, 2012
Jess in NJ wrote:
Watching the news as they are talking about the weather in the Chicago area and how O'Hare is shit down right now. They said Twitter is the best way to communicate with the airlines.
Who here does not have a smartphone or tablet?
Jess in NJ wrote:
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How do you access that from the airport without a smartphone or tablet?
Perhaps I am not as seasoned a traveler as you, so you tell me, if you are already at the airport, why would you need twitter or any other form of communicating with them? There are flight boards telling you the flight status. There are airline personnel at the airport to answer your questions. I assumed you were concerned for people who wanted to phone the airline from home so as to not waste a trip to the airport to find their flight cancelled.

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#77526 Dec 21, 2012
I am not not one who wants the weapons removed, and I have consistently said the you CANT stop something like what happened thru legislation, so how about you address the issue and supply specifics?

I admit that I cant because I dont think its possible, short of knowing who the crazies are to begin with and then lock them up.
Dahgts wrote:
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You sure know how to skirt the issue. Remove venues? What does that mean. How about specifics as to how everyone in the country can "man" up. So far I haven't read any man substantive ideas. Just 2nd amend.whining.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

#77527 Dec 21, 2012
VoiceOfReezon wrote:
if you are already at the airport, why would you need twitter or any other form of communicating with them?
Because we've become a society where people will look down on their smartphone and spend five minutes doing a search instead of looking up and reading the board.

“The two baby belly, please!”

Since: Sep 09

Evanston IL

#77528 Dec 21, 2012
Mimi Seattle wrote:
Gun shit still?
::goes back into her cave::
OK, Mimi, I'll knock it off. I just don't have many friends IRL, and I needed to discuss this with *somebody*.

So is everyone ready for Christmas?

I've got some wrapping to do and some last minute gift cards to buy (for my nephews - they're getting iTunes cards) and I'm going to spend all weekend (and probably Monday morning too) baking. Gotta do this flourless chocolate torte for our downstairs neighbors (one boy is allergic to wheat) and everyone else is getting banana bread with chocolate chips. But that's going to be like 5-6 loaves. Good thing I have little helpers!

I'm really looking forward to seeing the girls in the christmas pageant on Christmas Eve at church. They're both angles with one line "Gloria!" so it should be really fun for them (as oppososed to being nervous about remembering lines).
Sam I Am

Cedar Grove, TN

#77529 Dec 21, 2012
edogxxx wrote:
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No amount of reasons or excuses will change the opinions of those who believe assault weapons should be banned.
Look, shooting is a sport. Some people enjoy spending a couple hours at the shooting range as others do spending an afternoon on the golf course, or shopping, or getting a mani/pedi.
If what someone enjoys doing in his leisure time makes you so queasy and uncomfortable that you wish to take his rights away, who are you to dictate what free time activities others are allowed to do? Why do your wishes trump theirs?
Why aren't we more focused on mental health issues instead of this knee-jerk reaction of wanting to prevent people from purchasing a weapon of their choice?
Listen, dum dum, we live in a society that is based in no small part on balancing liberties and responsibilities, freedoms and boundaries. Not everyone will agree on where the lines should be drawn, but there have to be lines. And those lines aren't based on "'Cause no one can tell me not to" or "Screw everyone else, I want...." They are based on discussion and reason. I know you feel handicapped by that since you excel at neither, but that's the way it is.

People ask why allow assault weapons becasue it's a legitimate question. I don't like guns, but I can allow that handguns have a prupose for protection. Rifles have a purpose for hunting. No one has explained the purpose of assault weapons for civilians. Even amongst police, only a small percentage have access to anything similar to assault weapons. Shooting is a sport? Go sport shoot handguns and rifles.
Sam I Am

Cedar Grove, TN

#77530 Dec 21, 2012
RACE wrote:
No, lets not asshat! How about you just admit that your trying to run a script. Its time for you do stop doing that thing that I find so very annoying about you, or are you unwilling to play by your own rules?
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Run a script? What does that even mean? I am asking a question that a lot of people are asking. You have no problem shooting your mouth off about darn near anything, yet you can't answer a simple question. Why aren't handguns and rifles enough? What legitimate purpose is there for citizens to have assault weapons?

