Barack Obama, our next President

Barack Obama, our next President

There are 1458034 comments on the Hampton Roads Daily Press story from Nov 5, 2008, titled Barack Obama, our next President. In it, Hampton Roads Daily Press reports that:

"The road ahead will be long. Our climb will be steep," Obama cautioned. Young and charismatic but with little experience on the national level, Obama smashed through racial barriers and easily defeated ...

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Since: Mar 14

Orlando, FL

#1174865 Jul 27, 2014
An analysis co-authored by Miriam Laugesen of the Columbia University School of Public Health and Sherry Gleid, Assistant Secretary in the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, the U.S. spending on physicians per capita is about five times higher than peer countries:$1,600 versus $310 in a sample of peer countries, a difference of $1,290 per capita or $390 billion nationally, 37% of the health care spending gap.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/toddhixon/2012/03...

“Stop Child Soldiers”

Since: Apr 14

Location hidden

#1174866 Jul 27, 2014
Incognito4Ever wrote:
An analysis co-authored by Miriam Laugesen of the Columbia University School of Public Health and Sherry Gleid, Assistant Secretary in the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, the U.S. spending on physicians per capita is about five times higher than peer countries:$1,600 versus $310 in a sample of peer countries, a difference of $1,290 per capita or $390 billion nationally, 37% of the health care spending gap.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/toddhixon/2012/03...
I like the idea of a health care system where doctors can get rich. It encourages talented people to become doctors.
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#1174867 Jul 27, 2014
RoxLo wrote:
<quoted text>
You really need to read through his posts
Talk about deaf, dumb and blind.

You're the epitome....
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#1174868 Jul 27, 2014
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>a question isn't a demand, boy.
i never made fun of vets either, squatty.
Oh yes you have son. You people thought it was funny having lost limbs below the waist.

You thought it was SO funny, you kept coming up with new ways to use the word 'squat' in jokes to denigrate people.

Once it was pointed out to me you people are those insensitive types who made fun of people who were crippled because you didn't serve, then it started to makes sense.

So again son, your jokes are old. People are waiting to hear you new material. It's a great tool to help others get acclimated to what they can expect in the real world from conservatives.

Bring it on! You... fetchie and the rest... BOY....
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#1174869 Jul 27, 2014
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>correct!! you don't owe me anything, but you owe the vets an apology.
I'm not the one cracking jokes and trying to think of more son....

I'm not the one who thinks it's funny son...

That's you.

Obviously you think you can get away with insults because you think I'm the problem. It's a weird way of placing blame but hey! You are a con!

Since: Mar 14

Orlando, FL

#1174870 Jul 27, 2014
John Galt wrote:
<quoted text>
move to Argentina.....
where you can see a doctor for the cost of a Happy Meal.....
surely you understand that the costs quoted in comparison are heavily taxpayer subsidized, as favored by you big government types....
You're missing the point and the bigger picture. Costs for health care in the U.S. are off the charts no matter which country you'd prefer instead. An analysis done by Cato back in 1994 still shows the same problems exist today.

The excessive costs of our current medical system can be classified into three major categories:

~ The first, and by far the largest excess cost, is due to the current overuse of medical resources by patients.

~ The second category of excess cost consists of administrative and paperwork costs that are unnecessary for the provision of health care but that have come into existence because of the current patchwork of third-party payers and their attempts to control their increasing costs by closely monitoring the behavior of doctors and patients.

~ The third excess cost is associated with the fear of malpractice suits. Administering medically unnecessary tests and procedures helps to insulate doctors and hospitals from the potential wrath of patients or their families when inevitable accidents occur in medical treatment or when treatments just do not work.

http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa211.html

So excessive overuse of medical resources, excessive paperwork and regulations and excessive malpractice suits creating excessive unnecessary testing are still the main problems responsible for the higher costs of medical care in this country.
John Galt

Temecula, CA

#1174871 Jul 27, 2014
RoxLo wrote:
<quoted text>
I like the idea of a health care system where doctors can get rich. It encourages talented people to become doctors.
or one can have a doctor from Bangladesh....
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#1174872 Jul 27, 2014
RoxLo wrote:
<quoted text>
I like the idea of a health care system where doctors can get rich. It encourages talented people to become doctors.
Ah! Selective conservative socialism!

