“No. 1 Stunna”

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#74755 Oct 17, 2012
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>This. Gov is Republican Rick Scott.
Quoted in article promoting this plan is Education Chairman & Republican Gary Chartrand, appointed by Scott.
FL must be one of those crazy states where even republicans are whacky liberals in disguise?

:p
PEllen

Chicago, IL

#74756 Oct 17, 2012
Toj wrote:
Okay -- read the whole thing. No. Doesn't help.
"New education standards approved this week in Florida set goals for public school student performance based on race and ethnicity ó with lower benchmarks for African-American, Native American, and Hispanic students, and higher ones for white and Asian-American students."
There's no getting past what this says.
Has anyone run this ( and Sub's Exec Order) through Snopes or something equivalent? This just does not sound right nor does it sound like something a government person would put in writing.

Plausibility fail, guys
PEllen

Chicago, IL

#74757 Oct 17, 2012
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
anyone familiar with and fond of the lovely song "Vincent" ("Starry starry night") by Don Mclean, I'm sure you'll be as pleased as I was to find out that it's been covered by Michael Bolton.:D
Me!
PEllen

Chicago, IL

#74758 Oct 17, 2012
Toj wrote:
I know many bright, young people of all races. It's a slap to my black friends and my Asian friends. Both groups who have done very well have done so with hard work -- not b/c Asians are naturally better. Blacks CAN achieve, they are not dumber than the rest of society.
Sounds like someone has been reading The Bell Curve,
PEllen

Chicago, IL

#74759 Oct 17, 2012
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
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That's just dumb.
The website he quotes is The Daily Caller.

What does the Miami Herald say?

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#74760 Oct 17, 2012
Sublime1 wrote:
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I suspect itís because liberals see that 17.3 percent of black students were suspended in 2009-10, whereas 4.7 percent of whites, 7.3 percent of Latinos, and only 2.1 percent of Asians were, and then they just assume itís because of discrimination, despite the fact that many of these black kids go to school in inner city schools that also have many minority teachers and administrators. By that logic, the fact that only 2.1 percent of Asians are suspended and 4.7 of whites are, necessarily means that whites are being discriminated against. Funny how it only works for one group, but not the other.
Also, by that logic, the fact that between 1974 and 2004 52.2% of the homicide offenders were Black must mean that white people can get away with murder with impunity, whereas blacks are discriminated against. This must mean that not only are the police out to get them, but the DAís are, the juries are, and the judges are. Itís a grand national conspiracy to allow non-blacks to get away with murder (because hey, who doesnít love a murder Ö unless of course heís black) and to punish blacks harshly.
I didn't read any of the stats in that article (just skimmed the beginning part), but I'd read something recently about the discrimination against students of color when it comes to punishments in schools, and it was more specific. Like, white students and black students both tellnig a teacher to "F off," the white students would get reprimanded/punished less often and with lighter punishments than the black kids.

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#74761 Oct 17, 2012
PEllen wrote:
<quoted text>
Has anyone run this ( and Sub's Exec Order) through Snopes or something equivalent? This just does not sound right nor does it sound like something a government person would put in writing.
Plausibility fail, guys
I did click on the link to the executive order and it's from the federal register.

But his source put their own lopsided spin on it to the best of their abilities.

Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

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#74762 Oct 17, 2012
PEllen wrote:
<quoted text>
Has anyone run this ( and Sub's Exec Order) through Snopes or something equivalent? This just does not sound right nor does it sound like something a government person would put in writing.
Plausibility fail, guys
I understand your feeling on this. It's not on Snopes. I believe it's real.

http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/gradebook/conte...

Go ahead and google it. It's all over the place. You'd THINK it was an urban legend. Sadly, it isn't.

Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

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#74763 Oct 17, 2012
Sublime1 wrote:
<quoted text>
FL must be one of those crazy states where even republicans are whacky liberals in disguise?
:p
Why? Because when Republican do stupid stuff they must be Democrats in disguise and when Democrats do something worthwhile it must have been b/c a Republican made them do it?

Both parties have their fair share of stupid.

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#74764 Oct 17, 2012
PEllen wrote:
<quoted text>
Has anyone run this ( and Sub's Exec Order) through Snopes or something equivalent? This just does not sound right nor does it sound like something a government person would put in writing.
Plausibility fail, guys
Article was forwarded to me by a friend who's wife is a teacher. He did not stumble across it by accident. He knew about it cause his wife is living it.

