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“Licensed to Ill”

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Toj wrote:
<quoted text>How paranoid do you have to be in order to be so afraid to lose a possession that it's worth more than a life?

It's too bad common sense has been lost for some.
If i had a choice of the following:

Person A will break into your home and steal your tv and a bunch of shyte or person A will die, i'd choose person A will die every time.

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Toj wrote:
<quoted text>It was a planned massacre. He should have dialed 911. He didn't. He killed a person after being incapacitated.

Yes, you should defend yourself if someone comes into your home. You don't lie in wait. From a legal dictionary:

"A person claiming self-defense must prove at trial that the self-defense was justified. Generally a person may use reasonable force when it appears reasonably necessary to prevent an impending injury. A person using force in self-defense should use only so much force as is required to repel the attack. Nondeadly force can be used to repel either a nondeadly attack or a deadly attack. Deadly Force may be used to fend off an attacker who is using deadly force but may not be used to repel an attacker who is not using deadly force."

I guess I was right. Common sense is not so common after all.
I already said the guy is probably going to be found guilty.

Also citing a law doesn't mean the law is common sense. It's only the law because flaming liberals value the lives of low life scum bags more than they value the right of law abiding citizens to not be subjected to threats of harm in their own home.

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You brak into my house and your life has zero value to me. If I were that guy I would have done it as I said and then laughed at all the people who felt I crossed the line. Don't like how I operate with intruders in my home ... It's simple don't intrude. You break into my home, I'm gonna tow tag ya mother f'er and leave you under a cover.

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Sublime1 wrote:
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If i had a choice of the following:
Person A will break into your home and steal your tv and a bunch of shyte or person A will die, i'd choose person A will die every time.
And that, my friends, is what is wrong with our country. That's called vigilante unless you felt your life threatened. Not say you thought your life was threatened b/c you want to get out of trouble, that's still being a vigilante.

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Toj wrote:
<quoted text>And that, my friends, is what is wrong with our country. That's called vigilante unless you felt your life threatened. Not say you thought your life was threatened b/c you want to get out of trouble, that's still being a vigilante.
until there is zero risk to my and my family's safety, i should be able to be a vigilante in my own home with folks who enter unlawfully.

And you talk about this guy being so messed up to lie in wait, but I image having your home robbed has to be a pretty traumatic experience. Never knowing when lying down at night if they are gonna come back and what they are gonna come back.

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Sublime1 wrote:
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I already said the guy is probably going to be found guilty.
Also citing a law doesn't mean the law is common sense. It's only the law because flaming liberals value the lives of low life scum bags more than they value the right of law abiding citizens to not be subjected to threats of harm in their own home.
What a dumb thing to say. Liberals make all the laws?

Dumb.

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Nov 28, 2012
 
Ok, so y'all know i'm not into politics, but i just saw on teh Chicago Tribune website taht former Congressman Mel Reynolds just officially enterd the race to replace jesse jackson jr.

the man was ousted on sex charges 18 years ago! alleged sex w/ an underaged campaign worker! alleged federal financial and campaign fraud charges! actually, since he served time on all three, i don't know if we still ahve to call it "alleged"...

his campaign slogan just slays me - "So he can finish the work." And what work would that be and how does he plan on "finishing' it?!?!? cant wait to see waht the comedians and columnists do with this one!

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I think that guy was drinking when he shot those teens execution style. He's probably a chronic alcoholic.
That's why he waited a day to call the police, so he could sober up a little and invent a story.
The man has absolutely no credibility.
Any way I look at it he's a double-murderer in the first degree.
He'll probably go to prison for manslaughter. I don't see him walking away from this hideousness.
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Toj wrote:
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Really? How do you know what their "intent" is? How much do people hate to get to a place where they shoot them dead when you're in no danger? How paranoid do you have to be in order to be so afraid to lose a possession that it's worth more than a life? I'm not saying give your stuff out, but there's a lot of room in between those two extremes.
It's too bad common sense has been lost for some.
They expressed their intent when they entered the dwelling without permission in a forceable manner. Once they were in his house he was entitled to use deadly force..

It is the fact that he shot a second time without provocation at that point or apparent expectation that the intruder would use force against him that has him in trouble
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NWmoon wrote:
<quoted text> He could have just shot them in the legs from that vantage point. They'd have limped away as fast as possible and ended up in jail.
Or, if they had weapons they could have shot him while they themselves were wounded.
Nope. Once inside the house they were subject to the owners right to defned his dwelling. It doesn't matter that the intruders thought the house was empty.

He would be in more trouble if he had rigged a trip wire to shoot an intruder when he was not home.

