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#76591 Nov 30, 2012
Sgt__Smith wrote:
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And which I kind of regretted not doing at the time...definitely regretted when I heard about his later actions.
You couldnít have known that things were going to turn out as they did. If that person had turned their life around, you would have thought it a good thing that you didnít.

“The two baby belly, please!”

Since: Sep 09

Evanston IL

#76592 Nov 30, 2012
I'm sitting here wondering why my head hurts so bad and then I remembered my L ride in this morning.

At Howard, a woman with a kid in a stroller gets on. I can't really see them as I'm sitting way in the back of the car, but I can hear the kid beating on the stroller's tray. Fine, I can handle that kind of noise.

But then she rolls the stroller down the aisle to the end of the car, effectivly blocking me and a couple of other people from getting out of our seats. Fine, she'll have to move when we get to Belmont.

But then the kid proceeds to scream and howl and twist himself all around his stroller and the mom just pulls out her smart phone and totally ignores him. After about 2 minutes of this, the guy in front of me grunts and glares at the mom and moves to a different part of the car, all the while the mom is still playing on her phone and has not said one word to the kid.

The kid continued to cry and wail for the next 20 minutes, sometimes slowing down just long enough for me to think he had worn himself out, but then he'd start up as loud as before. I couldn't decide if he was really really tired because in his few quite moments his eyes were closed, or had some type of autism or cerebral palsy or something like that. His mother was ignoring him so completely that I began to think that it was all drama for his mama. She did finally come over and wipe his nose and tears but never once said anything to him or tried to comfort him in any way.

But I tried real hard not to judge her, I did, really! But there was no way I could have inflicted my kid on an L-ful of other people like that.

I could not WAIT to get off at Belmont, even though I had to practically crawl over the stroller to get out.

“bELieve”

Since: Jun 09

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#76593 Nov 30, 2012
Sublime1 wrote:
<quoted text>When someone breaks into you home, you don't have to be surprised and you don't have to be a fool and wait for them to threaten you.

Sounds to me like you advocate a hope for the best approach or you feel it's wrong.
No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm typing on my iPhone and not using many words, so it's coming out wrong.

I wasn't trying to say that I thought making it look like no one was home was illegal. I believe in being prepared. But he wasn't sitting there with a gun and the phone in his hand to call for back up. Even the police, who are trained, call for reinforcements ASAP. That is where I have a problem with his actions. As soon as he determined that there was no immediate threat to his life, he should have called 911.

As for my statement before, when you are surprised in your own home, I will give you a little leeway. When you have everything planned out to the point that you are sitting in the dark at the bottom of the stairs with a gun in your hands, that benefit of the doubt is gone.

“It made sense at the time....”

Since: May 09

Schaumburg, IL

#76594 Nov 30, 2012
Mimi Seattle wrote:
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Thanks. I'm not dealing with it actually. I sicced (is that a word?) on my nephew. I'm too busy to live her life for her and she's almost (in March) 45 goddamn years old. Enough. I am not her mother.
It's the timing that i thoguht was coincidental, i get that you're not taking her in or dealing directly with her POS... your story and the article both further illustrate taht "it takes a village" wehn dealing with domestic violence.

Since: Jun 09

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#76595 Nov 30, 2012
Sublime1 wrote:
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Actually, legally, you are wrong. It's not against the law to make it look like you aren't home and wait for intruders to break into your home and then kill them when they enter.
He's only going to get in trouble, if at all because once they were incapacitated, he didn't face a reasonable threat and legally couldn't use deadly force to kill them.
So, legally you, Toj, and Sam have no leg to stand on when you keep whining about how he made it look like he wasn't home and waited for them to enter. Perfectly legal.
In fact, that's no different than what Sgt Smith did, except she unfortunately didn't blow his head off, which legally she could have, the second he entered her home.
I think it's pretty obvious she wasn't going for the legal-dictionary definition of "entrapment". So, how bout hunting?

This guy is no different from the hunter sitting in his tree stand, waiting for deer to walk by. His premeditation is that he wants to kill. No particular buck or doe- just whatever comes along.

This guy was in it to kill. He killed kids in the same way a hunter kills animals- laying in wait for them.