If you wanted something banned and I didn't and you asked me why, I would certainly think that to be a fair question. If you can't think of a legitimate purpose and all you have is "No one can tell me what to do," then just say that.
Sam I Am

Cedar Grove, TN

#77531 Dec 21, 2012
edogxxx wrote:
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Keep the gun under the "main" desk. That desk should never be unmanned. Any liquor store owner will tell you this.
Now we're guiding our policies by the thought process of someone who's level of achievement is selling 6-packs and lottery tickets? Sweet Moses.

Since: Mar 09

Miami, FL

#77532 Dec 21, 2012
squishymama wrote:
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OK, Mimi, I'll knock it off. I just don't have many friends IRL, and I needed to discuss this with *somebody*.
So is everyone ready for Christmas?
I've got some wrapping to do and some last minute gift cards to buy (for my nephews - they're getting iTunes cards) and I'm going to spend all weekend (and probably Monday morning too) baking. Gotta do this flourless chocolate torte for our downstairs neighbors (one boy is allergic to wheat) and everyone else is getting banana bread with chocolate chips. But that's going to be like 5-6 loaves. Good thing I have little helpers!
I'm really looking forward to seeing the girls in the christmas pageant on Christmas Eve at church. They're both angles with one line "Gloria!" so it should be really fun for them (as oppososed to being nervous about remembering lines).
I LOVE banana bread with chocolate chips! Let me know if you have extra and need my address.
;)

I'm almost done shopping, just going to run to Total Wine and Kohl's tonight (down by my old place... sniff).

Finally got Christmas Day plans somewhat ironed out last night (Eve is still up in the air) and I need to clean and run errands tomorrow and then Sunday will be pretty much totally taken up between church and the Dolphins game. I'm really looking forward to a 4-day weekend!

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#77533 Dec 21, 2012
I had one more shopping trip I had to make but I've been avoiding going to the stores now that it's in full swing. But friends and I are getting together for breakfast at 8 a.m. tomorrow -- they'll go see The Hobbit afterwards, I'll go shopping. One friend is bringing me smoky treats as a christmas present -- is that cool or what?:)

Mainly, I'm glad that I am getting forced out of the house in the morning.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

#77534 Dec 21, 2012
Sam I Am wrote:
And those lines aren't based on "'Cause no one can tell me not to" or "Screw everyone else, I want...." They are based on discussion and reason.
And more importantly, the Constitution.
Sam I Am wrote:
No one has explained the purpose of assault weapons for civilians.
Yes we have. The government should fear the people. Not the other way around. No one has explained why we should be pushing for more gun control while gun control has been proven ineffective.
Sam I Am wrote:
Shooting is a sport? Go sport shoot handguns and rifles.


You don't get to dictate what sporting equipment I'm allowed to use.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

#77535 Dec 21, 2012
Sam I Am wrote:
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Now we're guiding our policies by the thought process of someone who's level of achievement is selling 6-packs and lottery tickets? Sweet Moses.
Maybe their level of achievement is running a successful business? Way to snub your nose at all those working behind the counter.

Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

Since: Jul 12

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#77536 Dec 21, 2012
edogxxx wrote:
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And more importantly, the Constitution.
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Yes we have. The government should fear the people. Not the other way around. No one has explained why we should be pushing for more gun control while gun control has been proven ineffective.
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You don't get to dictate what sporting equipment I'm allowed to use.
The government should fear the people? Um, I think you want to live in Sudan. Really.
Sam I Am

Knoxville, TN

#77537 Dec 21, 2012
edogxxx wrote:
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And more importantly, the Constitution.
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Yes we have. The government should fear the people. Not the other way around. No one has explained why we should be pushing for more gun control while gun control has been proven ineffective.
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You don't get to dictate what sporting equipment I'm allowed to use.
Nice how you like to pick and choose from the Constitution when it's convenient for you.

The government should fear the people? Really? Where does that come from? Since when is that a healthy, effective way to operate? DO you think our government fears the people? If you do, you're kidding yourself. And gun control doesn't work? A few days ago I gave a list of 6 countries with gun control whose COMBINED homicide rates were less than ours.

