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Sublime1 wrote:
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Including so that folks can quit their jobs and pursue their musical talents, right?
how about full-time musicians who have to move in order to get affordable health care? As in, move to other countries?

Everyone deserves health care. We're the odd man out in not providing it.

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I am highly suspect of a situation where one is completely blind sided by this. Not having known this person, I will assume what you say to be true. However, even in that case, for every 1 person like this, there are 9 people who have made very poor choices in life.
I heartily congratulate you on your choice of parents to be born to and raised by. Parents who loved you and taught you well. Good job. Others have obviously not made choices of parentage as wisely as you.

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RedheadwGlasses wrote:
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I don't believe it. People in the U.K. and Canada LIKE their health care. Doctors like practicing there.
This. Everyone I've met who lives in a country with UHC is quite pleased with the care. Anyone with the money to spare can pay for more specialized care and don't have to be patient like the working stiffs and unemployed who must deal with waiting for ELECTIVE surgery. ELECTIVE surgery.
NOBODY must wait or just 'deal' with broken bones, or serious injury. If you're injured, go to hospital and they'll reduce your fracture or stitch you up.
Just found out (like a minute ago) that a dear friend found a lump, and the biopsy says it's cancer. Thank FSM she's CANADIAN and won't have to worry about going bankrupt just to pay for lifesaving treatment.

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#75595
Nov 6, 2012
 
Oh, and she didn't have to wait months to see a doctor. I don't know where that fairy tale comes from. She found the lump and has already had the biopsy, and they're planning treatment now, all that in two weeks.
My friends who live in socialist countries are happy with their systems, too.
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You know I really wish it were all about what is the definition of a "basic safety net." I honestly think if left to their own devices democrats would know no practical limit when it comes to this.
When you've got the speaker of the house saying folks should quit their job and pursue music knowing that others will work to provide them with insurance ... I almost can't even believe we are even the same species of animal.
Then you've got Obama trying to water down the welfare work requirements:
http://washingtonexaminer.com/gao-confirms-ob...
Didn't we all agree, both moderates from the left (including Bill Clinton) and right, in the 90s, on those welfare work requirements?
Unless we have recently moved to an autocratic form of government ( one person in charge of policy and law), the statements of an indvidual--other than the President-- have to be taken in context.

Even the President , who can set policy, must craft legislation and convince the rest of the bicameral legislature to pass it.

Everyone, on all points of the spectrum, have made statements which taken out of context are absurd. No one from the ilk of Edog to the bosum of Angela is immune from that. I am not buying that Nancy Pelosi seriously wants to have complete public assistance for the entire Juilliard class. I do agree that a crummy second trombone shouldn't die young from TB because he can't afford medical care.

I would like to see univeral health care. I don't see that as coddling the lazy unwashed masses. To me that is part of the basic safety net.

I also know that the business model for an insurance plan requires that people with low possibility of making a claim be in the pool with the people with a high possibility of making the claim. If you are healthy it is hard to see why you individually should pay for something you don't expect to use.If you can come up with a business model to address this, have at it. You can be the next Hank Greenberg. I think it is fair for government to coerce that participation for the greater good of American society. It falls into the same category as a forced income tax, forced Social Security deductions, forced car insurance.All those serve a social need.

Where the hell is Cycle when we need him?
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Typical headinyourass comment. People in Canada HATE their healthcare system because it takes months to see a doctor. Many Canadians come HERE for medical treatment. And ask any doctor, America is the best place in the WORLD for practicing, why do you think so many drs here are foreigners?
No.
My ex BIL is a Canadian physician.
My sister had cancer treatment while living in Canada.

Canada has a list of conditions and ailments that they deem elective to treat. Some of those are ( or were) different from what US patients see as elective. The FDA has a variety of procedures which they do not allow but which Canada does. There has been medical tourism to my personal knowledge since the mid 1970's and longer than that for controversial procedures like abortions.

