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“bELieve”

Since: Jun 09

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#75746 Nov 8, 2012
RACE wrote:
<quoted text>People who live on the beach or in flood prone area's need to be cognizant of the fact that storms can ruin them, no matter where that beach or flood plain is.

I have empathy but storms wash away beaches and anything on them, it is a fact. The people inland knew a major storm was coming and did not prepare, again, I feel your pain, but you should have prepared. The idiots in NY were lining up for gas, and waited for hours for a few gallons, but if they had driven north 90 miles they could have had more gas then they knew what to do with.
If a natural disaster wipes out entire towns, especially multiple towns in one state, I will do something (even if all I can do is make a small donation) to help the recovery effort. I may be upset with the people who ignored the mandatory evacuation warnings, but I still believe that we are a stronger country when we come together to help each other in times of need.

As for driving 90 miles to get gas, the roads are not all safe and you would waste 90 miles worth of gas driving home. The point is to have as many gallons of gas in your car as possible because they did warn us about this nor'easter. They have been letting us fill our tanks and the lines are gone now. The roads are still bad, though. A lot of trees and wires came down last night.

Since: Aug 08

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#75747 Nov 8, 2012
PEllen wrote:
<quoted text>Didn't they?
Who is they? Are we still talking about the dead white people who have junk like me and who used to run this country? If we are, do two wrongs make a right?

Wouldn't you say it reflects poorly upon me if you were running for office and I refused to vote for you, primarily because you are woman and your opponent is a man like me? Wouldn't I be labeled all sorts of names by folks?

Since: Aug 08

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#75748 Nov 8, 2012
RACE wrote:
People who live on the beach or in flood prone area's need to be cognizant of the fact that storms can ruin them, no matter where that beach or flood plain is.
I have empathy but storms wash away beaches and anything on them, it is a fact. The people inland knew a major storm was coming and did not prepare, again, I feel your pain, but you should have prepared. The idiots in NY were lining up for gas, and waited for hours for a few gallons, but if they had driven north 90 miles they could have had more gas then they knew what to do with.
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That's what I don't get. They told folks to get out. Why don't folks just drive a few hours away and stay at a hotel or with friends?
PEllen

Chicago, IL

#75749 Nov 8, 2012
Sublime1 wrote:
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Who is they? Are we still talking about the dead white people who have junk like me and who used to run this country? If we are, do two wrongs make a right?
Wouldn't you say it reflects poorly upon me if you were running for office and I refused to vote for you, primarily because you are woman and your opponent is a man like me? Wouldn't I be labeled all sorts of names by folks?
Lots of people vote based on externals esepcially when they don't know or are not confident of their knowledge of teh issues and teh candidates.

In Cook County, people running for office, especially judge have changed their name to include an Irish name because Irishmen and Jewish names are elected

“bELieve”

Since: Jun 09

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#75750 Nov 8, 2012
Sublime1 wrote:
<quoted text>That's what I don't get. They told folks to get out. Why don't folks just drive a few hours away and stay at a hotel or with friends?
People in some shore towns were told to get out. Inland towns weren't evacuated, but many had extensive damage due to wind or rivers overflowing their banks and still don't have power. We have houses in our town that were shifted off their foundation and are no longer habitable (I live in Woodbridge Township). The town of Sayreville was completely destroyed. Look on a map. No reason to think that we would have experienced such damage. We are not shore towns.

Also, we have had hurricanes before. This was beyond anything that people had experienced around here. Even if people evacuated, what do they do now that they have no homes to go back to? They are living in shelters and have no possessions. Insurance isn't going to replace everything.

“What's it to ya?”

Since: Mar 09

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#75751 Nov 8, 2012
Sublime1 wrote:
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It's not human nature to be racist.
Anthropologically speaking, racism is kind of inherent. Yes, no one is born with prejudice per se, however we innately prefer to be with those who are most like us. Not everyone, but the majority. It's like a chimpanzee food call...something that can not be helped, it's instinctive. It has to do with danger of the "other" who is not like us.

If you think of it like concentric rings, we as ego are the center then it's our immediate family circling us, then extended family, then friends, acquaintances, coworkers, etc., then the general public, then (in my case) Washitonians, then Americans, then North Americans, then Western Hemispher-ers, and so on, eventually Earthlings...Solar system...galaxy....and on and on. The closer to, and more like Ego, the more the comfort level and the more we will cheer on "X" because he/she is like us.

“The two baby belly, please!”

