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#77038 Dec 12, 2012
edogxxx wrote:
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It's a terrible idea. Requiring insurance is a violation of the second amendment.
I promise you that the Second Amendment does not forbid insurance mandates.

Since: Jan 10

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#77039 Dec 12, 2012
j_m_w wrote:
So A told me on Monday night that her boyfriend will be up here this weekend and we talked about all of us going out either Friday or Saturday night. There's a lot going on this weekend so I wanted to firm up the plans so I asked her this morning which day she prefers (hindsight: I shouldn't have - I should have just said whichever day works for me, even though at this point either one does... I should have just picked one). Now she's saying he's "surprised" that she's assuming he'll be up here. Shocker - not. They're supposed to discuss their weekend plans tonight but I'm definitely not putting my other plans on hold. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. And all that.
I'm confused. Why is he surprised that she expected him to visit? He's glommed onto her plenty. I think he's purposely playing mind games with her. Now that he hasn't driven her away with his stupid crap (as he's likely driven away women before), now he's twisting screws to get her to agree to visit HIM this weekend, thus avoiding meeting you again.

Since: Mar 09

Miami, FL

#77040 Dec 12, 2012
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
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I'm confused. Why is he surprised that she expected him to visit? He's glommed onto her plenty. I think he's purposely playing mind games with her. Now that he hasn't driven her away with his stupid crap (as he's likely driven away women before), now he's twisting screws to get her to agree to visit HIM this weekend, thus avoiding meeting you again.
Honestly, the only explanation I have for any of his behavior and comments anymore is that he's a douchy nutjob.

I'm waiting to talk to my friend L about this weekend - and I don't mind waiting for her because she doesn't d1ck me around - but then I have to RSVP to two Christmas parties, one on Friday night and one on Saturday afternoon.

Dolphins game on Sunday! This weekend AND next, the first is a company outing and the second is extra tickets that my boss's boss gave me.:)

Since: Feb 08

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#77041 Dec 12, 2012
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
And glad you were not at the mall, moon! Scary stuff!
I haven't worked there for years, but that is where Bear and I met, I was running a children's gift shop and he was a supervisor at a pet store, opposite ends of the mall.
I was wrong about the store it happened outside of, the map in my head was turned around. It was right where we'd meet during breaks, not at my end of the mall.(Macy has two stores in the mall, and I thought it happened outside the one closer to my shops but it was the main store, not the furniture branch)
But yeah, I've been in one armed robbery, and that's enough of that sort of action for me for a lifetime, thank you very much.

Since: Aug 08

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#77042 Dec 12, 2012
dahgts wrote:
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It's not already the case. At least 60% of gun sales are made at gun shows which don't do background checks. That's reform that needs to happen.
How many of these folks who do these killings would have been blocked from getting a gun had they done background checks?

Since: Aug 08

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#77043 Dec 12, 2012
edogxxx wrote:
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It's a terrible idea. Requiring insurance is a violation of the second amendment.
I agree. Sorry, I'm not putting my constitutional rights in the hands of insurance companies. <sarcasm>

Since: Aug 08

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#77044 Dec 12, 2012
strike the sarcasm comment. I was gonna say something sarcastic, but changed it, lol.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Chicago, IL

#77045 Dec 12, 2012
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
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I promise you that the Second Amendment does not forbid insurance mandates.
Sorry, but I believe it does. That's the difference between a "privilege" (like driving a car) and a "right." The government can make you jump through all kinds of hoops in order to drive a car, but not when it comes to exercising your rights.

Since: Jan 10

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#77046 Dec 12, 2012
edogxxx wrote:
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Sorry, but I believe it does. That's the difference between a "privilege" (like driving a car) and a "right." The government can make you jump through all kinds of hoops in order to drive a car, but not when it comes to exercising your rights.
No, you're wrong. The Second Amendment doesn't mention insurance.

Reading Is Fundamental.

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Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#77047 Dec 12, 2012
Ummmm. When I am not rooting for my Giants, I root for the fish...


