Barack Obama, our next President

"The road ahead will be long. Our climb will be steep," Obama cautioned. Young and charismatic but with little experience on the national level, Obama smashed through racial barriers and easily defeated ... Full Story
sonicfilter

Fishers, IN

#1024432 Nov 15, 2013
No, the Rollout of Healthcare.gov is Nothing Like Hurricane Katrina

There's no question that Healthcare.gov has been a fiasco—a blunder of a website that has embarrassed the administration and tarnished Obama's brand. At the same time, it's important not to overstate the scope of the damage. Right now, the problem with the website is that it can't accommodate everyone who wants to buy health insurance. This is a serious issue, but not the worst mistake ever made by a president.

By contrast, George W. Bush's response to Katrina comes close. Hurricane Katrina was one of the deadliest storms to ever hit the United States. It killed more than 1,800 people, destroyed tens of thousands of homes, caused billions in property damage, and nearly sank a major American city. And the Bush administration's response was criminally negligent, a basic failure of duty that should haunt everyone involved.

Despite several days of memos and warnings to administration officials—that this would be a major storm, that the levees had been breached, that flooding had began—it took two days for President Bush—who was on vacation, spawning a series of photo-ops that would look awful in retrospect—to begin to organize the federal response. The Federal Emergency Management Agency had little in the way of direction, and critical resources in the area went unused. As late as September 1st, three days after Katrina made landfall, there were no coordinated efforts in the area. "This is a national emergency. This is a national disgrace," said Terry Ebbert, then director of emergency operations for New Orleans, "FEMA has been here three days, yet there is no command and control. We can send massive amounts of aid to tsunami victims, but we can’t bail out the city of New Orleans."

When confronted with this avalanche of incompetence, administration officials shifted the blame, more attuned to their political fortunes than to the thousands who languished in overcrowded shelters without adequate food, water, or sanitation, forced to deal with disease and violence. It was more than an embarrassment, it was one of the worst domestic disasters ever seen in a presidency. Indeed, the only reason it doesn't define Bush's tenure is that it's overshadowed by the war in Iraq, which stands as one of the worst foreign policy disasters in U.S. history.

Healthcare.gov is not in the same ballpark, it's not in the same league—it's not even in the same sport. Failing to build a website that can reliably provide health care coverage to consumers—a noble goal hindered by flawed implementation—is categorically different than a non-response to a natural disaster that claimed thousands of lives.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/11...
sonicfilter

Fishers, IN

#1024433 Nov 15, 2013
Jessup wrote:
<quoted text>
LIAR. I watched Kirsten Powers in an interview yesterday say exactly that same thing word for word!
Check out her column in the Daily Beast. Educate yourself!
maybe you meant the Daily Caller?

a totally different animal. right wing biased to be exact.

Since: Aug 13

Bozeman, MT

#1024434 Nov 15, 2013
USAsince1680 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yet another ignoramus who believes in "death panels". Geez!
"And we’re also going to have to make decisions about health care, doc pay for health care that has no demonstrated medical benefits . So the snarky version…which I shouldn’t even say because it will get me in trouble is death panels and sales taxes is how we do this." - Paul Krugman

Since: Jun 13

Orlando, FL

#1024435 Nov 15, 2013
39 Democrats bucked their party leadership to vote in favor of the bill.

Is that a rebuke? MSNBC said 20 to 30 would be one thing but 60 to 100 would be a rebuke.

39 is almost 40 and 40 is between 30 and 60.

It's more than just being "one thing", that's for sure.
LCNLin

United States

#1024436 Nov 15, 2013
President Christie will give trolls a time to whine

Since: Nov 11

New York, NY

#1024437 Nov 15, 2013
39 brainless Democrats join the descent and smart Republicans on affirming Obama did lie about Obamacare.

39 Democrats in the House, that need leadership from Republicans. 39 that know their days are counted. 39 the proves beyond any doubt that Republicans are the ONLY ones that know what to do.

