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Since: Jan 10

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#75563 Nov 6, 2012
edogxxx wrote:
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Yes, because I'm opposed to socialism, I must also be opposed to all social programs.
Sounds like it.
edogxxx wrote:
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Just like people who are opposed to gay marriage MUST be homophobes. What a narrow minded world you live in.
Pretty much.

Since: Jan 10

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#75564 Nov 6, 2012
Wow, some tear jerker stories here:

http://www.donatelifefloat.org/prod/component...

It's about the 2013 Rose Bowl parade float dedicated to organ donation, featuring recipients, with photos of donors, including Matt Logelin's ("Two Kisses for Maddy") wife, Liz.

Since: Aug 08

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#75565 Nov 6, 2012
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
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Tough shit. There are families/people out there struggling, AND WORKING, and they need more help. Deal with it.
Maybe they should examine the personal decisions they made in life, make better choices in the future, and work extra hard to get them out of the hole that they dug for themselves (I know, but it is so much easier if other folks do that extra work to get you out of the hole that YOU dug, and heck, you are entitled to this, so why not <sarcasm>).

I point out, no one forces a person to have a family that they can't afford. I also point out that no one forces a person to get married when they can't even care for themselves. I personally think it is irresponsible to do so and don't have a great deal of sympathy for such folks.

I know personal responsibility is a foreign concept to some, but many of us feel we have our own families to care for and we shouldn't be burdened with doing more and more and more and more for folks who want an ever increasing amount of handouts, or "help" as you like to call it.

Democrat mindset: Whaaa, whaaa, whaaa, I'm struggling - someone else do the work to make me not struggle. I'm entitled to this.

Since: Jan 10

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#75566 Nov 6, 2012
Sublime1 wrote:
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Maybe they should examine the personal decisions they made in life, make better choices in the future, and work extra hard to get them out of the hole that they dug for themselves (I know, but it is so much easier if other folks do that extra work to get you out of the hole that YOU dug, and heck, you are entitled to this, so why not <sarcasm>).
I point out, no one forces a person to have a family that they can't afford. I also point out that no one forces a person to get married when they can't even care for themselves. I personally think it is irresponsible to do so and don't have a great deal of sympathy for such folks.
I know personal responsibility is a foreign concept to some, but many of us feel we have our own families to care for and we shouldn't be burdened with doing more and more and more and more for folks who want an ever increasing amount of handouts, or "help" as you like to call it.
Democrat mindset: Whaaa, whaaa, whaaa, I'm struggling - someone else do the work to make me not struggle. I'm entitled to this.
Yup, maybe they shoulda cuolda woulda. But they didn't. now there are kids. And since my fabulous idea of children's homes won't be popular enough to take hold, we're stuck with helping those kids whether we want to or not.

And I assure you, that is not a democrat thing. Thereare PLENTY of people accepting financial help who vote republican.

Since: Jun 09

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#75567 Nov 6, 2012
Sublime1 wrote:
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Maybe they should examine the personal decisions they made in life, make better choices in the future, and work extra hard to get them out of the hole that they dug for themselves (I know, but it is so much easier if other folks do that extra work to get you out of the hole that YOU dug, and heck, you are entitled to this, so why not <sarcasm>).
I point out, no one forces a person to have a family that they can't afford. I also point out that no one forces a person to get married when they can't even care for themselves. I personally think it is irresponsible to do so and don't have a great deal of sympathy for such folks.
I know personal responsibility is a foreign concept to some, but many of us feel we have our own families to care for and we shouldn't be burdened with doing more and more and more and more for folks who want an ever increasing amount of handouts, or "help" as you like to call it.
Democrat mindset: Whaaa, whaaa, whaaa, I'm struggling - someone else do the work to make me not struggle. I'm entitled to this.
Tough love, eh buddy?

And yet you believe a government should enforce this and make your life that much better.

Sheesh.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Chicago, IL

#75568 Nov 6, 2012
Sam I Am wrote:
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So she's narrow minded for not being open to how narrow minded you are? Dipwad.
What makes you think I'm narrow minded?

“It made sense at the time....”

Since: May 09

Schaumburg, IL

#75569 Nov 6, 2012
Sublime1 wrote:
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Maybe they should examine the personal decisions they made in life, make better choices in the future, and work extra hard to get them out of the hole that they dug for themselves (I know, but it is so much easier if other folks do that extra work to get you out of the hole that YOU dug, and heck, you are entitled to this, so why not <sarcasm>).
I point out, no one forces a person to have a family that they can't afford. I also point out that no one forces a person to get married when they can't even care for themselves. I personally think it is irresponsible to do so and don't have a great deal of sympathy for such folks.
I know personal responsibility is a foreign concept to some, but many of us feel we have our own families to care for and we shouldn't be burdened with doing more and more and more and more for folks who want an ever increasing amount of handouts, or "help" as you like to call it.
Democrat mindset: Whaaa, whaaa, whaaa, I'm struggling - someone else do the work to make me not struggle. I'm entitled to this.
as a counter point to this, and y'all know how often i get into these discussions, i have a friend who has struggled all her life. she struggled through school, found a certificate program and graduated from that after high school. she did marry and have 2 kids, and has always lived modestly. then her husband etiher developed a mental illness or it had been latent and sometihgn triggered it. his illness manifests itself as impulsivity. one day, instead of going to work, he went for a drive. for two days. she had troopers in 3 states watching for his return.

