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Fenris the Big Bad Wolf

United States

#1017812 Nov 4, 2013
sonicfilter wrote:
Keeping Your Crappy Health Care Plan
The mainstream media's running around like a child with a shiny new toy (story): some people won't be able to keep their insurance because of the Affordable Care Act. They are practically screaming "Liar, liar, pants on fire" at President Obama. This allows them to pat themselves on the back for "balanced coverage" of American politics. If you've been reporting what a gigantic mistake the Republicans have made of things for the past month, now it's time to headline equally negative stories about Democrats.
The media have taken the bait, and reduced an important policy debate to the bite-size of what fits on cable news in between stories about celebrity break-ups and new diet books. The idea they are parroting fits on a bumper sticker. "I want to keep my health plan!" In so doing, they have done us all a disservice, for the millionth time.
It sounds like an easy story: the president promised, and then, oh no he didn't! People are getting notices that their sacred right to keep whatever crappy non-health care plan they have is being taken away by big government. What's really going on is a redefining of what " care" means, as in The Affordable Care Act. It's not The Affordable Crappy Health Care Act, it's the Affordable Care Act. And if you think an insurance plan with a huge deductible that only allows you to see your doctor twice a year is really "care," then you've been duped by Big Insurance.
Insurance companies are more than happy to take a small chunk of your money every month, in return for giving the smallest possible coverage. It's a great deal for them, but if you get more than a cold a year, it's a bad idea for the consumer. And the Affordable Care Act has stepped in and said, "Look, this is not real insurance. Instead, you can buy cheaper insurance (especially if you qualify for one of the many subsidies) that will give you unlimited doctor's visits, cover maternity care, and in general give you real peace of mind."
But the libertarians protest: "I have a God-given right to choose the crappiest insurance, and pay a relatively small amount of my paycheck to get it." Here's the real public policy debate that almost nobody's talking about: What happens to this happy libertarian when she or he gets cancer, or hit by a car? Insurance companies know that people under 40 don't believe these things will happen to them, but we all know better, don't we? And who pays for the libertarian with a crappy non-health care plan who gets cancer or hit by a car? Why, we do. Because they will go to the emergency room, the most expensive kind of care there is, and that cost gets pushed onto all of us.
So I have a simple solution for libertarians who want the freedom to keep their crappy non-health care: let them sign a binding document that they will never use the emergency room unless they can afford to pay for the full bill themselves. Let them sign a binding document that says if they get cancer and go broke trying to pay their medical bills, that they won't declare bankruptcy, which will also pass cost increases onto all of us. And while we're at it, if libertarians want the freedom to drive their motorcycles without a helmet, let them sign a binding document that their brain surgeries will be totally paid for by the freedom-loving motorcyclist and her or his family.
Freedom's just another word for "let the other people pay for my health care when I get a catastrophic illness." Put that on a bumper sticker.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/monica-bauer/ke...
Leftist subterfuge. Its about the total fraud "if you like your plan, you can keep it", as well as EVERYONE paying double what they were (besides leftist freeloaders).......

Since: May 13

Location hidden

#1017813 Nov 4, 2013
Laney F wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, but the elders they won't be killing off, they are subsidizing. OK, so they are also subsidizing for illegal aliens, but what the heck.
A Thank You Letter to the Young People Who Voted for Obammy
You Millenials voted for Obama by a margin of 28 percent, which will make it a lot easier for me to accept the benefits you will be paying for. We warned you that liberalism was a scam designed to take the fruits of your labor and transfer it to us, the older, established generation. Oh, and also to the couch-dwelling, Democrat-voting losers who live off of food stamps and order junk from QVC with their Obamaphones.
You didn’t listen to us. Maybe you’ll listen to pain.
I have been told that being hard on you Millennials will turn you against conservatism, that I should offer you a positive, hopeful message that avoids the touchy problem of your manifest stupidity.
No. There’s no sugar-coating it – your votes for Democrats have ensured that you are the first generation in American history that will fail to exceed what their parents attained. Embracing liberalism was a stupid thing to do, done for the stupidest of reasons, and I will now let you subsidize my affluent lifestyle without a shred of guilt.
I’m a 48 year old trial lawyer living on the coast in California – I should have “Hope and Change” tattooed on my glutes. I’d have an excuse to be lib-curious, but you Millennials?
Why do you support an ideology that pillages you to pay-off Democrat constituencies? Your time in the indoctrination factories of academia trained you in a form of “critical thinking” that is neither.
Somehow, you came to embrace the bizarre notion that conservatives are psychotic Jesus freaks who want to Footloosisze America into a land of mandatory Sunday school and no dancing.
But liberals, in contrast, are nice. Obama is cool. You chose petty fascism with a smile. NOT A LOT OF THOUGHT WENT INTO IT (LOL).
Facts, evidence – these were mere distractions from the feelings-based validation that came from rejecting us wicked conservatives.
What did you get?
The chance to be forced to buy health insurance you don’t want at inflated rates so my rates can be lower.
You get to pay more out of your monthly barista take – liberalism ensured that the tanked job market foreclosed a real career – so that I get to pay less out of my lawyer checks.
Thanks, suckers.
How was your week end off DBWriter? Glad to see you're here working your morning shift rather than blowing up a government building.
sonicfilter

