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“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Braidwood, IL

#76375 Nov 27, 2012
PEllen wrote:
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Do that include mandatory workers comoensation insurance coverage, too? That has been required for something around 100 years ago and the Supremes upheld it agianst the Teddy Roosevelt era Robber Barons as a valid exercise of social policy
Forgive me, my comment was regarding HEALTH insurance. Health insurance. Sorry for not explicitly qualifying that.
PEllen

Chicago, IL

#76376 Nov 27, 2012
Toj wrote:
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Yes they do.
"Catholic hospitals are required to obey a list of ethical and religious directives put forth by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops. And St. Elizabeth officials have stated their intention to remain a Catholic hospital even after a possible merger."
There are ethical and religious directives from the Conference of Catholic Bishops addressing pain medication?

I am aware there are edicts against hastening end of life and abortion, but I am seriously surprised that the Bishops would limit use of pain medication for pain relief.

If you have a specific entry you can cite, I would very much like to see it. I have heard any number of anti-Catholic accusations over the years but this one profoundly surprises me.
PEllen

Chicago, IL

#76377 Nov 27, 2012
loose cannon wrote:
Pellen,
I've always liked Loyola.
They serve a community of over several million people.
You are the subject matter expert on this one. Are there religious restrictions on administration of medication for pain relief in Catholic hospitals?
PEllen

Chicago, IL

#76378 Nov 27, 2012
edogxxx wrote:
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Forgive me, my comment was regarding HEALTH insurance. Health insurance. Sorry for not explicitly qualifying that.
Why do you distinguish between the source of illness or injury to decide whether insurance should be mandatory?

If I break my leg at work the employer is compelled to provide coverage for medical care, but if I break my leg at home they do not?

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Braidwood, IL

#76379 Nov 27, 2012
PEllen wrote:
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Why do you distinguish between the source of illness or injury to decide whether insurance should be mandatory?
If I break my leg at work the employer is compelled to provide coverage for medical care, but if I break my leg at home they do not?
Is getting knocked up a source of illness or injury?(well, it can be both if it's done by me, but that's besides the point)

And is it happening at home or at work?

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#76380 Nov 28, 2012
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
As for the racist policies of our government, NUMEROUS city officials have gone on record for past decisions,*admitting* that freeways and other major infrastructure were purposely done in black neighborhoods, because they didn't have the voting power to stop it.
Actually, you didn't say racist policies of our government, you said racist policies of the republican party, as it exists today.

Now to support your unfounded and ridiculous statement that the republican party is racist you point to shyte that happened 40 or 50 years ago. Not only that, buy you point to "city officials".

How the do you know what political party these "city officials" were associated with? They could have just as well been democrats as republicans. <face palm>

You wanna talk about my lawyering skills, but all I can say is good thing you aren't a lawyer. You'd just embarrass yourself or worse yet, get disbarred for incompetence. Were you drinking all day yesterday, or something?

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#76381 Nov 28, 2012
Jess in NJ wrote:
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Difference between a candidate who didn't get past the primaries stating something and it being an official party plank.
Romney was not opposed to birth control being covered by insurance. He was opposed to religious employers being forced to carry insurance policies that provided coverage for birth control. He said that was violating the separation of church and state.
This.

Romney and Ryan aside, all she has done is named few nut jobs from the republican party, who are not mainstream, and then applies their extremist views to the entire republican party.

In terms of Romney and Ryan all she has done is distorted their views. In her mind, if you don't support abortion you hate women. It couldn't possibly because rather than hating women you see a fetus as an unborn living person, who shouldn't be murdered by their mom. Nope, it's cause you hate women.

Since: Mar 09

Miami, FL

#76382 Nov 28, 2012
Well, at least we got the conversation going in here again! I was worried for a few days, it was too quiet. Don't leave me now, gang.

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#76383 Nov 28, 2012
50 most awkward pregnancy phots:

http://worldwideinterweb.com/photos/item/1733... {%2210151196079043089%22%3A178 863718912457}&action_type_ map={%2210151196079043089%22%3 A%22og.likes%22}&action_re f_map

I'd say they're safe for work.

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#76384 Nov 28, 2012
j_m_w wrote:
Well, at least we got the conversation going in here again! I was worried for a few days, it was too quiet. Don't leave me now, gang.
I wonder where tonka and cycle are!

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#76385 Nov 28, 2012
Holy crap, look at the picture of the sister from that 70s show:

http://tv.yahoo.com/photos/hpt_lisarobinkelly...

Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#76386 Nov 28, 2012
PEllen wrote:
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There are ethical and religious directives from the Conference of Catholic Bishops addressing pain medication?
I am aware there are edicts against hastening end of life and abortion, but I am seriously surprised that the Bishops would limit use of pain medication for pain relief.
If you have a specific entry you can cite, I would very much like to see it. I have heard any number of anti-Catholic accusations over the years but this one profoundly surprises me.
Yes. Now, who in the Church limits it, I don't know but what I found on the website jives with what I've experienced and other people I know experienced. You are only allowed medication when you are dilated between 5 (I think) and 7 and they give you demerol. I experienced it first hand when I had my son by c-section after 30 hours of labor at a Catholic hospital. The only time I was not in extreme pain was as I was leaving and my doctor gave me a tylenol 3. I wouldn't know how closely all Catholic hospitals/doctors follow it in every hospital, however.