Rationalize it all you want and extrapolate with anecdotes of what others who got away with burglary might have gone on to do. He murdered those kids.

Since: Jan 10

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#76596 Nov 30, 2012
Squishy: I can tolerate a kid's crying and fussing so much more if the parents at least make an effort to get it to stop. If the parents do nothing, I'm livid.

Since: Jan 10

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#76597 Nov 30, 2012

“bELieve”

Since: Jun 09

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#76598 Nov 30, 2012
squishymama wrote:
I'm sitting here wondering why my head hurts so bad and then I remembered my L ride in this morning.

At Howard, a woman with a kid in a stroller gets on. I can't really see them as I'm sitting way in the back of the car, but I can hear the kid beating on the stroller's tray. Fine, I can handle that kind of noise.

But then she rolls the stroller down the aisle to the end of the car, effectivly blocking me and a couple of other people from getting out of our seats. Fine, she'll have to move when we get to Belmont.

But then the kid proceeds to scream and howl and twist himself all around his stroller and the mom just pulls out her smart phone and totally ignores him. After about 2 minutes of this, the guy in front of me grunts and glares at the mom and moves to a different part of the car, all the while the mom is still playing on her phone and has not said one word to the kid.

The kid continued to cry and wail for the next 20 minutes, sometimes slowing down just long enough for me to think he had worn himself out, but then he'd start up as loud as before. I couldn't decide if he was really really tired because in his few quite moments his eyes were closed, or had some type of autism or cerebral palsy or something like that. His mother was ignoring him so completely that I began to think that it was all drama for his mama. She did finally come over and wipe his nose and tears but never once said anything to him or tried to comfort him in any way.

But I tried real hard not to judge her, I did, really! But there was no way I could have inflicted my kid on an L-ful of other people like that.

I could not WAIT to get off at Belmont, even though I had to practically crawl over the stroller to get out.
I hope your head feels better soon!

It must have been REALLY hard not to say anything.

One of my college roommates posted on FB asking if anyone knew a way to prevent her preschooler from accessing things on the iPad other than his apps (he apparently has skyped a few people lately and bought some things on amazon using the one-click option). I made one app suggestion (Zoodles), but 2 people jumped in later on with "maybe you just shouldn't let him play with it" and. "He is too young for a $600 piece of technology". Ugh, she doesn't need her friends judging her. She also has 1 year old twins to deal with right now.

I wish moms were more supportive of each other, in general.

Since: Aug 08

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#76599 Nov 30, 2012
Jess in NJ wrote:
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No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm typing on my iPhone and not using many words, so it's coming out wrong.
I wasn't trying to say that I thought making it look like no one was home was illegal. I believe in being prepared. But he wasn't sitting there with a gun and the phone in his hand to call for back up. Even the police, who are trained, call for reinforcements ASAP. That is where I have a problem with his actions. As soon as he determined that there was no immediate threat to his life, he should have called 911.
If I had a gun and an intruder broke into my home, the last thing I would be thinking about is calling the police at that moment. I donít even own any guns and the last thing I would be thinking about is calling the police if an intruder broke in. The first thing I would do is get a knife or any weapon or just use my hands to eliminate the threat. When an intruder is in your house and the police are ten minutes away, in my mind, they may as well be in Timbuktu?
Jess in NJ wrote:
<quoted text>When you have everything planned out to the point that you are sitting in the dark at the bottom of the stairs with a gun in your hands, that benefit of the doubt is gone.
Why, what if these people who break in are armed? How was this man supposed to know that they werenít? Seems to me thatís just being prepared and being smart. Should he just turn out the lights and go to bed and risk waking up to intruders pointing a gun to his head?

An intruder is like a like a mystery box. You donít know what kind of intruder you are going to get. Thatís why many states, like NC provide a legal presumption that you have a reasonable fear for your safety. Itís common sense that you shouldnít have to take a chance and wait for someone who has broken into your home to threaten you first.