Since: Sep 09

Evanston IL

#75752 Nov 8, 2012
PEllen wrote:
<quoted text>Lots of people vote based on externals esepcially when they don't know or are not confident of their knowledge of teh issues and teh candidates.
In Cook County, people running for office, especially judge have changed their name to include an Irish name because Irishmen and Jewish names are elected
Ha! I specifically chose Irish names to NOT be retained.

I'm fed up with Daley's but now I get to work with one. A nephew was elected to the MWRD board.

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#75753 Nov 8, 2012
Please, dont think me heartless. I helped many of my neighbors, but I dont stuff money into nameless boxes or a firemans boot. Too much corruption. I give to the red cross.

After wilma I drove to Sebring (150 miles). My truck gets 17 on the hwy so that was 8 gallons going up. bought food (2 coolers worth), gas(for the truck) and 70 gallons of gas for my generator. Then on the way back stopped at a national guard setup and got MRE's, ice and blue tarps (huge ones). So the net result is that I used 8 gallons of gas (the return trip) to acquire 70 gallons of fuel and supplies. Any my truck (26 gal) still had 18 gallons of fuel too. Ok, probably less, I was loaded down.

Meanwhile back in broward, people waited all day in lines to get 10 gallons of gas (it was rationed). They did not plan or prepare and I had no desire to help them.
Jess in NJ wrote:
<quoted text>
If a natural disaster wipes out entire towns, especially multiple towns in one state, I will do something (even if all I can do is make a small donation) to help the recovery effort. I may be upset with the people who ignored the mandatory evacuation warnings, but I still believe that we are a stronger country when we come together to help each other in times of need.
As for driving 90 miles to get gas, the roads are not all safe and you would waste 90 miles worth of gas driving home. The point is to have as many gallons of gas in your car as possible because they did warn us about this nor'easter. They have been letting us fill our tanks and the lines are gone now. The roads are still bad, though. A lot of trees and wires came down last night.

Since: Aug 08

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#75754 Nov 8, 2012
Mimi Seattle wrote:
<quoted text>
Anthropologically speaking, racism is kind of inherent. Yes, no one is born with prejudice per se, however we innately prefer to be with those who are most like us. Not everyone, but the majority. It's like a chimpanzee food call...something that can not be helped, it's instinctive. It has to do with danger of the "other" who is not like us.
If you think of it like concentric rings, we as ego are the center then it's our immediate family circling us, then extended family, then friends, acquaintances, coworkers, etc., then the general public, then (in my case) Washitonians, then Americans, then North Americans, then Western Hemispher-ers, and so on, eventually Earthlings...Solar system...galaxy....and on and on. The closer to, and more like Ego, the more the comfort level and the more we will cheer on "X" because he/she is like us.
That's a very big generalization. There are many folks who actually prefer to date folks outside of their ethnicity. I also would not be more likely to vote for someone who is a white male than someone who is not. Although, now that it seems everyone else in the world does this, maybe I should only vote for white men and be proud of it.

Since: Aug 08

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#75755 Nov 8, 2012
PEllen wrote:
<quoted text>Lots of people vote based on externals esepcially when they don't know or are not confident of their knowledge of teh issues and teh candidates.
In Cook County, people running for office, especially judge have changed their name to include an Irish name because Irishmen and Jewish names are elected
So it's perfectly okay if I don't vote for women, just cause they are women? This is who I should aspire to be?

Since: Jan 10

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#75756 Nov 8, 2012
I think the voting along gender/race/other lines happens more when it's a new thing -- like blacks voting for Obama because he's one of them. And I'm sure there was plenty of that this week. but the novelty is fading. Kind of like, once we get a woman in the white house, a couple of terms later, gender won't be a big deal, either.

Since: Aug 08

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#75757 Nov 8, 2012
Jess in NJ wrote:
<quoted text>
People in some shore towns were told to get out. Inland towns weren't evacuated, but many had extensive damage due to wind or rivers overflowing their banks and still don't have power. We have houses in our town that were shifted off their foundation and are no longer habitable (I live in Woodbridge Township). The town of Sayreville was completely destroyed. Look on a map. No reason to think that we would have experienced such damage. We are not shore towns.
Also, we have had hurricanes before. This was beyond anything that people had experienced around here. Even if people evacuated, what do they do now that they have no homes to go back to? They are living in shelters and have no possessions. Insurance isn't going to replace everything.
It sounds like they didn't do a very good job of forecasting the severity, then.

