Barack Obama, our next President

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"The road ahead will be long. Our climb will be steep," Obama cautioned. Young and charismatic but with little experience on the national level, Obama smashed through racial barriers and easily defeated ...
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You hate Bush so much that you are acting stupidly like Dan Rather!
lol! You love bushie boy so much you've BECOME stupid... by choice!

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Fenris the Big Bad Wolf wrote:
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All the frisco phags have moved from the bathhouses to the forest rest stops, one too many bouts of pole-smking, and "kaboom".....
More curiosity about the gay lifestyle from the "Im not gay, I'm just curious" moron.
Those internal demons are begging to come out of the closet.
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Not going quite yet. Just read this on an email.
Don't know if anyone wants to take the time to verify the following provisions in Obamacare, but let's hope these aren't some of the surprises Pelosi warned us about.
Page 50/section 152:
The bill will provide insurance to all non-U.S. residents, even if they are here illegally.
Page 58 and 59:
The government will have real-time access to an individual's bank account and will have the authority to make electronic fund transfers from those accounts.

Can anyone disprove any or all of the above? I hope.
Sure Carol, everything you get in emails is God's honest truth. The fact is that these emails have been floating around since 2009. Let's take these one at a time;
All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
False. That’s simply not what the bill says at all. This page includes "SEC. 152. PROHIBITING DISCRIMINATION IN HEALTH CARE," which says that "except as otherwise explicitly permitted by this Act and by subsequent regulations consistent with this Act, all health care and related services (including insurance coverage and public health activities) covered by this Act shall be provided without regard to personal characteristics extraneous to the provision of high quality health care or related services." However, the bill does explicitly say that illegal immigrants can’t get any government money to pay for health care. Page 143 states: "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States." Current law prohibits illegal immigrants from participating in government health care programs.
The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
False. This section aims to simplify electronic payments for health services, the same sort of electronic payments that already are common for such things as utility bills or mortgage payments. The bill calls for the secretary of Health and Human Services to set standards for electronic administrative transactions that would "enable electronic funds transfers, in order to allow automated reconciliation with the related health care payment and remittance advice." There is no mention of "individual bank accounts" nor of any new government authority over them. Also, the section does not say that electronic payments from consumers is required.
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LoisLane59 wrote:
Not going quite yet. Just read this on an email.

Page 65/section 164:
The plan will be subsidized (by the government) for all union members, union retirees and for community organizations (such as the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now - ACORN).
Page 241 and 253:
Doctors will all be paid the same regardless of specialty, and the government will set all doctors' fees.
Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (read: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
Misleading. Page 65 is the start of a section (SEC. 164. REINSURANCE PROGRAM FOR RETIREES) that would set up a new federal reinsurance plan to benefit retirees and spouses covered by any employer plan, not just those run by labor unions or nonprofit groups. Specifically, it covers “retirees and ... spouses, surviving spouses and dependents of such retirees” who are covered by “employment-based plans” that provide health benefits. It’s open to any “group health benefits plan that ... is maintained by one or more employers, former employers or employee associations,” as well as voluntary employees’ beneficiary associations (page 66). Furthermore, the aim of the fund is to cut premiums, copays and deductibles for the retirees. Payment “shall not be used to reduce the costs of an employer.”
Doctors will all be paid the same regardless of specialty, and the government will set all doctors' fees.
Misleading. It’s true that page 253 refers to “relative value units” to be used when determining payment rates for doctor’s services, and that such RVUs would weigh factors “such as time, mental effort and professional judgment, technical skill and physical effort, and stress due to risk.” But this is nothing new; the government already uses RVUs when setting rates it will pay under Medicare. For example, the RVUs assigned to a colonoscopy are currently double the RVUs assigned to an intermediate office visit. In fact, page 253 is part of a section (Sec. 1122) that sets up a process for correcting existing but “potentially misvalued” rates.
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Cancer hospital will ration care according to the patient's age.
Page 317 and 321:
The government will impose a prohibition on hospital expansion; however, communities may petition for an exception.
Page 425, line 4-12:
The government mandates advance-care planning consultations. Those on Social Security will be required to attend an "end-of-life planning" seminar every five years.
Page 429, line 13-25:
The government will specify which doctors can write an end-of-life order.
Can anyone disprove any or all of the above? I hope.
Page 272/section 1145:
Cancer hospital will ration care according to the patient's age.
False. This page merely calls for a study of whether a certain class of hospitals incur higher costs than some others for the cancer care they deliver. It also says the secretary of HHS “shall provide for an appropriate adjustment” in payments “to reflect those higher costs.” It’s hardly “rationing” to pay hospitals more to compensate for higher costs.
Page 317 and 321:
The government will impose a prohibition on hospital expansion; however, communities may petition for an exception.
False. Expansion is forbidden only for rural, doctor-owned hospitals that have been given a waiver from the general prohibition on self-referral. It does not apply to hospitals in general. The bill provides for exceptions to even this limited expansion ban (page 321).
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The government mandates advance-care planning consultations. Those on Social Security will be required to attend an "end-of-life planning" seminar every five years.
Page 429, line 13-25:
The government will specify which doctors can write an end-of-life order.
False. These claims are a twisted interpretation of a provision in the bill that says Medicare will cover voluntary counseling sessions between seniors and their doctors to discuss end-of-life care. Medicare doesn’t pay for such sessions now; it would under the bill. End-of-life care discussions include talking about a living will, hospice care, designating a health care proxy and making decisions on what care you want to receive at the end of your life. Doctors do the consulting, not the "government" or a "bureaucracy." The e-mail author’s assertion that the bill calls for "an ORDER from the GOVERNMENT" for end-of-life plans rests on language about a patient drawing up such an order stipulating their wishes, and having that order signed by a physician. There’s nothing about "an order from the government." The bill defines an order for life-sustaining treatment as a document that "is signed and dated by a physician …[and] effectively communicates the individual’s preferences regarding life sustaining treatment." See our article "False Euthanasia Claims" for more on such assertions.
So as you see Carol all of these assertions are either false or misleading.

