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PEllen

Chicago, IL

#76457 Nov 29, 2012
Toj wrote:
L1: Purchase a firearm. Invite her over but make sure there's no evidence of that invitation. When she's inside your home, shoot her dead. I hear it's perfectly fine to shoot for a kill if someone is in your house.

Pellen responds:
No, and you are exaggerating. You can shoot an intruder on your premises, not someone you have invited in. There is a difference

Since: Jan 10

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#76458 Nov 29, 2012
Now it turns out, they think the two teens were related to a bunch of other home burglaries. The house they robbed on Wednesday, they stole 8 prescription medicines (including drugs for diabetes).

Since: Jan 10

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#76459 Nov 29, 2012
by the way, here's a pic of the two teens. Not exactly what you'd picture, eh?

http://www.startribune.com/local/181189391.ht...

Since: Jan 10

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#76460 Nov 29, 2012
Oops. Six bottles of meds, not eight. Also:

"Schirmers said his department or the sheriff's office had 19 "contacts" with Kifer this year, ranging from traffic stops to reports of suspicious activity or theft.

"Police had contacts of a similar nature with Brady, Schirmers said, though he declined to be specific, citing Brady's status as a juvenile when killed."

I'm sorry they died, and I think the guy was wrong to kill them the way he did, but they were living a high-risk lifestyle.

Since: Jan 10

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#76461 Nov 29, 2012
PEllen wrote:
Pellen responds:
No, and you are exaggerating. You can shoot an intruder on your premises, not someone you have invited in. There is a difference
No, no, no, you're confusing this with vampires! They have to be invited in before they can bite you! ;)

Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

Since: Jul 12

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#76462 Nov 29, 2012
PEllen wrote:
Toj wrote:
L1: Purchase a firearm. Invite her over but make sure there's no evidence of that invitation. When she's inside your home, shoot her dead. I hear it's perfectly fine to shoot for a kill if someone is in your house.
Pellen responds:
No, and you are exaggerating. You can shoot an intruder on your premises, not someone you have invited in. There is a difference
That's why you have to make sure there's no evidence of it!
PEllen

Chicago, IL

#76463 Nov 29, 2012
Toj wrote:
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And I've actually been robbed. You really shouldn't assume you know what path people have been on in life.
If someone is that paranoid to lie in wait for the robbers, shoot them and then shoot them again after lying bleeding to death -- why wouldn't they install ADT or something similar? Not enough money? Sell a gun or two out of the arsenal.
I think they're paranoid people who don't stop and think for a minute. Hmmm, people have been robbing me. I think I'll install a security system and put 911 on speed dial. Make sure my locks are good. I'll also make sure I have personal protection on me IN CASE I NEED IT.
I have ADT on the house. Once the alarm is tripped there is about a minute before the system calls a Central station which then calls the local police who then jump in their cars and come over. If everything happens exactly as planned, the cops are here in maybe 7-10 minutes. Lots can happen in that 10 minutes.

Since: Mar 09

Miami, FL

#76464 Nov 29, 2012
Toj wrote:
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If you truly believed someone was going to rob your house, would you wait for them INSIDE to shoot them if you were afraid for your life? Really? And NOT call the police. Really?
I didn't say I would do what he did. I haven't been in his shoes so I don't know what state of mind I'd be in after being robbed several times.

Since: Mar 09

Miami, FL

#76465 Nov 29, 2012
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
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No, no, no, you're confusing this with vampires! They have to be invited in before they can bite you! ;)
Ha!

PEllen's comment raises an interesting question though. What if you invited someone in (like a salesperson, for example) and they turned out to have bad intentions? At that point, if you feel threatened, can you shoot them? I assume so, even though you initially invited them in...?

Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

Since: Jul 12

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#76466 Nov 29, 2012
PEllen wrote:
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I have ADT on the house. Once the alarm is tripped there is about a minute before the system calls a Central station which then calls the local police who then jump in their cars and come over. If everything happens exactly as planned, the cops are here in maybe 7-10 minutes. Lots can happen in that 10 minutes.
Fine, Pellen. Go get your gun and sit in the basement for a day or two.:)
PEllen

Chicago, IL

#76467 Nov 29, 2012
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
by the way, here's a pic of the two teens. Not exactly what you'd picture, eh?
http://www.startribune.com/local/181189391.ht...
No. Interesting that they took the non-narcotics

“Where is Tonka?”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#76468 Nov 29, 2012
You were in your home when you were robbed?

It's not paranoia to sit with a rifle in your lap, when people do actually break in your home.

If I want to sit up all night with a rifle in case someone breaks in, thats my right. I dont have to sit there with my thumb poised above the 911 speed dial.

So, you call the cops, then what? You run and hide till they get there? Remember when seconds count the cops are only minutes away.
Toj wrote:
<quoted text>
And I've actually been robbed. You really shouldn't assume you know what path people have been on in life.
If someone is that paranoid to lie in wait for the robbers, shoot them and then shoot them again after lying bleeding to death -- why wouldn't they install ADT or something similar? Not enough money? Sell a gun or two out of the arsenal.
I think they're paranoid people who don't stop and think for a minute. Hmmm, people have been robbing me. I think I'll install a security system and put 911 on speed dial. Make sure my locks are good. I'll also make sure I have personal protection on me IN CASE I NEED IT.

Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

Since: Jul 12

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#76469 Nov 29, 2012
PEllen wrote:
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No. Interesting that they took the non-narcotics
What?

Since: Jan 10

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#76470 Nov 29, 2012
PEllen wrote:
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No. Interesting that they took the non-narcotics
I think they just took ALL the meds, figuring "let's worry about what they are later."

Since: Jan 10

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#76471 Nov 29, 2012
j_m_w wrote:
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Ha!
PEllen's comment raises an interesting question though. What if you invited someone in (like a salesperson, for example) and they turned out to have bad intentions? At that point, if you feel threatened, can you shoot them? I assume so, even though you initially invited them in...?
Whatever you were "feeling," it'd better be reasonable and persuasive enough to keep the authorities from feeling otherwise.

Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

Since: Jul 12

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#76472 Nov 29, 2012
RACE wrote:
You were in your home when you were robbed?
It's not paranoia to sit with a rifle in your lap, when people do actually break in your home.
If I want to sit up all night with a rifle in case someone breaks in, thats my right. I dont have to sit there with my thumb poised above the 911 speed dial.
So, you call the cops, then what? You run and hide till they get there? Remember when seconds count the cops are only minutes away.
<quoted text>
Yes. Yes it is paranoid. Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you.

Since: Feb 08

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#76473 Nov 29, 2012
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
by the way, here's a pic of the two teens. Not exactly what you'd picture, eh?
http://www.startribune.com/local/181189391.ht...
On the contrary, they're EXACTLY what I pictured. Exactly. Right down to the hair colours and cuts.
Sam I Am

Nashville, TN

#76474 Nov 29, 2012
loose cannon wrote:
I think that guy was drinking when he shot those teens execution style. He's probably a chronic alcoholic.
That's why he waited a day to call the police, so he could sober up a little and invent a story.
The man has absolutely no credibility.
Speaking of credibility, physician heal thyself. Where in the heck did any of that come from?

Since: Mar 09

Miami, FL

#76475 Nov 29, 2012
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
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Whatever you were "feeling," it'd better be reasonable and persuasive enough to keep the authorities from feeling otherwise.
I certainly hope so.

Bottom line, I've never been robbed, much less multiple times, so I have no idea how paranoid, scared, angry etc. I'd be in this guy's shoes. Yes, I think his reaction was extreme but it was preventable by either those kids getting caught sooner or... hey, them not robbing people at all!

“Fort Kickass”

Since: Sep 09

Bloomington, IL

#76476 Nov 29, 2012
NWmoon wrote:
<quoted text>On the contrary, they're EXACTLY what I pictured. Exactly. Right down to the hair colours and cuts.
Same. Said it happened in a rural area, so I assumed they were white.

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