The women who took thalidomide in the 1960's were medical tourists, usually to Sweden

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Nov 6, 2012
 
PEllen wrote:
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Unless we have recently moved to an autocratic form of government ( one person in charge of policy and law), the statements of an indvidual--other than the President-- have to be taken in context.
Even the President , who can set policy, must craft legislation and convince the rest of the bicameral legislature to pass it.
Everyone, on all points of the spectrum, have made statements which taken out of context are absurd. No one from the ilk of Edog to the bosum of Angela is immune from that. I am not buying that Nancy Pelosi seriously wants to have complete public assistance for the entire Juilliard class. I do agree that a crummy second trombone shouldn't die young from TB because he can't afford medical care.
I would like to see univeral health care. I don't see that as coddling the lazy unwashed masses. To me that is part of the basic safety net.
I also know that the business model for an insurance plan requires that people with low possibility of making a claim be in the pool with the people with a high possibility of making the claim. If you are healthy it is hard to see why you individually should pay for something you don't expect to use.If you can come up with a business model to address this, have at it. You can be the next Hank Greenberg. I think it is fair for government to coerce that participation for the greater good of American society. It falls into the same category as a forced income tax, forced Social Security deductions, forced car insurance.All those serve a social need.
Where the hell is Cycle when we need him?
What's this about Angela's bosom?

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PEllen wrote:
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Unless we have recently moved to an autocratic form of government ( one person in charge of policy and law), the statements of an indvidual--other than the President-- have to be taken in context.
Even the President , who can set policy, must craft legislation and convince the rest of the bicameral legislature to pass it.
Everyone, on all points of the spectrum, have made statements which taken out of context are absurd. No one from the ilk of Edog to the bosum of Angela is immune from that. I am not buying that Nancy Pelosi seriously wants to have complete public assistance for the entire Juilliard class. I do agree that a crummy second trombone shouldn't die young from TB because he can't afford medical care.
I would like to see univeral health care. I don't see that as coddling the lazy unwashed masses. To me that is part of the basic safety net.
I also know that the business model for an insurance plan requires that people with low possibility of making a claim be in the pool with the people with a high possibility of making the claim. If you are healthy it is hard to see why you individually should pay for something you don't expect to use.If you can come up with a business model to address this, have at it. You can be the next Hank Greenberg. I think it is fair for government to coerce that participation for the greater good of American society. It falls into the same category as a forced income tax, forced Social Security deductions, forced car insurance.All those serve a social need.
Where the hell is Cycle when we need him?
Where does the savings go? When you eliminate welfare, unemployment etc. and make Medicare a voucher and SS a 401k, where does that money go? Republicans tend to only care about infrastructure when Bridges To Nowhere are in someone's pocket so, it probably won't go there. And while people are eating from dumpsters or foraging in the forests thanks to all that freed-up cash, who will handle all those savings and what will they do with the cash? What will they do...

Eh. Might be a moot point. I like Obama's chances. If it's Rmoney, some day next year we'll find out what his policies are. No one knows now, including him. His benefactors will let him know, when he needs to know.

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So I had to pick my younger son up at dy car today. There is a oor from the back yard into the building. I was walking ahed of him and got to the door but he was not with me. Stopped to get a drinkat the fountain. As I waited, a mom was headed toward the door with her kid. I opened the door for her and smiled. She barely looked at me and did not even sa thank you.

Bitch was wearing a Romney shirt. Take that however you want.

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Nov 6, 2012
 
Mister Tonka wrote:
So I had to pick my younger son up at dy car today. There is a oor from the back yard into the building. I was walking ahed of him and got to the door but he was not with me. Stopped to get a drinkat the fountain. As I waited, a mom was headed toward the door with her kid. I opened the door for her and smiled. She barely looked at me and did not even sa thank you.

Bitch was wearing a Romney shirt. Take that however you want.

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Friend of mine went with her friend and her daughter trick or treating. They were noticing people with Romney signs in their yard were pretty stingy with the candy, whereas Obama sign people were a bit more generous with the treats. I laughed, because although we don't have any signs, we gave out candy, toys,*and* glow sticks...

Take that however you want, too.
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Ferrerman wrote:
<quoted text>Where does the savings go? When you eliminate welfare, unemployment etc. and make Medicare a voucher and SS a 401k, where does that money go? Republicans tend to only care about infrastructure when Bridges To Nowhere are in someone's pocket so, it probably won't go there. And while people are eating from dumpsters or foraging in the forests thanks to all that freed-up cash, who will handle all those savings and what will they do with the cash? What will they do...
Eh. Might be a moot point. I like Obama's chances. If it's Rmoney, some day next year we'll find out what his policies are. No one knows now, including him. His benefactors will let him know, when he needs to know.
I think Romney did a good job as governor in Massachusetts. If he had run on that record I would have supported him.
He needed to cater to the conservative base and has now said things which disavow what he did in Mass. So as far as I can see he is a man with business experience but no track record ingovernment. I think the two are very differnt and just because you are good in one does not mean you are competeent in the other.