Indianapolis, IN

#1017814 Nov 4, 2013
Laney F wrote:
<quoted text>It'll never catch up to the real anti-Bush campaign conducted by the main stream media who are usually libs.
LOL

oh sure, they just hated the Iraq war in the beginning...not.

The New York Times and "Liberal Media" Helped Sell the Iraq War

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php...

so you must be referring to when they figured out that they'd be taken for a ride.
Fenris the Big Bad Wolf

United States

#1017815 Nov 4, 2013
killtaker wrote:
<quoted text>
Stop drinking drano!!!!!!
Correction: bernard forand drinks his own urine (and loves it).....

“Bill Clinton could have ”

Since: May 10

Prevented this

#1017816 Nov 4, 2013
sonicfilter wrote:
but when Obama acts like a conservative.....
Mike Rogers Defends Drone Killing Of Pakistani Taliban Leader
A U.S. lawmaker whose committee oversees the intelligence community on Sunday defended the drone strike that killed a Pakistani Taliban leader and said it would help keep American troops safe.
Representative Mike Rogers, who chairs the House of Representatives' permanent intelligence committee, said the slain militant, Hakimullah Mehsud, was a "bad guy" who was connected to attacks against Pakistani soldiers and to the Taliban in Afghanistan, which has forced closures of many schools for girls.
"This was a bad guy," Rogers said on CBS' "Face the Nation." "There's some information recently that concerned us about the safety of our troops. I feel a little better for our troops today than I did before this event happened."
Mehsud, who took over as the leader of the al Qaeda-linked Pakistani Taliban in 2009, was killed on Friday, along with three others, in a U.S. drone strike in northwest Pakistan.
The Pakistani government denounced the killing as an attempt by the United States to interfere with peace talks between Pakistan's government and the Taliban.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/03/mike...
No one has a problem killing a mass amount of moslems--except the liberals. So why do you support O'bama? if it were a Republican--you would be screaming and crying that they were killing your precious terrorists. It's the way you libs roll. O'bama is a murderer isn't he?

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#1017817 Nov 4, 2013
Yeah wrote:
<quoted text>lol! Well gee son. You idiots worked hard so it wouldn't happen.
Case in point, the latest debt ceiling debacle you reich wingers created...
.... and it's still not over.
Retailers can thank you idiots for screwing their Christmas. Don't forget to say 'you're welcome' with a BIIIIG smile, son!
You are a laugh a post Yeahoo? By the way, why again! did the debt ceiling have to be raised? You're almost as good a fabricator of truth, as David Asselrod? Did you happen to see his apology tour on the Sunday shows yesterday? He conveniently as did you forget, the $16 Trillon Barack Hussein Obama added. Ooops!!
Fenris the Big Bad Wolf

United States

#1017818 Nov 4, 2013
OK leftist phags!! Given as its a certainty the failure odumbocare will (at the very least) be drastically rolled-back in the next couple of years, its not too early to consider killing yourself!! Do it for the good of the country!!!

“Bill Clinton could have ”

Since: May 10

Prevented this

#1017819 Nov 4, 2013
Realtime wrote:
<quoted text>That's some real funny chit Bu-ud.
But you left out conspiracy theories, Acorn, Saul, Bill, Valerie, the birth certificate and the college transcripts.
Bill aka William Ayers is using the excuse 'he was off his meds' to answer every question about O'bama--maybe O'bama should answer the same way when he makes truthful comments--Wait....O'bama has never been off his meds. He suffers from depression. He wants the rest of you to suffer from depression also. Medicate the masses.
sonicfilter

Indianapolis, IN

#1017820 Nov 4, 2013
fetch almighty wrote:
<quoted text>forcing doctors to accept Medicare / O'bamacare patients is the same as forcing them to work for free. Most doctors won't work for free.
forcing? free?

cite it. stop assuming i've read the (non)applicable right wing chain email. i am not on the nutjob mailing list.

