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Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

Since: Jul 12

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#77452 Dec 20, 2012
Sam I Am wrote:
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Ahh, the ol' Mutt backtrack. Sadly, you don't do it as well as he does. But then again, he's got a little more practice.
So let's go to the next step. What reasonable purpose is there for ordinary citizens to have assault weapons? Why aren't handguns and rifles enough? Are you going hunting with an AK? Do you keep an AK in the nightstand by your bed for home safety? Do AKs fit in the conceal carry parameters?
You just never know when you have to fight off a band of thieves, don't you know! Besides, it's everyone's right to own weapons. An AK-47 and the like makes men feel stronger and their appendages bigger.

Oops, did I just say that? ;)

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Braidwood, IL

#77453 Dec 20, 2012
Sam I Am wrote:
So let's go to the next step. What reasonable purpose is there for ordinary citizens to have assault weapons? Why aren't handguns and rifles enough? Are you going hunting with an AK? Do you keep an AK in the nightstand by your bed for home safety? Do AKs fit in the conceal carry parameters?
Why someone might need an assault weapon is none of your concern.

Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

Since: Jul 12

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#77454 Dec 20, 2012
edogxxx wrote:
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Why someone might need an assault weapon is none of your concern.
I believe it's a valid question. If you said you needed/wanted a machete I'd ask why. It's a natural question. The answer may give an understanding between those who believe assault weapons should be banned and those who believe you should be able to possess them.
PEllen

Chicago, IL

#77455 Dec 20, 2012
Sigh.

Evidence has been found that William Tell and his family were avid bowlers. Unfortunately, all the Swiss League records were destroyed in a fire,...and so we'll never know for whom the Tells bowled.

Pelly

Since: Jun 09

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#77456 Dec 20, 2012
PEllen wrote:
Sigh.
Evidence has been found that William Tell and his family were avid bowlers. Unfortunately, all the Swiss League records were destroyed in a fire,...and so we'll never know for whom the Tells bowled.
Pelly
Heavily armed punmen- and punwomen- are a danger to society.

However,if puns were outlawed, would only outlaws have puns?

Something to punder...

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Braidwood, IL

#77457 Dec 20, 2012
Toj wrote:
The answer may give an understanding between those who believe assault weapons should be banned and those who believe you should be able to possess them.
No amount of reasons or excuses will change the opinions of those who believe assault weapons should be banned.

Look, shooting is a sport. Some people enjoy spending a couple hours at the shooting range as others do spending an afternoon on the golf course, or shopping, or getting a mani/pedi.

If what someone enjoys doing in his leisure time makes you so queasy and uncomfortable that you wish to take his rights away, who are you to dictate what free time activities others are allowed to do? Why do your wishes trump theirs?

Why aren't we more focused on mental health issues instead of this knee-jerk reaction of wanting to prevent people from purchasing a weapon of their choice?

“The two baby belly, please!”

Since: Sep 09

Evanston IL

#77458 Dec 20, 2012
edogxxx wrote:
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Why someone might need an assault weapon is none of your concern.
It's our concern now, after what happened last Friday.

The only reason someone would want an assault weapon is to assult people. It's not used for hunting, it's used for killing people, and unless you are in the armed forces, NO ONE has any business owning one.

Call me as many names as you like, but I believe with all my being that a civilian should not be able to have access to a gun (or ammo clips) that have the capability of firing hundreds of bullets in a matter of minutes.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Braidwood, IL

#77459 Dec 20, 2012
Dammit, PE!
PEllen

Chicago, IL

#77460 Dec 20, 2012
Ferrerman wrote:
<quoted text>Heavily armed punmen- and punwomen- are a danger to society.
However,if puns were outlawed, would only outlaws have puns?
Something to punder...
If puns were outlawed only inlaws would have puns.

/s/ Danger to Society

Since: Jan 10

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#77461 Dec 20, 2012
People who believe the only way of halting gun violence is to equip every American adult with a weapon may be well meaning. But they envision a United States populated by Jack Reachers. I think we'd get a United States populated by Barney Fifes.

Since: Jan 10

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#77462 Dec 20, 2012
PEllen wrote:
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If puns were outlawed only inlaws would have puns.
/s/ Danger to Society
HA!

Since: Jan 10

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#77463 Dec 20, 2012
In all seriousness, as I was listening/reading discussions on this with all the “We should are the teacher” whargarble. I was wondering, what are school policies on pepper spray? Wouldn’t that be ALMOST as effective and a whole helluvalot safer?

I mean, lanyards for ID badges are breakaway so teachers can’t be strangled by them. And people are advocating GUNS in the classroom?

Since: Jul 10

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#77464 Dec 20, 2012
squishymama wrote:
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It's our concern now, after what happened last Friday.
The only reason someone would want an assault weapon is to assult people. It's not used for hunting, it's used for killing people, and unless you are in the armed forces, NO ONE has any business owning one.
Call me as many names as you like, but I believe with all my being that a civilian should not be able to have access to a gun (or ammo clips) that have the capability of firing hundreds of bullets in a matter of minutes.
OK, so basically you want to ban ownership of all guns? I don't own a single gun that I wouldn't be able to fire hundreds of times in a matter of minutes - including two revolvers, which are hand-loaded, removing the debate on clips. Even a fairly inexperienced shooter would be able to get off 20 or more rounds in a minute, with plenty of time to aim each shot - and that's if he had just one gun. I would never waste ammo shooting that way, but I know I would be able to do it. Sure, adults would be able to tackle the shooter while reloading, but on Friday, those most likely to do that were the first ones shot. In this type of situation, that isn't a factor.
That was one of the problems with the last ban we had...it banned the scariest looking guns, but didn't really have any impact on dirtbags killing people. Sure, in a theater or a mall scenario with lots of adults around, someone may be able to tackle the shooter while reloading, but that wouldn't have happened in Friday's scenario.
I think the "ban assault weapons" idea is appealing to those who aren't very familiar with guns, but does not actually do much of anything to keep us safer.