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#1024438 Nov 15, 2013
LoisLane59 wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, it's already a Democrats' nightmare because they know it isn't and there's no way it ever will be.
Well, surprise, I disagree. The November 12th poll by Quinnipiac shows that 75% of Democrats approve of the way Obama is handling healthcare. 79% of Democrats approve of the way Obama is handling is job and 86% believe he is honest and trustworthy. The same number trust that Obama will do a better job handling healthcare than Republicans in Congress.

His low number is with his handling of immigration...only 66% of Democrats approve (probably because it is on the back burner at the moment).

Let's face it...we are a country divided down political lines like never before and, IMO, we have the obstructionist Republicans in congress to thank for it. You people are only cutting your own throats by continuing down this negative path.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institutes-and-cent...
LCNLin

United States

#1024439 Nov 15, 2013
sonicfilter wrote:
No, the Rollout of Healthcare.gov is Nothing Like Hurricane Katrina
There's no question that Healthcare.gov has been a fiasco—a blunder of a website that has embarrassed the administration and tarnished Obama's brand. At the same time, it's important not to overstate the scope of the damage. Right now, the problem with the website is that it can't accommodate everyone who wants to buy health insurance. This is a serious issue, but not the worst mistake ever made by a president.
By contrast, George W. Bush's response to Katrina comes close. Hurricane Katrina was one of the deadliest storms to ever hit the United States. It killed more than 1,800 people, destroyed tens of thousands of homes, caused billions in property damage, and nearly sank a major American city. And the Bush administration's response was criminally negligent, a basic failure of duty that should haunt everyone involved.
Despite several days of memos and warnings to administration officials—that this would be a major storm, that the levees had been breached, that flooding had began—it took two days for President Bush—who was on vacation, spawning a series of photo-ops that would look awful in retrospect—to begin to organize the federal response. The Federal Emergency Management Agency had little in the way of direction, and critical resources in the area went unused. As late as September 1st, three days after Katrina made landfall, there were no coordinated efforts in the area. "This is a national emergency. This is a national disgrace," said Terry Ebbert, then director of emergency operations for New Orleans, "FEMA has been here three days, yet there is no command and control. We can send massive amounts of aid to tsunami victims, but we can’t bail out the city of New Orleans."
When confronted with this avalanche of incompetence, administration officials shifted the blame, more attuned to their political fortunes than to the thousands who languished in overcrowded shelters without adequate food, water, or sanitation, forced to deal with disease and violence. It was more than an embarrassment, it was one of the worst domestic disasters ever seen in a presidency. Indeed, the only reason it doesn't define Bush's tenure is that it's overshadowed by the war in Iraq, which stands as one of the worst foreign policy disasters in U.S. history.
Healthcare.gov is not in the same ballpark, it's not in the same league—it's not even in the same sport. Failing to build a website that can reliably provide health care coverage to consumers—a noble goal hindered by flawed implementation—is categorically different than a non-response to a natural disaster that claimed thousands of lives.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/11...
Tea Party loses in the end

Since: Aug 13

Bozeman, MT

#1024440 Nov 15, 2013
USAsince1680 wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't really care about the under insured. If they had taken more responsibility for their health needs, they wouldn't have a problem.
What is "under insured" - a 70 year old couple who don't have maternity and contraception coverage? That's bullcrap, but you're so completely indoctrinated you can't think rationally any longer.

Admit it - you want the government to get as much of other peoples money as they can get your hands on and give it to you.

Since: Aug 13

Bozeman, MT

#1024441 Nov 15, 2013
sonicfilter wrote:
<quoted text>
maybe you meant the Daily Caller?
a totally different animal. right wing biased to be exact.
...and Obama didn't lie and millions have not had their health insurance cancelled.
Realtime

Deltona, FL

#1024442 Nov 15, 2013
Ray Donovan wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey, you can't argue with Political Breakfast Man.
He 'knows things'.
He for sure knows that all politicians lie, that all political pundits lie and that this is an anonymous topix thread jam packed with liars, cripples and software douches.

Bondi last week, Desantis week before__too many lies to keep track of and the overpriced food sucks.