Since: May 11

Chambersburg, PA

#1017821 Nov 4, 2013
fetch almighty wrote:
<quoted text>Every socialist entitlement dream -- whether it's in China, Venezuela, Argentina or even Fascist-style systems like Nazi Germany -- always end in violent collapse and mass slaughter.
Who knew that Hitler & the Nazis were created by the single payer healthcare system in Germany?

“It's always darkest 'fore dawn”

Since: Jul 08

When's dawn?

#1017822 Nov 4, 2013
Emeem wrote:
<quoted text>
Here you go you senile lying piece of human flotsam:
post#1016344
"Galt pays far more for utilities and food every year than for medical care, all paid in cash, with no insurance…."
Way to go, Emeem. It's sad for the reich-wing troll losers on here that their memories are so shot they can scarcely remember where they last made a deposit, let alone all the lies they've told. You know, I think they may also be like those Alzheimer's patients, such as Sandra Day O'Connor's husband, who keeps falling in love with any or all of the new patients on the floor.

“Bill Clinton could have ”

Since: May 10

Prevented this

#1017823 Nov 4, 2013
sonicfilter wrote:
No free health care for illegal immigrants in the health bill
It may be the longest chain e-mail we've ever received. A page-by-page analysis of the House health care bill argues that reform will end the health care system as we know it: "Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!... Page 42: The 'Health Choices Commissioner' will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice.... Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free health care services."
Most of the e-mail's claims are wrong, and you can read our extended analysis to find out why.
One of its most bizarre claims is the one about free health care for noncitizens, "illegal or not."
We read the bill and its legislative summary, and could find nothing about free health care for anyone, much less noncitizens.
To confirm our examination, we turned to Jennifer Tolbert, an independent health care analyst at the Kaiser Family Foundation, a nonpartisan foundation that studies health care reform. Tolbert has read and analyzed all the major health proposals, including those of the Republicans, and the foundation provides point-by-point analyses of the plans on its Web site.
"No one's provided with free health care. That's ridiculous," she said.
Page 50, which the e-mail references, is part of Section 152, which includes a generic nondiscrimination clause saying that insurers may not discriminate with regard to "personal characteristics extraneous to the provision of high quality health care or related services."
The section says nothing about "non-US citizens" or immigrants, legal or otherwise. In fact, the legislation specifically states that "undocumented aliens" will not be eligible for credits to help them buy health insurance, in Section 246 on page 143.
The bottom line here is the e-mail is making things up. The bill does not say anything close to "All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free health care services." We rate this chain e-mail statement Pants on Fire!
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/state...
lesson....never believe anything you read in a right wing chain email.
listen the great O'bama is pushing illegal status to legal status because his healthcare is falling apart. If you think the illegals are not going to be treated, you are dumber than I think you are. Do you think the liberals are going to let the illegals die in the street? maybe.
sonicfilter

Indianapolis, IN

#1017824 Nov 4, 2013
Fenris the Big Bad Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>
Leftist subterfuge. Its about the total fraud "if you like your plan, you can keep it", as well as EVERYONE paying double what they were (besides leftist freeloaders).......
like you had a choice as to the plan you kept before Obamacare?

the part you guys have to leave out. seems to be a trend lately.

as for 'double'...i call BS.

“fairtax.org”

Since: Dec 08

gauley bridge wv

#1017825 Nov 4, 2013
Emeem wrote:
Republican guide to problem solving:
This is terrible, it'll never work, I quit, I told you so, we can't, oh my God!
Progressive Democrats guide to problem solving:
Let's get busy and fix this, everyone relax, no need to panic, let's look at some possible solutions, quitting is for losers.
I find it hilarious that Obamacare is turning out to be closer to the insurance I have and promote then that prepaid medical care you all are trying to say it is.

Since: May 11

Chambersburg, PA

#1017826 Nov 4, 2013
fetch almighty wrote:
<quoted text>Your precious government has done the same thing: got cancer vaccines? why yes...as a matter of fact we do-but only after most of them that have gotten them...died. The government is not your friend when it comes to your health or care.
Wow, faling back into the cancer in vaccines crock again.

Are there any conspiracy theories you don't believe?

“Bill Clinton could have ”

Since: May 10

Prevented this

#1017827 Nov 4, 2013
Chicagoan by Birth wrote:
<quoted text>You are a laugh a post Yeahoo? By the way, why again! did the debt ceiling have to be raised? You're almost as good a fabricator of truth, as David Asselrod? Did you happen to see his apology tour on the Sunday shows yesterday? He conveniently as did you forget, the $16 Trillon Barack Hussein Obama added. Ooops!!
Axelrod groping in the dark over the weekend, blaming the Republicans for all the O'bama mistakes...no one is buying it anymore. Except the few liberals that are getting groped... No one has touched them for years.