he continued his impulsivity by buying property in other states, changing jobs across the country, quitting on a whim, not following through with treatment and meds, and the like.

she's turned into a single mother, working 2 jobs, to support her kids on her own, and deal with her husband on top of it. at times, he's quit a relatively stable job for a frivolous reason, and after awhile and a lot of her prodding, he's foudn somethng new, but it's a "joe job" at mcdonald's or a gas station. they've had to declare personal bankruptcy because of him. lately, he's been living and working out of state, and i don't trust that he's sending money as he has promised.

her struggles have made me re-examine my attitudes about social services. she has had to go without medical stuff because they don't ahve insurance and (for example) the dentist wont' take installments, they don't have cable or internet, and she's got basic cell service. tehy rent in the country where it's cheaper, so she's spending more on gas and time getting to her jobs. she doesn't need constant assistance, but a boost every now and again will help keep her above water.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Chicago, IL

#75570 Nov 6, 2012
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
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Sounds like it.
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Pretty much.
Told you so.
PEllen

Chicago, IL

#75571 Nov 6, 2012
Sublime1 wrote:
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Maybe they should examine the personal decisions they made in life, make better choices in the future, and work extra hard to get them out of the hole that they dug for themselves (I know, but it is so much easier if other folks do that extra work to get you out of the hole that YOU dug, and heck, you are entitled to this, so why not <sarcasm>).
I point out, no one forces a person to have a family that they can't afford. I also point out that no one forces a person to get married when they can't even care for themselves. I personally think it is irresponsible to do so and don't have a great deal of sympathy for such folks.
I know personal responsibility is a foreign concept to some, but many of us feel we have our own families to care for and we shouldn't be burdened with doing more and more and more and more for folks who want an ever increasing amount of handouts, or "help" as you like to call it.
Democrat mindset: Whaaa, whaaa, whaaa, I'm struggling - someone else do the work to make me not struggle. I'm entitled to this.
As I recall George Romney and his wife accepted welfare fopr a while after they moved back from Mexico.

That was before he was brainwashed of course.

Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

Since: Jul 12

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#75572 Nov 6, 2012
Aisle Sitter wrote:
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she doesn't need constant assistance, but a boost every now and again will help keep her above water.
People forget -- there but for the grace of the flying spaghetti monster go I.

Some people will say "No, not me. Never." I say I hope not b/c then you could not handle it because you think you can control everything. And you can't.

You just never know. We don't know everyone's story who is on assistance. There are a few of everything in the world and plenty of crooks on and off assistance.

As Red said to another poster, don't throw the baby out with the bath water. Try to fix what you can to limit the cheaters. It's so easy to say what you would do when you're not the one facing the day-to-day things in their life.

Since: Aug 08

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#75573 Nov 6, 2012
Ferrerman wrote:
<quoted text>Tough love, eh buddy?
And yet you believe a government should enforce this and make your life that much better.
Sheesh.
Hey, buddy, I've got a son with autism to provide for (and will probably have to make sure he is provided for after my wife and I are gone) and 2 other kids whose future and college I need to worry about. Life has thrown me a few punches too. Forgive me if I concern myself more with those and decide that my sole purpose in life isn't to provide for people and make their life cozy, act as their life insurance policy when that "mayhem" guy strikes, and do everything I can possibly do to help them, even to the detriment of my own family.

Forgive me if I think outside of a basic safety net, it's up to you to get out and get your own.

Since: Aug 08

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#75574 Nov 6, 2012
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
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Yup, maybe they shoulda cuolda woulda. But they didn't. now there are kids. And since my fabulous idea of children's homes won't be popular enough to take hold, we're stuck with helping those kids whether we want to or not.
I see you want to make it all about kids, but it's not really all about kids when you are giving free and subsidized healthcare to GROWN ADULTS making up to 80k a year.

It's also not all about kids when the speaker of the house says that GROWN ADULT musicians or whatever can leave their job, focus on their talent, because they will have healthcare:



This is the same thought process that leads folks to not be embarrassed to be on entitlements. It's like this attitude of "hey, man, other people are providing for me and my family ... that's totally normal ... no need to make any changes or self improvements or I'm just going to quit my job and have other people provide me with health insurance ... nothing wrong here" has just become so pervasive = entitlement to the point of disgust.