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The idea that recent mass shooters are mostly registered Democrats is a myth
1. Nidal Hasan (the Ft. Hood shooter) lived in either Virginia (his state of residence prior to being sent to Ft. Hood) or Texas, neither of which has partisan registration. Therefore the claim that he was a "registered Democrat" is false. I do not know if he voted or how he voted, but I do know that unless he was registered in a state in which he did not reside, that the claim that he is a registered Democrat is FALSE.
2. Since Virginia does not have partisan registration there is also no way to tell whether Seung-Hui Cho was a Democrat, but again because there is no partisan registration in the state we can say that the claim that he is a registered Democrat is FALSE.(Update: A more obvious point is that Cho was a resident alien, not a US citizen, so he was not eligible to vote in the US)
3. The allegation that James Holmes was registered Democrat was based on a Breitbart blogger Joel B. Pollack, who found voter registration records for a DIFFERENT James Holmes who was about the same age. Alex Jones’ Infowars and other right-wing websites then dutifully repeated the lie without verifying it. It was later determined that the Colorado Theater Shooter James Holmes was NOT registered to vote, as evidenced by this retraction:{Newly-released information on the suspect’s birthdate (which, as indicated in our initial report, was a slight mismatch), combined with new details Breitbart News has obtained about the suspect’s likely addresses, together suggest that the suspect may, in fact, not have been registered to vote.}. However, most of right-wing media continued to promote the lie without printing Breitbart sites retraction. The claim that James Holmes was a registered Democrat is FALSE.
http://www.examiner.com/article/the-idea-that...
Hasan was a registered Democrat.
Hui Cho sent hate mail to the Bush administration multiple times.
James Holmes worked on Obama's campaign.

so much for your denial....
So, why are mass murderers attracted to the Democratic Party?