“Stop Child Soldiers”

Since: Apr 14

Location hidden

#1174873 Jul 27, 2014
Incognito4Ever wrote:
Six charts that show why time and time again the U.S. has the costliest health care system in the world by a variety of measures.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/26/char...
It will blow your mind. It's also what I've been saying for decades. We're not looking at the real problem.
.

Did you go to the report and read how the sample was obtained and the disclaimer?
In the foreign countries they selected ONE plan while the US it was a combination of 100 million actual claims.

The disclaimer
"Comparisons across different countries are complicated by differences in sectors, fee schedules, and systems. In addition, for some countries a single plan’s prices are real for that plan but may not be representative of prices paid by other plans in that market."

I do agree there are ways to reduce health costs. But, the question becomes do you want lower care for a lower cost?
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#1174874 Jul 27, 2014
John Galt wrote:
<quoted text>
or one can have a doctor from Bangladesh....
lol! And from other countries as well.

And the patient doesn't even know it!

And by golly if it isn't a COST CUTTING measure!

Since: Mar 14

Orlando, FL

#1174875 Jul 27, 2014
RoxLo wrote:
<quoted text>
I like the idea of a health care system where doctors can get rich. It encourages talented people to become doctors.
You still don't get it. Doctors have become specialized nowadays. You might see several different specialists for the same problem and who often run the same expensive tests. This includes paying for each one of their staff's salaries and benefits, administrative costs, overhead, malpractice insurance and their own salaries which are, in my strong opinion, extremely overrated...and over-bloated.

It's not their own salaries as much as it is the unnecessary tests and treatments and the costs of paying everyone involved with treating your one medical problem.

“My Life Is A Shell Game”

Since: May 07

Lapeer, MI

#1174876 Jul 27, 2014
RoxLo wrote:
<quoted text>
I like the idea of a health care system where doctors can get rich. It encourages talented people to become doctors.
I was just about to bring that up but declined.

You're right. They entire concept of capitalism works on the profit motive with 'motivation' being the central operative word here. What is the most efficacious method to motivate people to work for the benefit of society? Adam Smith was right - greed, within limits.

Top Down methods have been tried since forever and have failed. Ordered economies and 5-year Plans don't make it.

Appealing to an individual's ideology, conscience, patriotism, altruism don't work either. Marxism failed there. too. Their philosophy of us all being equal with some being more equal than others has been exposed repeatedly through the ages.

Profit is not a bad word regardless of the stupid mantras of Magic Negro and Dennis Kucinich. "You didn't build that!" kills the American Dream while the author of that ignorant rant goes on to profit from his image - the one he created..

If a doctor can make a good living while pursuing what they like doing, they will fill the Medical Schools and help to heal.

Imagine a Central Government ordering Steven Spielberg to produce appealing movies or some Rock Band to find the optimum cultural hot spot while doing it for a fixed price set by government committee.

Profit means a million different things to millions of different people. For Magic Negro Boy to denigrate the profit motive as some sort of generic human failure is a Marxist slap across every American's face.

Dreams From My Marxist C*ckhound Father is fast becoming America's Nightmare.

“My Life Is A Shell Game”

Since: May 07

Lapeer, MI

#1174877 Jul 27, 2014
Yeah wrote:
<quoted text>Oh yes you have son. You people thought it was funny having lost limbs below the waist.
You thought it was SO funny, you kept coming up with new ways to use the word 'squat' in jokes to denigrate people.
Once it was pointed out to me you people are those insensitive types who made fun of people who were crippled because you didn't serve, then it started to makes sense.
So again son, your jokes are old. People are waiting to hear you new material. It's a great tool to help others get acclimated to what they can expect in the real world from conservatives.
Bring it on! You... fetchie and the rest... BOY....
Go squat somewhere, boy:-)
John Galt