“Fort Kickass”

Since: Sep 09

Bloomington, IL

#76387 Nov 28, 2012
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
50 most awkward pregnancy phots:
http://worldwideinterweb.com/photos/item/1733... {%2210151196079043089%22%3A178 863718912457}&action_type_ map={%2210151196079043089%22%3 A%22og.likes%22}&action_re f_map
I'd say they're safe for work.
That is one trend I just...don't...get. I don't pose for pictures with an exposed belly while *not* pregnant, I'm sure as hell not going to do it while pregnant.

“bELieve”

Since: Jun 09

Location hidden

#76388 Nov 28, 2012
I may have posted this last year, but for all the parents/aunts/uncles who let their kids believe in Santa Clause, this is a fun site:

http://www.portablenorthpole.com/home
PEllen

Chicago, IL

#76389 Nov 28, 2012
Toj wrote:
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Yes. Now, who in the Church limits it, I don't know but what I found on the website jives with what I've experienced and other people I know experienced. You are only allowed medication when you are dilated between 5 (I think) and 7 and they give you demerol. I experienced it first hand when I had my son by c-section after 30 hours of labor at a Catholic hospital. The only time I was not in extreme pain was as I was leaving and my doctor gave me a tylenol 3. I wouldn't know how closely all Catholic hospitals/doctors follow it in every hospital, however.
That may be a hospital protocol rather than a Church edict. My sister trained at Loyola.I will run this past her.

“bELieve”

Since: Jun 09

Location hidden

#76390 Nov 28, 2012
Toj wrote:
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Yes. Now, who in the Church limits it, I don't know but what I found on the website jives with what I've experienced and other people I know experienced. You are only allowed medication when you are dilated between 5 (I think) and 7 and they give you demerol. I experienced it first hand when I had my son by c-section after 30 hours of labor at a Catholic hospital. The only time I was not in extreme pain was as I was leaving and my doctor gave me a tylenol 3. I wouldn't know how closely all Catholic hospitals/doctors follow it in every hospital, however.
I wasn't allowed an epidural until I was almost fully dilated and I wasn't in a Catholic hospital. I know we are only going on anecdotes here, but from talking to the nurses, I was told that they don't like medicating pregnant women any more than they have to and the meds do wear off, so medicating too early is something they try to avoid in general.

Were you breast feeding after you gave birth? I know I'm getting a little personal here, but that would affect the meds that you were prescribed. They didn't give you any medication after your c-section? That is strange - my SIL had her son in a Catholic hospital - 24 hours in labor, which ended in a c-section after several hours of active labor. She received pain medication as soon as she woke up.

The biggest concern that my friends have experienced with the Catholic hospital around here is that they will not perform tubal ligations (understandably, since it goes against the Church's stance on birth control). I have a friend who has 4 children and had several miscarriages in between. She was told by her doctor during the last pregnancy that she had severe scarring from her c-sections and her life could be in jeopardy if she got pregnant again. She asked if she could have her tubes tied when the baby was delivered so that she did not have to schedule a separate surgery for that. The hospital would not allow it. I honestly don't remember how she resolved the issue, though I know that it is now resolved and she will not be having any more children unless they adopt (which they are planning on doing).

I understand that in some areas that would be a big issue. Where we live, there is a secular hospital 5 blocks down the street from that Catholic hospital. Both are excellent hospitals, too.

“bELieve”

Since: Jun 09

Location hidden

#76391 Nov 28, 2012
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
50 most awkward pregnancy phots:
http://worldwideinterweb.com/photos/item/1733... {%2210151196079043089%22%3A178 863718912457}&action_type_ map={%2210151196079043089%22%3 A%22og.likes%22}&action_re f_map
I'd say they're safe for work.
I've seen some of those before, but they are all just WRONG, on so many levels.

That last pic looks photoshopped, though.

Since: Mar 09

Miami, FL

#76392 Nov 28, 2012
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
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I wonder where tonka and cycle are!
I know, I miss them. Especially after the Florida-FSU game last weekend.
;)

Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#76393 Nov 28, 2012
Jess in NJ wrote:
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I wasn't allowed an epidural until I was almost fully dilated and I wasn't in a Catholic hospital. I know we are only going on anecdotes here, but from talking to the nurses, I was told that they don't like medicating pregnant women any more than they have to and the meds do wear off, so medicating too early is something they try to avoid in general.
Were you breast feeding after you gave birth? I know I'm getting a little personal here, but that would affect the meds that you were prescribed. They didn't give you any medication after your c-section? That is strange - my SIL had her son in a Catholic hospital - 24 hours in labor, which ended in a c-section after several hours of active labor. She received pain medication as soon as she woke up.
The biggest concern that my friends have experienced with the Catholic hospital around here is that they will not perform tubal ligations (understandably, since it goes against the Church's stance on birth control). I have a friend who has 4 children and had several miscarriages in between. She was told by her doctor during the last pregnancy that she had severe scarring from her c-sections and her life could be in jeopardy if she got pregnant again. She asked if she could have her tubes tied when the baby was delivered so that she did not have to schedule a separate surgery for that. The hospital would not allow it. I honestly don't remember how she resolved the issue, though I know that it is now resolved and she will not be having any more children unless they adopt (which they are planning on doing).
I understand that in some areas that would be a big issue. Where we live, there is a secular hospital 5 blocks down the street from that Catholic hospital. Both are excellent hospitals, too.
No, wasn't planning to breastfeed (and didn't) b/c of the c-section.

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#76394 Nov 28, 2012
Jess in NJ wrote:
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I've seen some of those before, but they are all just WRONG, on so many levels.
That last pic looks photoshopped, though.
One a few spots above that, with the husband holding the wife's belly and the dog's nose right there? WEird.

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