Since: Aug 08

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#76600 Nov 30, 2012
Ferrerman wrote:
<quoted text> His premeditation is that he wants to kill. No particular buck or doe- just whatever comes along.
This guy was in it to kill. He killed kids in the same way a hunter kills animals- laying in wait for them.
IN many states, you have the legal right to kill any buck or doe that breaks into your home. Many states realize that it's foolish, when someone has already taken the criminal act of breaking and entering for you to sit around and pray that it's some unarmed 100 lbs 16 year old girl, before you defend yourself.

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Since: Feb 09

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#76601 Nov 30, 2012
When hunters sit in their basement, and deer break into his house, you can make that analogy. He was not hunting, he was defending his position.
Ferrerman wrote:
<quoted text>I think it's pretty obvious she wasn't going for the legal-dictionary definition of "entrapment". So, how bout hunting?
This guy is no different from the hunter sitting in his tree stand, waiting for deer to walk by. His premeditation is that he wants to kill. No particular buck or doe- just whatever comes along.
This guy was in it to kill. He killed kids in the same way a hunter kills animals- laying in wait for them.
Rationalize it all you want and extrapolate with anecdotes of what others who got away with burglary might have gone on to do. He murdered those kids.

“The two baby belly, please!”

Since: Sep 09

Evanston IL

#76602 Nov 30, 2012
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
Squishy: I can tolerate a kid's crying and fussing so much more if the parents at least make an effort to get it to stop. If the parents do nothing, I'm livid.
This!

I could see the kid trying to get my attention out of the corner of my eye and I could have engaged him to try and get him calmed down, but I did not want to be a savior to this mom. Sorry, I know that sounds bad and pretty contrary to how I usually feel, but she was doing NOTHING to help this kid or the rest of us, for that matter.

If she had even tried once to calm him down, I would have jumped in to help, but she was so distant and uninvolved that I just couldn't bring myself to get involved.

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Since: Apr 10

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#76603 Nov 30, 2012
Jess in NJ wrote:
When you have everything planned out to the point that you are sitting in the dark at the bottom of the stairs with a gun in your hands, that benefit of the doubt is gone.
Where are you bleeding hearts nuts getting this bs that he set a trap? I ain't read no stories with him saying that he did. He confess to that or is that your imagination?

Homeboy was down working in his basement, weapon nearby, when he heard glass breaking. He took a defensive position and eliminated the threats when they presented themselves.

Lights in the rest of the house were off cuz he was downstairs. Engergy efficiency.

“The two baby belly, please!”

Since: Sep 09

Evanston IL

#76604 Nov 30, 2012
Jess in NJ wrote:
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I hope your head feels better soon!
It must have been REALLY hard not to say anything.
One of my college roommates posted on FB asking if anyone knew a way to prevent her preschooler from accessing things on the iPad other than his apps (he apparently has skyped a few people lately and bought some things on amazon using the one-click option). I made one app suggestion (Zoodles), but 2 people jumped in later on with "maybe you just shouldn't let him play with it" and. "He is too young for a $600 piece of technology". Ugh, she doesn't need her friends judging her. She also has 1 year old twins to deal with right now.
I wish moms were more supportive of each other, in general.
I think it will once I get some lunch!

And I am usually very supportive and non-judgemental when I see misbehaving children. Nunu is queen of misbehaving, after all! And two of the girls' godfather's children are on the autism spectrum and their mom and I have talked at length about the looks she gets and how you really have no idea what's going on in the family when you see the hissy fit in Target (or on the L). So I tried to remember that while my eardrums were being taxed to their limit while watching mom ignore the whole situation.

And as I replied to Red, I would have helped if the mom had even tried a little bit.

“bELieve”