Temecula, CA

#1174878 Jul 27, 2014
Incognito4Ever wrote:
<quoted text>
You're missing the point and the bigger picture. Costs for health care in the U.S. are off the charts no matter which country you'd prefer instead. An analysis done by Cato back in 1994 still shows the same problems exist today.
The excessive costs of our current medical system can be classified into three major categories:
~ The first, and by far the largest excess cost, is due to the current overuse of medical resources by patients.
~ The second category of excess cost consists of administrative and paperwork costs that are unnecessary for the provision of health care but that have come into existence because of the current patchwork of third-party payers and their attempts to control their increasing costs by closely monitoring the behavior of doctors and patients.
~ The third excess cost is associated with the fear of malpractice suits. Administering medically unnecessary tests and procedures helps to insulate doctors and hospitals from the potential wrath of patients or their families when inevitable accidents occur in medical treatment or when treatments just do not work.
http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa211.html
So excessive overuse of medical resources, excessive paperwork and regulations and excessive malpractice suits creating excessive unnecessary testing are still the main problems responsible for the higher costs of medical care in this country.
Galt agrees that some people overuse the medical care system, resulting in a very small fraction of the population incurring a very large percentage of medical costs......

on the other hand, when one is seriously ill. it's not the time to try to control costs....

“Stop Child Soldiers”

Since: Apr 14

Location hidden

#1174879 Jul 27, 2014
John Galt wrote:
<quoted text>
or one can have a doctor from Bangladesh....
Where I live the hospitals are small and they frequently contract with foreign doctors to keep them staffed.

“My Life Is A Shell Game”

Since: May 07

Lapeer, MI

#1174880 Jul 27, 2014
Yeah wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not the one cracking jokes and trying to think of more son....
I'm not the one who thinks it's funny son...
That's you.
Obviously you think you can get away with insults because you think I'm the problem. It's a weird way of placing blame but hey! You are a con!
Please take your cheap emotions elsewhere.

There are sincere people here discussing sincerely.
John Galt

Temecula, CA

#1174881 Jul 27, 2014
Incognito4Ever wrote:
<quoted text>
You still don't get it. Doctors have become specialized nowadays. You might see several different specialists for the same problem and who often run the same expensive tests. This includes paying for each one of their staff's salaries and benefits, administrative costs, overhead, malpractice insurance and their own salaries which are, in my strong opinion, extremely overrated...and over-bloated.
It's not their own salaries as much as it is the unnecessary tests and treatments and the costs of paying everyone involved with treating your one medical problem.
how much do you think a specialist, a cardiologist for example, should earn???.....

for example, if you need a cardiac stent to save your life, what do you consider to be a reasonable fee for the procedure???.......

Since: Mar 14

Orlando, FL

#1174882 Jul 27, 2014
John Galt wrote:
<quoted text>
or one can have a doctor from Bangladesh....
I'd be very happy to pay for one qualified doctor in one office with only the necessary tests being ordered.

Doctors specialize for a reason now - so that no ONE physician can be blamed if something goes wrong. And all of them run as many tests as possible in case something does.

But you get billed for each of their "expertise" and tests on top of paying for their malpractice insurance even if something doesn't go wrong with you.

“Stop Child Soldiers”

Since: Apr 14

Location hidden

#1174883 Jul 27, 2014
Incognito4Ever wrote:
<quoted text>
You still don't get it. Doctors have become specialized nowadays. You might see several different specialists for the same problem and who often run the same expensive tests. This includes paying for each one of their staff's salaries and benefits, administrative costs, overhead, malpractice insurance and their own salaries which are, in my strong opinion, extremely overrated...and over-bloated.
It's not their own salaries as much as it is the unnecessary tests and treatments and the costs of paying everyone involved with treating your one medical problem.
I have never seen more than one specialist for a problem. I have gone to another specialist when I was unhappy with the first person's care. If this is happening to you, you really need to become pro-active in your care. Especially never pay for the same tests unless the doctor can provide you with a good reason for why it needs to be re-done. I am a pain as I question all services. Cost v benefits.

Yes, there is certain health care costs that can be reduced overall. Such as reducing incidents of malpractice suits or capping, streamline office work for filing claims, etc

Since: Mar 14

Orlando, FL

#1174884 Jul 27, 2014
John Galt wrote:
<quoted text>
how much do you think a specialist, a cardiologist for example, should earn???.....
for example, if you need a cardiac stent to save your life, what do you consider to be a reasonable fee for the procedure???.......
It's not the cardiologist's expertise that's the problem or what he should earn having that expertise.

Hospitals charge far too much for everything, administrative costs for the mountain of paperwork that's done nowadays and every physician that wants a piece of the insurance pie will see you or just charge you if they even give advise on your chart without even seeing you.

The medical profession has become an insurance scam. What they can't milk out of the insurance companies, they'll squeeze every dime out of you next.

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