If Romney wins, all I can hope for is that he will do teh same things he did as governor. The right will call him Judas and teh country will survive.

My crystal ball has greasy thumbprints on it. We will see.
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PEllen wrote:
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I think Romney did a good job as governor in Massachusetts. If he had run on that record I would have supported him.
He needed to cater to the conservative base and has now said things which disavow what he did in Mass. So as far as I can see he is a man with business experience but no track record ingovernment. I think the two are very differnt and just because you are good in one does not mean you are competeent in the other.
If Romney wins, all I can hope for is that he will do teh same things he did as governor. The right will call him Judas and teh country will survive.
My crystal ball has greasy thumbprints on it. We will see.
ifm he did such a good job, why was he so soundly rejected there?

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PEllen wrote:
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I think Romney did a good job as governor in Massachusetts. If he had run on that record I would have supported him.
He needed to cater to the conservative base and has now said things which disavow what he did in Mass. So as far as I can see he is a man with business experience but no track record ingovernment. I think the two are very differnt and just because you are good in one does not mean you are competeent in the other.
If Romney wins, all I can hope for is that he will do teh same things he did as governor. The right will call him Judas and teh country will survive.
My crystal ball has greasy thumbprints on it. We will see.
I have to disagree. Rmoney was a one term governor because they caught on to him pretty quick. Instead of raising taxes, he raised fees on EVERYTHING. A rose by any other name... They were happy with Healthcare but were 47th in job growth. He didn't seek a second term because he knew he was toast.

He's no more a businessman than a mob boss is. He knows how to make money using other peoples money. If there were a Rmoney Industries, I could respect that. His father was before my time but he ran a brick and mortar business, that made things- cars- and employed people. Mitt doesn't work that way.

Nice that he moved towards the center but, that's what you do to get elected. Had he done that in the primaries, we'd have seen Anybody But Rmoney running right now. He's in deep to serious plutocrats and they are who he would answer too...if he were to be elected.
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what's up my main ferrerman?!

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Lord Fetch wrote:
what's up my main ferrerman?!
FETCH!!!

We're looking good, eh?

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Nov 6, 2012
 
WOO HOO!!! I'm buying celebratory doughnuts for six of us. And commisseration doughnuts for the other 60 people.

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Mister Tonka wrote:
So I had to pick my younger son up at dy car today. There is a oor from the back yard into the building. I was walking ahed of him and got to the door but he was not with me. Stopped to get a drinkat the fountain. As I waited, a mom was headed toward the door with her kid. I opened the door for her and smiled. She barely looked at me and did not even sa thank you.
Bitch was wearing a Romney shirt. Take that however you want.
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Heh.

But still... I hate when liberals drive stupid on the road (liberal = based on their bumper stickers). I feel ilke, "Hey, you need to represent!"

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#75609
Nov 6, 2012
 
Sorry, Jess, Jamwow, Sub, others. I know how it feels to lose.(Grrrr Al Gore!) You get to mope for a day or two. I would.

I'm taking doughnuts to work tomorrow for everyone, if that helps.

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Nov 6, 2012
 
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
WOO HOO!!! I'm buying celebratory doughnuts for six of us. And commisseration doughnuts for the other 60 people.
Foxnews.com was the first website to declare Obama the winner. That was about 10:15 CST. I am not counting chickens just yet (It is 11 CST)

I am very glad that the Repub senatorial candidates in Mo and In lost. The roaring idiot Joe Walsh R for the NW suburbs of Chicago lost and apparently conceded graciously which I did not expect of him.

Eliz Warren seems to have won in Mass taking back Teddy Kennedy's seat.

The websites are reporting that the races where teh superpacs poured in money seemed to be going to the opposite candidate. I will hold judgement on that

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Nov 6, 2012
 
Colorado legalized pot?

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