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#74765 Oct 17, 2012
If I were a nonwhite, I'd be INSULTED by this deal in Florida.

“No. 1 Stunna”

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#74766 Oct 17, 2012
Toj wrote:
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Why? Because when Republican do stupid stuff they must be Democrats in disguise and when Democrats do something worthwhile it must have been b/c a Republican made them do it?
Both parties have their fair share of stupid.
I was joking, hence the :p. I will do even more to clue you in next time!!11

:p

I actually looked at the article. They aren't actually lowering the standards for blacks. They are lowering the goal in terms of what percentage for each racial group they want to have at or above grade level. For example:

"By 2018, 90 percent of Asian students, 88 percent of white students, 81 percent of Hispanic students, 82 percent of Native American students and 74 percent of African-American students are expected to be at-or-above grade level reading standards."

So, they aren't lowering what the grade level reading standards are for various groups. They are just being realistic about what they can achieve given the already existent racial disparity, with the eventual goal to be that 100 percent of students be at or above grade level (which is impossible, IMO, unless you water down what it means to be at grade level):

"During a Thursday conference call with reporters Commissioner of Education Pam Stewart asserted that the breakdown is part of a long term goal to bring 100 percent of students, of every race, at or above grade level by 2022-2023. She added that the six year goals are the most ambitious the state has adopted in its history."

I don't agree with it, just because of the message it conveys, but it's not as crazy as it sounds at first.

Currently 76 percent of Asian students, 69 percent of white students, 53 percent of Hispanic students, 55 percent of Native American students and 38 percent of African-American students are at or above their grade level reading standards.

So by 2018 they want to see an increase of 14 percent in asians, 19 percent in whites, 28 percent in hispanics, 27 percent in Native American's, and 36% in African Americans.

It sounds worse than it is, it seems to me.

“No. 1 Stunna”

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#74767 Oct 17, 2012
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
If I were a nonwhite, I'd be INSULTED by this deal in Florida.
I don't know how upset I would be. I think it just sets realistic goals and takes into account the fact that you aren't going to be able to magically close the racial gap overnight. It's not something you can snap your fingers to attain.

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#74768 Oct 17, 2012
Sublime1 wrote:
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I don't know how upset I would be. I think it just sets realistic goals and takes into account the fact that you aren't going to be able to magically close the racial gap overnight. It's not something you can snap your fingers to attain.
I think it actually is less about race and more about socio-economic issues, but because the two often go together, it's being treated as a race issue. Middle class blacks in nice neighborhoods going to good public schools are testing FINE, I bet. It's lower income kids that are struggling.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Brooklyn, NY

#74769 Oct 17, 2012
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't read any of the stats in that article (just skimmed the beginning part), but I'd read something recently about the discrimination against students of color when it comes to punishments in schools, and it was more specific. Like, white students and black students both tellnig a teacher to "F off," the white students would get reprimanded/punished less often and with lighter punishments than the black kids.
That's a myth. Just like the myth that says there are a higher percentage of blacks in prisons because they aren't treated as fairly in the criminal justice system.

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#74770 Oct 17, 2012
edogxxx wrote:
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That's a myth. Just like the myth that says there are a higher percentage of blacks in prisons because they aren't treated as fairly in the criminal justice system.
It's not a myth, you racist prick.

“No. 1 Stunna”

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#74771 Oct 17, 2012
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
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I think it actually is less about race and more about socio-economic issues, but because the two often go together, it's being treated as a race issue. Middle class blacks in nice neighborhoods going to good public schools are testing FINE, I bet. It's lower income kids that are struggling.
I think it's very complicated, as this article suggests:

http://educationnext.org/fallingbehind/

Very interesting.
Sam I Am

Cedar Grove, TN

#74772 Oct 17, 2012
edogxxx wrote:
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That's a myth. Just like the myth that says there are a higher percentage of blacks in prisons because they aren't treated as fairly in the criminal justice system.
Thank you for finally saying what others have been afraid to. The criminal justice system treats all defendants equally, affording all the same opportunity to fair, due process.

You are a goddamn moron.

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#74773 Oct 17, 2012
Sam I Am wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you for finally saying what others have been afraid to. The criminal justice system treats all defendants equally, affording all the same opportunity to fair, due process.
You are a goddamn moron.
No doubt. The numbers are there to prove it. But fixing it is a complex problem, so many issues at play, including society's views and generations' worth of institutionalized racism.

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#74774 Oct 17, 2012
IOW, if you're white and you don't think you benefit from "white privilege," think again.

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