You are as mentally crippled as Race. You can't answer the simple question as to why handguns and rifles aren't enough. You really think that a few hilljacks being able to shoot 30 bullets without reloading instead of 10 is worth Newtown and Aurora and Tuscon? Most police don't have assault weapons, why should citizens? You're just another small-minded peon who wants to get his way for the sake of getting his way because it happens so seldom.
Sam I Am

Knoxville, TN

#77538 Dec 21, 2012
edogxxx wrote:
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Maybe their level of achievement is running a successful business? Way to snub your nose at all those working behind the counter.
Nothing wrong with working in a liquor store. I just don't want the guy behind the counter making policy for the rest of us. I wouldn't want most people making policy for the rest of us. If you want a guy selling Marlboros at a gas station to be your guiding light, then start making campaign signs. I prefer someone with a little more solid pedigree.
PEllen

Chicago, IL

#77539 Dec 21, 2012
Me, again.

A skeptical anthropologist was cataloguing South American folk remedies with the assistance of a tribal elder who indicated that the leaves of a
particular fern were a sure cure for any case of constipation.

When the anthropologist expressed his doubts, the elder looked him in the eye and said, "Let me tell you, with fronds like these, you don't need enemas."

PEllen

Chicago, IL

#77540 Dec 21, 2012
Toj wrote:
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The government should fear the people? Um, I think you want to live in Sudan. Really.
Tyrants should fear the people.

Not all government is tyrannical

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#77541 Dec 21, 2012
squishymama wrote:
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Nope, I didn't say that I'd like to ban all guns. It's not even feasible in this country, so I won't tilt at that windmill.
You're right, I know very little about guns. I've shot at some watermelons on a farm with a rifle (?) and fired an M-16 at a firing range in college. That brief experience scared me; that thing was so powerful. The girl next to me couldn't even keep it level once she pulled the trigger; could see the bullets making a hugh arc over her target.(The range was built into the side of dam, so it was all outdoors.) The ROTC guy came and took it away from her. But I do remember that on semi-auto, 3 bullets came out with one pull on the trigger; they wouldn't let us put it on fully automatic. And that seemed quite enough to seriously wound or kill anyone.
So as a soldier, do you really believe that someone like me, who knows next to nothing about guns should be able to buy an M-16 or something similar with just a few hours of training and a laminated card? Doesn't a weapon like that really belong in the hands of people who have trained for hours, even days, on how to use it?
All I can think of is that some of those children might have been just wounded if the gun used hadn't been able to cut them in half with one pull of the trigger.
I'm just pointing out that in a situation like last week, the caliber of the weapon doesn't really mean very much, and there really isn't any ban that could have totally prevented him from committing that tragedy. He had ample time to reload, was shooting from nearly point-blank range, and had already killed those most likely to stop him before he got to the kids. Like you, I would like to live in a world where only responsible, trained, SANE people have access to guns, but I would also like to live in a world where nobody drives drunk, or sends their children on a bus with dynamite strapped to their chests. Sadly, we don't live there.

Two of my concerns with a ban...

Putting one in place is going to prevent gun-makers from selling new ones. It isn't going to get rid of guns that are already out there. The '94 ban didn't even try to collect those that people already owned, and even if they did, I suspect that most owners would simply hide them.

Even if somehow a ban was completely successful, the next loser who wants to make a name for himself would just use a different weapon, and then we would have the debate start all over again. With a traditional six-round revolver and a pocket full of ammo, someone could have killed even more of those children, and as horrible as last Friday was, we are lucky that he killed himself when he did rather than continue to shoot them. Like you said, we will never get rid of all of them.

Here are a couple things I would like to see change...
We seem to have gotten to a point where it is more important to build up little Johnny's self-esteem, even if it is on a totally false foundation, than it is to teach him that everyone's life has value...not just his own. Every kid is the star of their own universe, while everyone else should just revolve around them.

No kid sits on a bench. Nobody fails a class. But then you become an adult and there is nobody monitoring to make sure the playing field is even, whether you have any skills or not. Some people just can't cope with that because they never learned that life isn't fair when they were young.

I would be thrilled if this were simply a gun problem. It isn't. It's deeper, and that makes it scarier.

Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#77542 Dec 21, 2012
PEllen wrote:
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Tyrants should fear the people.
Not all government is tyrannical
Hence, my suggestion for him to move to Sudan.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

#77543 Dec 21, 2012
Fear of the people is the only thing that keeps the government in check come election time. Unless they don't have to run for reelection.

Since: Jun 09

Location hidden

#77544 Dec 21, 2012
Toj wrote:
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The government should fear the people? Um, I think you want to live in Sudan. Really.
Ours is a "government of the people".

He needs to narrow it down some.

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