I am only being a bit sarcastic to say that the thought process was that he wss not going to let some kid live to sue him.
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Nov 28, 2012
 
Aisle Sitter wrote:
Ok, so y'all know i'm not into politics, but i just saw on teh Chicago Tribune website taht former Congressman Mel Reynolds just officially enterd the race to replace jesse jackson jr.
the man was ousted on sex charges 18 years ago! alleged sex w/ an underaged campaign worker! alleged federal financial and campaign fraud charges! actually, since he served time on all three, i don't know if we still ahve to call it "alleged"...
his campaign slogan just slays me - "So he can finish the work." And what work would that be and how does he plan on "finishing' it?!?!? cant wait to see waht the comedians and columnists do with this one!
It is not alleged. Mel Reynolds was convicted. He also made some real big misrepresentations on his resume/biography as well as I recall.

Reynolds predecessor was Gus Savage who resigned because he had gone on an African information trip and was groping Peace Corp workers.

Also testing the waters is Todd Stroger who was massivly booted out of the County Board President office.

The Democrat Party Chairman is Joe Berrios who has said that the ethics rules do not apply to his office as County Assessor and that it is okay for him to use nepotism.

Where is Boundary Painter when we need her? These turkeys are continuing to give Illinois a bad name
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Toj wrote:
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It was a planned massacre. He should have dialed 911. He didn't. He killed a person after being incapacitated.
Yes, you should defend yourself if someone comes into your home. You don't lie in wait. From a legal dictionary:
"A person claiming self-defense must prove at trial that the self-defense was justified. Generally a person may use reasonable force when it appears reasonably necessary to prevent an impending injury. A person using force in self-defense should use only so much force as is required to repel the attack. Nondeadly force can be used to repel either a nondeadly attack or a deadly attack. Deadly Force may be used to fend off an attacker who is using deadly force but may not be used to repel an attacker who is not using deadly force."
I guess I was right. Common sense is not so common after all.
That applies when you are on teh street. It does not apply when someone breaks into an occupied dwelling
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And that, my friends, is what is wrong with our country. That's called vigilante unless you felt your life threatened. Not say you thought your life was threatened b/c you want to get out of trouble, that's still being a vigilante.
No. Vigilantes affirmatively assume teh role of teh police/ sherrif and pursue people they consider to be wrong doers.

This guy defended himself and his house from a forceable felony as it was occurring. Big difference

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PEllen wrote:
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That applies when you are on teh street. It does not apply when someone breaks into an occupied dwelling
It does. Cops and prosecutors have spoken about this. He had zero legal right to shoot them after they were brought to the ground with the first shot. He also had the legal obligation to call the police (to report a shooting) and to call for aid for the injured. Required by law.

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PEllen wrote:
<quoted text>Or, if they had weapons they could have shot him while they themselves were wounded.
Nope. Once inside the house they were subject to the owners right to defned his dwelling. It doesn't matter that the intruders thought the house was empty.
He would be in more trouble if he had rigged a trip wire to shoot an intruder when he was not home.
I am only being a bit sarcastic to say that the thought process was that he wss not going to let some kid live to sue him.
Incorrect. This guy IS being charged with murder. He broke the law once he killed them after they were lying on the ground.

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PEllen wrote:
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No. Vigilantes affirmatively assume teh role of teh police/ sherrif and pursue people they consider to be wrong doers.
This guy defended himself and his house from a forceable felony as it was occurring. Big difference
He wasn't defending himself when he shot the girl in the head, or the other kid in the face. THAT was murder.

Sub was right -- if this guy had killed them in one shot each (or quick successive shots; you ARE supposed to empty the chamber, I elieve), he'd not e in trouble. When he killed them he wasn't defending *anything*.

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PEllen wrote:
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No. Vigilantes affirmatively assume teh role of teh police/ sherrif and pursue people they consider to be wrong doers.
This guy defended himself and his house from a forceable felony as it was occurring. Big difference
Too many gun owners look at these incidents like a "free play" or a free kill. In the article I read, the guy waited until the next day(!) to call anyone about the killings. In fact, he called a neighbor for legal advice, the next day, and the neighbor called the police. He had not wanted to bother them "...on the holiday..." He spent the night with two dead teenagers in his basement. Who does that?

So, clearly the guy is looney toons. He probably thinks liberals are responsible for all the frivolous or pro-crime laws.

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Nov 28, 2012
 
I really need to learn to read through the comments bbefore popsting.

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Nov 28, 2012
 
Well, everyone can think what they want. I believe if you lie in wait for someone and shoot them down and then kill them after you have rendered them defenseless and cannot do you harm, that's a murderer.

That also highly vigilante behavior not calling the police and acting like the police yourself.

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Nov 28, 2012
 
Toj wrote:
Well, everyone can think what they want. I believe if you lie in wait for someone and shoot them down and then kill them after you have rendered them defenseless and cannot do you harm, that's a murderer.
That also highly vigilante behavior not calling the police and acting like the police yourself.
i agree with you.

I think he should have called the cops when he heard the glass break. I think he should have called the cops when he fired the first shot.

Enjoy prison for 20 years, dude. You were a security guard for the feds. I think that puts you in "cop" territory when it comes to federal prison and how other inmates treat you.

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