Since: Jun 09

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#76605 Nov 30, 2012
Sublime1 wrote:
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If I had a gun and an intruder broke into my home, the last thing I would be thinking about is calling the police at that moment. I donít even own any guns and the last thing I would be thinking about is calling the police if an intruder broke in. The first thing I would do is get a knife or any weapon or just use my hands to eliminate the threat. When an intruder is in your house and the police are ten minutes away, in my mind, they may as well be in Timbuktu?
<quoted text>
Why, what if these people who break in are armed? How was this man supposed to know that they werenít? Seems to me thatís just being prepared and being smart. Should he just turn out the lights and go to bed and risk waking up to intruders pointing a gun to his head?
An intruder is like a like a mystery box. You donít know what kind of intruder you are going to get. Thatís why many states, like NC provide a legal presumption that you have a reasonable fear for your safety. Itís common sense that you shouldnít have to take a chance and wait for someone who has broken into your home to threaten you first.
Where are you reading that I didn't say he could shoot them once they entered his home? I don't like having discussions with you because your reading comprehension is off. My issue with him isn't whether or not he had the right to shoot them in his house. Of course he did. BUT, there is a difference between them entering his house, him shooting them and him saying "The last thing on my mind was calling the police because it all happened so suddenly and I was caught off guard" and him planning out every little detail and sitting patiently and waiting quietly while he heard them entering the house upstairs and walking down the stairs, but not even making an attempt to dial 911 (which in my town triggers a police car to be sent to your residence if you do not respond to the phone call or they cannot reach you when they call back).

I will stop discussing this now, though, because I think this guy is just an a$$hole. I try not to make it look like no one is home in my house, most of the time. We have an alarm system and a dog (who is loud). I believe that the best defense is a good offense.

Since: Jan 10

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#76606 Nov 30, 2012
Jess in NJ wrote:
I believe that the best defense is a good offense.
When I had pepper spray (because I was working downtown alone late at night), the instructions said to not keep it in your purse or pocket, but to carry it with you, out in front, obvious to anyone watching that you had it in your hand, so as to avoid any unnecessary confrontation in the first place.

Since: Aug 08

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#76607 Nov 30, 2012
Jess in NJ wrote:
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Where are you reading that I didn't say he could shoot them once they entered his home? I don't like having discussions with you because your reading comprehension is off.
Iíve read it repeatedly from you and you again repeat it below:
Jess in NJ wrote:
<quoted text>My issue with him isn't whether or not he had the right to shoot them in his house. Of course he did. BUT, there is a difference between them entering his house, him shooting them and him saying "The last thing on my mind was calling the police because it all happened so suddenly and I was caught off guard" and him planning out every little detail and sitting patiently and waiting quietly while he heard them entering the house upstairs and walking down the stairs, but not even making an attempt to dial 911 (which in my town triggers a police car to be sent to your residence if you do not respond to the phone call or they cannot reach you when they call back).
You keep saying he can kill them once they entered his home, but only if he does it in a certain way that the law of many states donít require. In a state like NC, there is no requirement to call the police once someone breaks into your home. In a state like NC, there is no requirement to be completely unprepared should someone break in your home. There is no requirement that you have to make it look like you are home, so that robbers donít break into your home and get hurt or killed. This would be ludicrous.

And what do you think would have happened if he had called the police? Do you think they would have gotten there in time before these two punks walked down the basement? I highly doubt it.
Jess in NJ wrote:
<quoted text>I will stop discussing this now, though, because I think this guy is just an a$$hole. I try not to make it look like no one is home in my house, most of the time. We have an alarm system and a dog (who is loud). I believe that the best defense is a good offense.
I think between him and they, they were the bigger a$$holes, and while the guy acted illegally, I couldnít give a fí about two low life scums.

Since: Aug 08

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#76608 Nov 30, 2012
RACE wrote:
When hunters sit in their basement, and deer break into his house, you can make that analogy. He was not hunting, he was defending his position.
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This.

“bELieve”

Since: Jun 09

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#76609 Nov 30, 2012
Sublime1 wrote:
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Iíve read it repeatedly from you and you again repeat it below:
<quoted text>
You keep saying he can kill them once they entered his home, but only if he does it in a certain way that the law of many states donít require.
No, I don't - you keep reading it that way. I keep saying that he should call the police as soon as possible after they enter the premises. That may be after he kills them, but I am saying that I think he is an A$$hole for not trying to call sooner, not that it is illegal. I hate people who take the law into their own hands.
Sam I Am

Cedar Grove, TN

#76610 Nov 30, 2012
The_Lurker wrote:
<quoted text>Homeboy was down working in his basement, weapon nearby, when he heard glass breaking. He took a defensive position and eliminated the threats when they presented themselves.
Lights in the rest of the house were off cuz he was downstairs. Engergy efficiency.
Thank you for the Fox News version.

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