Since: Jul 10

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#77465 Dec 20, 2012
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
People who believe the only way of halting gun violence is to equip every American adult with a weapon may be well meaning. But they envision a United States populated by Jack Reachers. I think we'd get a United States populated by Barney Fifes.
Oh no!!!!!! Don't count me among the fans of that idea! I have no problem (obviously) with allowing conceal carry for those willing to go to the expense and effort of getting permits, and passing a background check, but not everyone across the board..

Since: Dec 12

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#77466 Dec 20, 2012
squishymama wrote:
but I believe with all my being that a civilian should not be able to have access to a gun (or ammo clips) that have the capability of firing hundreds of bullets in a matter of minutes.
If the people did not have access to the same guns and ammo that the government has, we may still be under British rule. While I am not advocating a revolution today, keeping all the big guns out of the hands of the people just gives the government that much more power over the people. Power to the People.

Additionally, from what I've read, the guns he used were NOT automatic. They were single fire. One trigger pull, one bullet. No faster than using a hand gun. As for 30 rounds in the clip...how much different would things have been if the dude had 2 hand guns and a satchel of 10 round clips in his bag.

Since: Dec 12

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#77467 Dec 20, 2012

“The two baby belly, please!”

Since: Sep 09

Evanston IL

#77468 Dec 20, 2012
Sgt__Smith wrote:
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OK, so basically you want to ban ownership of all guns? I don't own a single gun that I wouldn't be able to fire hundreds of times in a matter of minutes - including two revolvers, which are hand-loaded, removing the debate on clips. Even a fairly inexperienced shooter would be able to get off 20 or more rounds in a minute, with plenty of time to aim each shot - and that's if he had just one gun. I would never waste ammo shooting that way, but I know I would be able to do it. Sure, adults would be able to tackle the shooter while reloading, but on Friday, those most likely to do that were the first ones shot. In this type of situation, that isn't a factor.
That was one of the problems with the last ban we had...it banned the scariest looking guns, but didn't really have any impact on dirtbags killing people. Sure, in a theater or a mall scenario with lots of adults around, someone may be able to tackle the shooter while reloading, but that wouldn't have happened in Friday's scenario.
I think the "ban assault weapons" idea is appealing to those who aren't very familiar with guns, but does not actually do much of anything to keep us safer.
Nope, I didn't say that I'd like to ban all guns. It's not even feasible in this country, so I won't tilt at that windmill.

You're right, I know very little about guns. I've shot at some watermelons on a farm with a rifle (?) and fired an M-16 at a firing range in college. That brief experience scared me; that thing was so powerful. The girl next to me couldn't even keep it level once she pulled the trigger; could see the bullets making a hugh arc over her target.(The range was built into the side of dam, so it was all outdoors.) The ROTC guy came and took it away from her. But I do remember that on semi-auto, 3 bullets came out with one pull on the trigger; they wouldn't let us put it on fully automatic. And that seemed quite enough to seriously wound or kill anyone.

So as a soldier, do you really believe that someone like me, who knows next to nothing about guns should be able to buy an M-16 or something similar with just a few hours of training and a laminated card? Doesn't a weapon like that really belong in the hands of people who have trained for hours, even days, on how to use it?

All I can think of is that some of those children might have been just wounded if the gun used hadn't been able to cut them in half with one pull of the trigger.

“The two baby belly, please!”

Since: Sep 09

Evanston IL

#77469 Dec 20, 2012
VoiceOfReezon wrote:
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If the people did not have access to the same guns and ammo that the government has, we may still be under British rule. While I am not advocating a revolution today, keeping all the big guns out of the hands of the people just gives the government that much more power over the people. Power to the People.
Additionally, from what I've read, the guns he used were NOT automatic. They were single fire. One trigger pull, one bullet. No faster than using a hand gun. As for 30 rounds in the clip...how much different would things have been if the dude had 2 hand guns and a satchel of 10 round clips in his bag.
I've thought about that. But we're no longer living in 1776, where you had to load your gun with a musket ball, gunpower and a long stick. I don't really have an answer except to know there has to be a better way.

And I'll have to take your word on what types of guns were used. I have stopped reading most stuff about this; it hits way too close to home for me since I have a 1st grader.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Braidwood, IL

#77470 Dec 20, 2012
Sgt__Smith wrote:
I think the "ban assault weapons" idea is appealing to those who aren't very familiar with guns, but does not actually do much of anything to keep us safer.
Exactly. A majority of people calling for the ban of guns (whatever the type) know nothing about guns. People continue to ignore the fact that gun control does nothing to curb gun violence, and is actually the opposite.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Braidwood, IL

#77471 Dec 20, 2012
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
In all seriousness, as I was listening/reading discussions on this with all the “We should are the teacher” whargarble. I was wondering, what are school policies on pepper spray? Wouldn’t that be ALMOST as effective and a whole helluvalot safer?
I mean, lanyards for ID badges are breakaway so teachers can’t be strangled by them. And people are advocating GUNS in the classroom?
I don't think I'd be willing to confront an armed gunman with a bottle of pepper spray.

I don't think arming every teacher is necessary, it really only takes one. Maybe if someone had a gun in the office, this could have been prevented.

Lastly, I don't believe we should arm every adult in the country, as obviously there are many dangerous and disturbed individuals out there, but I don't think that's a reason to deny gun ownership to responsible and mentally stable people.

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