Since: Jan 10

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#75758 Nov 8, 2012
PEllen wrote:
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Every group likes to see one of its own make it to the top. Catholics were giddy when Al Smith ran and giddier when Kennedy won. The Irish too. It is not bigotry at that point, it is solidarity. I see a difference
I see it as "solidarity" as well.

Since: Jan 10

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#75760 Nov 8, 2012
PEllen wrote:
<quoted text>Lots of people vote based on externals esepcially when they don't know or are not confident of their knowledge of teh issues and teh candidates.
In Cook County, people running for office, especially judge have changed their name to include an Irish name because Irishmen and Jewish names are elected
Here in MN, women running for office will insert their birth name if it's Scandinavian. "Marie Skaarsgaard Johnson." They want voters to know they're Scandinavian.

“Fort Kickass”

Since: Sep 09

Bloomington, IL

#75761 Nov 8, 2012
I've found a newfound enjoyment in dining alone. I'm starving and can't decide where to go. Still sticking to the low-carb thing, so that limits my options.

Strongly considering Outback. I love their salads. And their steaks, covered in blue cheese.

“bELieve”

Since: Jun 09

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#75762 Nov 8, 2012
Matilda77 wrote:
I've found a newfound enjoyment in dining alone. I'm starving and can't decide where to go. Still sticking to the low-carb thing, so that limits my options.

Strongly considering Outback. I love their salads. And their steaks, covered in blue cheese.
Oh my god, that sounds so good! I just ate lunch and now I'm hungry again

“What's it to ya?”

Since: Mar 09

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#75763 Nov 8, 2012
Sublime1 wrote:
<quoted text>
That's a very big generalization. There are many folks who actually prefer to date folks outside of their ethnicity. I also would not be more likely to vote for someone who is a white male than someone who is not. Although, now that it seems everyone else in the world does this, maybe I should only vote for white men and be proud of it.
Warning: Sublime length post:

It is a generalization. I did say that not all people are like this. I am saying that it is a primordial instinct and it takes work to get past the desire to surround ourselves with only our "own kind."

Not really relating it to politics, just responding to the "not human nature to be racist" comment....it really kinda is, if we define "racism" as those not like Ego, so in my case, it would mean not female, not white, not American, among other things.

I am a thoughtful (not as in thinking about other people, as in think too much about relatively obscure crap) enough person to control my own instinct to surround myself with only those like me, and I think most people are.

However, I am aware of it and in order to control it, one needs to *be* aware of it, and I don't think most people are, since it's mostly something talked about in academic, anthropological, and psychological groups and most people are too busy making a living to spend time discussing all the ins and outs of evolution and the human psyche. <shrug> I am saying only that it is instinct.

FWIW I agree with you that it's racist to vote only for those you identify with on a superficial level rather than based on their individual character, accomplishments, etc., but I wasn't really speaking to that, just looking at WHY some (probably most really) people would do that...even though they don't realize they are doing it.

I also think that most people don't want to be that shallow, and if they realize they are doing it, allowing this visceral reaction to control their choices, they would work at controlling it.

So, in conclusion, it is an innate thing. We are capable of controlling it. Most of us don't really realize that we *are* doing it when we do it because it is such a part of who we are as a species, ergo we tend to make choices (like voting for the black guy or they white guy or the woman or the man) instinctively, even though we would argue that we don't.

Intellectually we don't want to be like that because we know that character is more important than skin color. Most of us would, if we were aware of it, actively try to control that kind of knee jerk response (IMO). Some of us wouldn't.

I agree with you that the guy on NPR is racist and that it's a stupid way to make a decision. This is not directed at you. My original comment was scientific not political. <shrug>

Since: Jan 10

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#75764 Nov 8, 2012
I'd say MAYBE the guy's racist, if he never voted for a white man (which meant, he just didn't vote) based on race. But he probably has voted for white guys all this time, but once he got a black candidate, he was all over that.

“Fort Kickass”

Since: Sep 09

Bloomington, IL

#75765 Nov 8, 2012
Jess in NJ wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh my god, that sounds so good! I just ate lunch and now I'm hungry again
Couldn't go. 2:00 meeting got moved up to 1:00. Probably better that way, I didn't really need to spend $30 on lunch.

I recently discovered that you can order them online and then pick up without leaving the car. They will be getting a lot more of my money that way.

“It made sense at the time....”

Since: May 09

Schaumburg, IL

#75766 Nov 8, 2012
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
The average person has 67 species (!) living in his belly button.
and now, somethign completely different.... ;-)

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