Barack Obama, our next President

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"The road ahead will be long. Our climb will be steep," Obama cautioned. Young and charismatic but with little experience on the national level, Obama smashed through racial barriers and easily defeated ...
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Yeah

Honolulu, HI

#1014567 Oct 30, 2013
forks_make_us_fat wrote:
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man-hater!!!!
I bet the first conversation you have every morning is with your VA J J!!!!!!!!!!
What's a VA J J son?
Laney F

New York, NY

#1014568 Oct 30, 2013
lily boca raton fl wrote:
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So, now you speak for all Europeans! Tell us which countries are going to completely change their healthcare systems to one like ours? You're insane. Our system sucks Carol, it always has.
From Forbes, Sept 14, 2013 - written by a Brit about nationalized health care (NHC) in the UK:

"...The one thing that socialised medical systems are not very good at is being responsive. The idea that treatment would start within a week has been, for most of the time the NHS has been in existence, and absurd hope not a reflection of reality. While things have got better, specifically for cancer treatments, it’s not unusual to find people being asked to wait 8 or 12 weeks before a course of treatment does start. And there are certainly cases where the delay in treatment has led a cancer to move from being treatable to being terminal.

...it’s not that the government doesn’t pay for medical treatment: it’s that the government does pay for medical treatment but will not pay for expensive medical treatment.

...even if you’ve been paying in your taxes religiously for 30 years, if your disease costs more than $45,000 to treat to give you another year of decent life then you’re just plain out of luck.

There is of course an alternative here: you can do just what White does (in Breaking Bad) and go private. That $90,000 treatment, if you can raise the money (presumably without cooking meth) can be bought on the open market even if the tax administrators have abandoned you. However, back in 2008 when the show started there would have been a little oddity to the system. Fortunately this has now been changed but it most certainly was true back then.

If you go private for treatment for a disease then the NHS will withdraw all taxpayer funded treatment for that disease.

It’s actually happened too: people have wanted to try out some very expensive cancer treating drug that the NHS will not pay for. So, they go private to gain access to that particular drug. At which point the NHS withdraws all treatment for that cancer. No visits even to a GP for monitoring, certainly no access to the public hospitals while the treatment is being given.

No, you must enter the private medical system entirely and wholly if any part of your treatment comes from that private sector.

Meaning that White’s financial situation would have been worse under the NHS than it was under the more free market US system.

Under the NHS White would have been offered, upon the receipt of that incurable lung cancer diagnosis, palliative care until his death. Fortunately the NHS does offer decent drugs, as many opiates as one might need. The actual final part, death, would probably not have been in a hospital but in a hospice. Hospices are not part of the National Health Service, they are purely private and charitable organisations: they are not paid for from tax revenues.

And that’s pretty much what would have been offered.

If White had wanted to try an expensive treatment from the private market, one that the NHS did not offer (as with his HMO in the TV show) then not only would White have had to pay that treatment directly, he would also have had to pay for all of the NHS treatment that he had already paid his taxes to receive. Including, for example, that palliative care and those opiates if the treatment did not work.

But the important point I want to get over here is that White would not simply have had all his treatment paid for under Britain’s NHS system. The expensive treatment he desired simply would not have been available from the tax paid system at all. And if he had bought it privately then all of the other treatment from that tax paid system for his lung cancer would have been withdrawn."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/...
Buroc Millhouse Obama

Newington, CT

#1014569 Oct 30, 2013
Sebe-Lie-to-us just said the information being transferred on the website to the insurers for pricing is not reliable.

What excellent news!

Gives us lots of confidence in Obamacare!!!

Since: Jun 13

Orlando, FL

#1014570 Oct 30, 2013
Yeah wrote:
<quoted text>lol! Then you should leave the country! Hurry! Before everything goes to hell-in-a-handbag!
Too late. You and too many others voted for the handbasket.
Yeah

Honolulu, HI

#1014571 Oct 30, 2013
Eman wrote:
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didn't the Nazis also want to ban words?
And weren't they also for gun rights of Germans?

Since: Aug 13

Bozeman, MT

#1014572 Oct 30, 2013
USAsince1680 wrote:
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Sec. 1251 [42 U.S.C. 18011]. PRESERVATION OF RIGHT TO MAINTAIN EXISTING COVERAGE
a) No Changes to Existing Coverage
LOL...yeah, right.

Comply with THE AUTHORITY and their elaborate plans, or else.

"The promise of successful national management was a key part of fascism’s appeal, mixed with surging national pride, which enabled fascist control by allowing the State to portray itself as the avatar of popular will."
dem

United States

#1014573 Oct 30, 2013
Good morning, tea bag terrorists.
dem

United States

#1014574 Oct 30, 2013
Ray Donovan wrote:
Fascist Obama tells insurance companies to shut up, if they know whatÂ’s good for them.