“fairtax.org”

Since: Dec 08

gauley bridge wv

#1024443 Nov 15, 2013
Realtime wrote:
<quoted text>Debunked
Not debunked. I heard her say it myself.
Laney F

New York, NY

#1024444 Nov 15, 2013
Jaw-dropping quotes - Obammy on ObammyCare:

"What we're also discovering is that insurance is complicated to buy."

Really, Mr. President?

You're "discovering" this minor detail three years after you forced through a massive, unpopular overhaul of the entire system?

This statement is a breathtaking admission of abject dereliction and incompetence.

ABC News' Rick Klein also notes that the administration's long-time talking points assured skeptical consumers that Obamacare would be easy to buy.

That's what all of the "just like Expedia!" comparisons were about.

Now, with millions getting booted from their plans, with a horribly broken website exacerbating the pain, Obama suddenly sees the light.

A disgrace.

Since: Aug 13

Bozeman, MT

#1024445 Nov 15, 2013
martinezjosei wrote:
39 brainless Democrats join the descent and smart Republicans on affirming Obama did lie about Obamacare.
39 Democrats in the House, that need leadership from Republicans. 39 that know their days are counted. 39 the proves beyond any doubt that Republicans are the ONLY ones that know what to do.
Any of those 39 up for reelection a little less than a year from now?
Laney F

New York, NY

#1024446 Nov 15, 2013
Jaw-dropping quotes - Obammy on ObammyCare

(No wonder Democrats are running for cover)

"What we're essentially saying is the Affordable Care Act is not going to be the factor in what happens with folks in the individual market."

Points for candor, I guess.

Here the president explicitly spells out the motivation behind his so-called "fix" -- which even liberal wonks and industry experts are admitting are unworkable and will make the law's problems worse.

The goal is not to repair the damage; the goal is to SCAPEGOAT omeone else for the Obamacare wreckage that awaits.

INSURANCE COMPANIES ARE THE NEW OBAMMY VILLIAN DE JOUR.

Insurers, who've been in bed with Obama on this law from the beginning, aren't going to take the demonization lying down.

Obama is decreeing a 13th-hour disruption that they cannot comply with at this stage, and that will throw their finances into chaos. They will, in turn, hike premiums even more next year.

This is the death spiral, ladies and gentlemen.

And Obama will try to stand to the side and point at his former Obamacare partners as the culprits.

It's shameful. And I suspect it won't work. His credibility is in the tank.
Buroc Millhouse Obama

Newington, CT

#1024447 Nov 15, 2013
USAsince1680 wrote:
<quoted text>
"Real mature" post for a fourth grader.
Right at your level. You have the commons sense of a fourth grader. Well actually, I just insulted fourth graders.

Get off the bus, hater!
sonicfilter

Fishers, IN

#1024448 Nov 15, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
<quoted text>
Tea Party loses in the end
Tea Party? what's that?

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#1024449 Nov 15, 2013
Buroc Millhouse Obama wrote:
<quoted text>
I am sure you know you are one, so why do you act surprised?
You display vile hate, but in a sneaky, coy, and not so bright way.
What's wrong with someone being honest and direct, scumbag?
People with little minds, like you, can't comprehend "honest and direst".

“Profanity is the effort of a feeble brain to express itself forcibly.” Spencer W. Kimball

Since: Jun 13

Orlando, FL

#1024450 Nov 15, 2013
Realtime wrote:
<quoted text>Gibberish!
Who do you think reads this thread dumbazz? Congress? ROFLMAO, everyone who actually does read along already knows that you're a liar.
What's gibberish this time?

The CBO projected 30 million will still be uninsured under Obamacare?

The government will screw up medical care too?

The IRS will have all of our personal information while being impotent to enforce penalties?

The GOP had a better plan to lower the costs of health care to make it more affordable for everyone?

The free market should have a chance to cover pre-existing conditions and provide employer-free health insurance?

Tax reform is never on the liberals' agenda?

...There was so much in that one post, it might help to narrow it down to help me better provide the correct source.
sonicfilter

Fishers, IN

#1024451 Nov 15, 2013
Ray Donovan wrote:
<quoted text>
...and Obama didn't lie and millions have not had their health insurance cancelled.
Obama should have known he was going to get screwed by the insurance companies.

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