Just sayin.

j_m_w wrote:
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Honestly, the only explanation I have for any of his behavior and comments anymore is that he's a douchy nutjob.
I'm waiting to talk to my friend L about this weekend - and I don't mind waiting for her because she doesn't d1ck me around - but then I have to RSVP to two Christmas parties, one on Friday night and one on Saturday afternoon.
Dolphins game on Sunday! This weekend AND next, the first is a company outing and the second is extra tickets that my boss's boss gave me.:)

Since: Jun 09

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#77048 Dec 12, 2012
edogxxx wrote:
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Sorry, but I believe it does. That's the difference between a "privilege" (like driving a car) and a "right." The government can make you jump through all kinds of hoops in order to drive a car, but not when it comes to exercising your rights.
Perhaps the Supreme's would see it as a tax...

Since: Aug 08

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#77049 Dec 12, 2012
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
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No, you're wrong. The Second Amendment doesn't mention insurance.
Reading Is Fundamental.
I don't have the faintest clue how that would play out, in terms of constitutionality.

“...,to wit”

Since: Jun 09

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#77050 Dec 12, 2012
edogxxx wrote:
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It's a terrible idea. Requiring insurance is a violation of the second amendment.
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Where does it say anything about insurance?


“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Chicago, IL

#77051 Dec 12, 2012
Ferrerman wrote:
<quoted text>Perhaps the Supreme's would see it as a tax...
I predict the lawmakers will do everything in their power to prevent or discourage people from carrying, likely through high taxes and/or fees. Which will be challenged and dragged through the courts. The liberals will not give up without a fight.

Since: Jan 10

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#77052 Dec 12, 2012
Sublime1 wrote:
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I don't have the faintest clue how that would play out, in terms of constitutionality.
Doesn't the constitution cover the government when it comes to issues of safety of the citizens? I think someone told me that when he was lamenting public schools (b/c they're not in the constitution, so we shouldn't have them) and then got onto the topic of fire departments.

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#77053 Dec 12, 2012
edogxxx wrote:
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I predict the lawmakers will do everything in their power to prevent or discourage people from carrying, likely through high taxes and/or fees. Which will be challenged and dragged through the courts. The liberals will not give up without a fight.
Minnesota is a liberal state and we have conceal-carry. THe only thing you have to do is take a special course on how to use your gun and gun safety. Any fee you pay is the application fee for the government to do a background check and make sure you're not a felon.

Since: Jun 09

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#77054 Dec 12, 2012
edogxxx wrote:
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I predict the lawmakers will do everything in their power to prevent or discourage people from carrying, likely through high taxes and/or fees. Which will be challenged and dragged through the courts. The liberals will not give up without a fight.
Many of the 49 states that have concealed carry are "blue" or (yikes!) "liberal" states. How'd THAT happen?

Since: Aug 08

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#77055 Dec 12, 2012
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
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Doesn't the constitution cover the government when it comes to issues of safety of the citizens? I think someone told me that when he was lamenting public schools (b/c they're not in the constitution, so we shouldn't have them) and then got onto the topic of fire departments.
Yes, but there is a specific provision in the constitution that says you have the right to bear arms. So that provision will trump.

As far as I know, the only limits courts have allowed to be imposed, were traditional limitations that were customary when the constitution was written limits on concealed guns and locations where you can carry and limits on felons and the mentally ill to carry or minimal waiting periods so that one's back ground can be checked to see if they are a felon.

A requirement to carry insurance has no historical basis. What if you are very poor and live in a poor dangerous area and can't afford this insurance, but need a gun for protection? Upon consideration, I am inclined to think it would most likely be unconstitutional.

Since: Jan 10

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#77056 Dec 12, 2012
Oh, I don't think the insurance thing would pass the constitutional test, either. And the NRA would fight it tooth and nail.

Since: Aug 08

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#77057 Dec 12, 2012
The shooter was actually only 22 years old and used a gun that he had stolen. There isn't much you can do to stop someone like that.

At that age, he likely didn't even have a criminal record that would have even prevented him from buying a gun.

IMO, the best way to limit damage is to have law abiding citizens armed. The crazies and criminals will always find guns. Gun laws only work for folks who by nature follow the law and aren't criminals. They don't work for criminals.

OH, and get ready cause 3D printed guns (that is a very exciting technology that will revolutionize things) are going to be on their way VERY SOON. When the price of 3D printers come down, you will be able to make your own gun at home. Even nations that outlaw guns won't be able to stop folks from making them.

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