Since: Jan 10

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#75575 Nov 6, 2012
Sublime1 wrote:
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I see you want to make it all about kids, but it's not really all about kids when you are giving free and subsidized healthcare to GROWN ADULTS making up to 80k a year.
It's also not all about kids when the speaker of the house says that GROWN ADULT musicians or whatever can leave their job, focus on their talent, because they will have healthcare:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =Hd-iM9WmdgoXX
This is the same thought process that leads folks to not be embarrassed to be on entitlements. It's like this attitude of "hey, man, other people are providing for me and my family ... that's totally normal ... no need to make any changes or self improvements or I'm just going to quit my job and have other people provide me with health insurance ... nothing wrong here" has just become so pervasive = entitlement to the point of disgust.
bark up another tree. I'm 100% behind universal health care, no ifs, ands or buts.

Since: Aug 08

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#75576 Nov 6, 2012
Aisle Sitter wrote:
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as a counter point to this, and y'all know how often i get into these discussions, i have a friend who has struggled all her life. she struggled through school, found a certificate program and graduated from that after high school. she did marry and have 2 kids, and has always lived modestly. then her husband etiher developed a mental illness or it had been latent and sometihgn triggered it. his illness manifests itself as impulsivity. one day, instead of going to work, he went for a drive. for two days. she had troopers in 3 states watching for his return.
he continued his impulsivity by buying property in other states, changing jobs across the country, quitting on a whim, not following through with treatment and meds, and the like.
she's turned into a single mother, working 2 jobs, to support her kids on her own, and deal with her husband on top of it. at times, he's quit a relatively stable job for a frivolous reason, and after awhile and a lot of her prodding, he's foudn somethng new, but it's a "joe job" at mcdonald's or a gas station. they've had to declare personal bankruptcy because of him. lately, he's been living and working out of state, and i don't trust that he's sending money as he has promised.
her struggles have made me re-examine my attitudes about social services. she has had to go without medical stuff because they don't ahve insurance and (for example) the dentist wont' take installments, they don't have cable or internet, and she's got basic cell service. tehy rent in the country where it's cheaper, so she's spending more on gas and time getting to her jobs. she doesn't need constant assistance, but a boost every now and again will help keep her above water.
I am highly suspect of a situation where one is completely blind sided by this. Not having known this person, I will assume what you say to be true. However, even in that case, for every 1 person like this, there are 9 people who have made very poor choices in life.

Since: Aug 08

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#75577 Nov 6, 2012
PEllen wrote:
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As I recall George Romney and his wife accepted welfare fopr a while after they moved back from Mexico.
That was before he was brainwashed of course.
I don't have a problem with folks going on welfare for short periods of time if they are actively working on improving themselves or their situation in life. I do have a problem when folks throw their hands up, accept living on entitlements as a way of life, and are seemingly determined to maintain the status quo or worse.

Since: Aug 08

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#75578 Nov 6, 2012
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
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bark up another tree. I'm 100% behind universal health care, no ifs, ands or buts.
The problem with universal healthcare is that quality will be degraded. Sorry, my life, my wife's life, and my children's lives are worth just as much as the life of a poor person's:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1244515705463...

Maybe you are more self loathing than I, but I'm not going to accept a lower standard of care, so that someone else who wants a handout can have a better standard of care.

I honestly would like to think you think you can have your cake and eat it to and are misinformed about the side effects of universal coverage ... either that or you just so damn bleeding heart that if you had cancer, you'd rather wait months and months for a screening so that someone else who is poor can get the same shoddy treatment as you.

Since: Aug 08

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#75579 Nov 6, 2012
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
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bark up another tree. I'm 100% behind universal health care, no ifs, ands or buts.
Including so that folks can quit their jobs and pursue their musical talents, right?
PEllen

Chicago, IL

#75580 Nov 6, 2012
Sublime1 wrote:
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Forgive me if I think outside of a basic safety net, it's up to you to get out and get your own.
Not that I would ever split hairs with a lawyer, but the crux of the argument is the definition of "basic safety net".
Sam I Am

Knoxville, TN

#75581 Nov 6, 2012
edogxxx wrote:
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What makes you think I'm narrow minded?
Everything you say.

Since: Jun 09

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#75582 Nov 6, 2012
Sublime1 wrote:
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Hey, buddy, I've got a son with autism to provide for (and will probably have to make sure he is provided for after my wife and I are gone) and 2 other kids whose future and college I need to worry about. Life has thrown me a few punches too. Forgive me if I concern myself more with those and decide that my sole purpose in life isn't to provide for people and make their life cozy, act as their life insurance policy when that "mayhem" guy strikes, and do everything I can possibly do to help them, even to the detriment of my own family.
Forgive me if I think outside of a basic safety net, it's up to you to get out and get your own.
I'm just pointing out that YOU are dependent upon government to make your life better by NOT helping others. Lame, bruh.

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