More thug tactics from a White House that is no stranger to them, as CNN reports insurance companies have been warned to dummy up about the ObamaCare disaster if they know whatÂ’s good for them.

During a segment on CNN’s Anderson Cooper 360 last night, Griffin revealed that insurance companies had been told to “keep quiet” about the fact that millions of Americans are being told that they cannot keep their existing policies, contradicting Barack Obama’s promise that,“If…you like your plan, you can keep your doctor, you can keep your plan.”

“Basically, if you speak out, if you are quoted, you’re going to get a call from the White House, pressure to be quiet. Several sources tell me and my colleague Chris Frates that insurance executives are being told to keep quiet,” said Griffin, adding,“Sources (are) telling us they fear White House retribution.”
Gunner for sure

Since: May 13

Location hidden

#1014575 Oct 30, 2013
Ray Donovan wrote:
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Your point is what, it's acceptable for politicians to lie?
My point is that Obama based what he said on the information he was working with at the time he said it, allegedly just like Bush. Unlike Bush's lie, Obama was trying to HELP Americans, not trick us into an unprovoked unnecessary war that KILLED Americans.
Yeah

Honolulu, HI

#1014576 Oct 30, 2013
Fenris the Big Bad Wolf wrote:
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I actually have my own small country, dong. You have a job as the head chef here at the Fenris Chicken Ranch whenever you come to your senses (and trim off a couple hundred extra pounds).....
lol! Yep! I'm sure it's a great big country filled with great big women with blond hair and blue eyes as well as meeting other physical attributes!
dem

United States

#1014577 Oct 30, 2013
LoisLane59 wrote:
<quoted text>He even emphasized his very specific promise with "period" numerous times which usually means "no ifs, ands or buts."

The question now becomes: Did he lie to us intentionally or because no one ever tells him anything?

And if no one ever tells him anything, who is in charge on Capital Hill?
Dumb carol proving just how dumb she is.
forks_make_us_fa t

Norman, OK

#1014578 Oct 30, 2013
USAsince1680 wrote:
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Sec. 1251 [42 U.S.C. 18011]. PRESERVATION OF RIGHT TO MAINTAIN EXISTING COVERAGE
a) No Changes to Existing Coverage
(1) In General - Nothing in this Act (or an Amendment made by this act) shall be construed to require that an individual terminate coverage under a group health plan or health insurance coverage in which such individual was enrolled on the date of enactment of this Act.
You are dumb...

Private Pyle...

Do you think you can make the Government follow the laws it creates?

How do you plan on doing that?
Buroc Millhouse Obama

Newington, CT

#1014579 Oct 30, 2013
I am not a crook!
dem

United States

#1014580 Oct 30, 2013
Ray Donovan wrote:
<quoted text>Your point is what, it's acceptable for politicians to lie?
You voted for those lying tea baggers, you tell me.
Yeah

Honolulu, HI

#1014581 Oct 30, 2013
No Surprize wrote:
<quoted text>It's the culture...
repeat please
dem

United States

#1014582 Oct 30, 2013
angel wrote:
<quoted text>Cheer up ... your meltdown is only a few hours away from your Happy Hour soak-up.
Nostrilfuckface for sure

Since: Jun 13

Orlando, FL

#1014583 Oct 30, 2013
Ray Donovan wrote:
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Your point is what, it's acceptable for politicians to lie?
Well, there's a political lie which all politicians are guilty of - what they want to happen and hope will happen but doesn't end up happening because of the opposition.

And then there's the intentional lie - with no one else to blame.

Obamacare is Obama's baby. Period.

“fairtax.org”

Since: Dec 08

gauley bridge wv

#1014584 Oct 30, 2013
Homer wrote:
<quoted text>Wow. Nominated for dumbest post of the year award, possibly the decade. You are blaming the Bush Depression on Obama announcing his plan ot run for president.
I did not think anyone and I mean anyone could be this fcking stupid.
Only thing i can tell you is my boss at the time and the people who ran our customer companies started cutting the deadwood that summer. Throw in the minimum wage increase and there you go. A lot of people who were just hanging on got their fingers stomped.
Yeah

Honolulu, HI

#1014585 Oct 30, 2013
forks_make_us_fat wrote:
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Such a intellectual Giant...
Blame Bush!!!!!
you must have missed the fact bushie boy blamed bushie boy!

and that would have taken no intelligence at all to recognize!
Yeah

Honolulu, HI

#1014587 Oct 30, 2013
forks_make_us_fat wrote:
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Stop smoking dope!!!
lol! Still talking to yourself I see!

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