Since: May 11

Chambersburg, PA

#1017828 Nov 4, 2013
fetch almighty wrote:
<quoted text>No one has a problem killing a mass amount of moslems--except the liberals. So why do you support O'bama? if it were a Republican--you would be screaming and crying that they were killing your precious terrorists. It's the way you libs roll. O'bama is a murderer isn't he?
Actually, I don't have a problem killing terrorists.

You, evidently, want to kill Moslems.
Laney F

New York, NY

#1017829 Nov 4, 2013
Fenris the Big Bad Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>
Progressive Democrats guide to problem solving:
"let's hire a bunch of retarded, unemployable chimps that cant tie their own shoe laces to staff a new government boondoggle. Since we cant fund it, let's steal the money from someone who was successful".
Look who got hired to create the website, the same know nothing that is being paid millions more to fix it. And guess what, he's a huge Obammy campaign donor. Is anyone surprised?

"Obama donor’s firm hired to fix Web mess it created

WASHINGTON — A tech firm linked to a campaign-donor crony of President Obama not only got the job to help build the federal health-insurance Web site — but also is getting paid to fix it.

Anthony Welters, a top campaign bundler for Obama and frequent White House guest, is the executive vice president of UnitedHealth Group, which owns the software company now at the center of the ObamaCare Web-site fiasco.

UnitedHealth Group subsidiary Quality Software Services Inc.(QSSI), which built the data hub for the ObamaCare system, has been named the new general contractor in charge of repairing the glitch-plagued HealthCare.gov .

Welters and his wife, Beatrice, have shoveled piles of cash into Obama’s campaign coffers and ­apparently reaped the rewards.

Beatrice Welters bundled donations totaling between $200,000 and $500,000 for Obama’s campaign during the 2008 election ­cycle, according to campaign-­finance data compiled by Center for Responsive Politics.

SICK CALL: Obama bundler Anthony Welters’ firm owns the company picked to repair the health Web site.

The couple then became top donors for Obama’s inauguration festivities, kicking in $100,000 out of their own pockets and bundling another $300,000 from friends and business associates, according to the center.

The investments quickly paid off for Beatrice Welters. The Obama administration tapped her in 2009 for the plum job of US ambassador to Trinidad and Tobago, which she held through last November.

The couple have been frequent guests at the White House.

Visitors logs show at least a dozen visits between the two by the end of 2012, the most recent information available.

The entire Welters family has gotten into the donation game.

The Welters, along with their sons, Andrew and Bryant, have contributed more than $258,000 to mostly Democratic candidates and committees since 2007.

What’s more, UnitedHealth Group is one of the largest health-insurance companies in the country and spent millions lobbying for ObamaCare.

The insurance giant’s purchase of QSSI in 2012 raised eyebrows on Capitol Hill, but the tech firm nevertheless kept the job of building the data hub for the ObamaCare Web site where consumers buy the new mandatory health-­insurance plans.

QSSI has been paid an estimated $150 million so far, but officials couldn’t say how much more the company might collect on the ­repair contract.

By all accounts, the data hub has run smoothly while many other components of the Web site have failed.

Meanwhile, tempers flared among Obama’s Democratic allies over the disastrous rollout of the president’s signature initiative.

“I’m extraordinarily frustrated,” said Sen. Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.)­after top Obama-administration officials gave Senate Democrats a private briefing on the state of the Web-site repairs.

He said they were losing confidence the site could be quickly fixed.

“I don’t think there’s confidence by anyone in the room. This is more of a show-me moment,” said Merkley."

http://nypost.com/2013/11/01/obama-donors-fir...

Good old affirmative action at its finest. What's that you say Bammy, "You didnt' build this?"

“Bill Clinton could have ”

Since: May 10

Prevented this

#1017830 Nov 4, 2013
sonicfilter wrote:
<quoted text>
forcing? free?
cite it. stop assuming i've read the (non)applicable right wing chain email. i am not on the nutjob mailing list.
Many doctors have already announced that will not accept O'bamacare patients because they would go bankrupt if they did. The government's payout on medical services rendered to patients in these groups is a total joke, you see: doctors sometimes receive only 30% of what they actually billed. And they can't negotiate, either. The government simply tells you what you "get" to receive in terms of payment, regardless of how much you actually billed as a doctor. 30% won't pay their rent or staff to do the O'bamacare paper work. What do you think is going to happen?

“Bill Clinton could have ”

Since: May 10

Prevented this

#1017831 Nov 4, 2013
RealDave wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow, faling back into the cancer in vaccines crock again.
Are there any conspiracy theories you don't believe?
Now you are saying the CDC lied? Well I never!

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