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Page 272/section 1145:
Cancer hospital will ration care according to the patient's age.
False. This page merely calls for a study of whether a certain class of hospitals incur higher costs than some others for the cancer care they deliver. It also says the secretary of HHS “shall provide for an appropriate adjustment” in payments “to reflect those higher costs.” It’s hardly “rationing” to pay hospitals more to compensate for higher costs.
Page 317 and 321:
The government will impose a prohibition on hospital expansion; however, communities may petition for an exception.
False. Expansion is forbidden only for rural, doctor-owned hospitals that have been given a waiver from the general prohibition on self-referral. It does not apply to hospitals in general. The bill provides for exceptions to even this limited expansion ban (page 321).
Page 425, line 4-12:
The government mandates advance-care planning consultations. Those on Social Security will be required to attend an "end-of-life planning" seminar every five years.
Page 429, line 13-25:
The government will specify which doctors can write an end-of-life order.
False. These claims are a twisted interpretation of a provision in the bill that says Medicare will cover voluntary counseling sessions between seniors and their doctors to discuss end-of-life care. Medicare doesn’t pay for such sessions now; it would under the bill. End-of-life care discussions include talking about a living will, hospice care, designating a health care proxy and making decisions on what care you want to receive at the end of your life. Doctors do the consulting, not the "government" or a "bureaucracy." The e-mail author’s assertion that the bill calls for "an ORDER from the GOVERNMENT" for end-of-life plans rests on language about a patient drawing up such an order stipulating their wishes, and having that order signed by a physician. There’s nothing about "an order from the government." The bill defines an order for life-sustaining treatment as a document that "is signed and dated by a physician …[and] effectively communicates the individual’s preferences regarding life sustaining treatment." See our article "False Euthanasia Claims" for more on such assertions.
So as you see Carol all of these assertions are either false or misleading.
There you go again confusing the right wing whiners with the facts.

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<quoted text> Ran a few large ones. Owned a few small-midsize ones. You know crap about me. Employees are hired to do the work required. Nothing more, nothing less. If you or the owner/manager decide some may be worth more than that then that is your choice.
I know you from your posts.

Only a GD idiot would invest millions in new buildings & spend tens of thousands on advertising only to put their customers in front of a minimum wage employee with no benefits.

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I know you from your posts.
Only a GD idiot would invest millions in new buildings & spend tens of thousands on advertising only to put their customers in front of a minimum wage employee with no benefits.
You obviously have no concept of what something like a "business plan" is.
But, business plans aren't relly important to communists, are they?
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I know you from your posts.
Only a GD idiot would invest millions in new buildings & spend tens of thousands on advertising only to put their customers in front of a minimum wage employee with no benefits.
Yeah, the smart ones pay decent according to apptitude levels and would offer AFFORDABLE optional plans-NOT free rides.
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You obviously have no concept of what something like a "business plan" is.
But, business plans aren't relly important to communists, are they?
Hiel z'ozombietics-Gulag camps, fwee cell phones and gruel fer ever one.
lol

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Syria...
What is happening in Syria is not civil war. It is Suni Wahhabist trying to take control of the government and replace the Iranian Shi'ite influence. It's nothing more than the usual Suni-Shi'ite bullshit.
Who are the "rebels" in Syria?
Al Qaeda.
Who are the "extablishment" in Syria?
Iranian dupes.

Russia will send their most advanced anti ship missiles to Syria.

This will be just one more time the Russians prove Obama is Putin's bitch.

Now, why would Obama get sailors killed backing Al Qaeda in their attempt to take control of Syria?

It's a no-win situation. Any way it turns out, the government of Syria will be an enemy of the United States.
Besides, why the fuck are we helping Al Qaeda? We should be helping the Syrian government kill them.

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I know you from your posts.
Only a GD idiot would invest millions in new buildings & spend tens of thousands on advertising only to put their customers in front of a minimum wage employee with no benefits.
McDonald's comes to mind. Burger King? Let's see, Olive Garden just built a new restaurant around here. Waiters and waitresses don't even get minimum wage without tips! You were saying?

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Actually two of the businesses I owned the employees got paid piece work. No work, no pay. Best way to do it in my opinion.
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I'm an official racist scumbag pos because I don't trust this president or his motives?
Wow.
If GWB had been black, would that have made you an official racist scumbag pos too?
The color of people's skin really does matter to you, huh?
Rationalize it all you want Carol but when George W. Bush was elected those on both sides of the aisle were willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and work with him. Democrats didn't gather on the night of his inauguration and take a blood oath to block anything he proposed like the Republicans did at the Caucus Room. No Democrat from the Senate declared that their primary goal was to make him a one term president. No one burned a white church to the ground on the night he was elected as happened to a black church in Springfield Massachusetts the night Obama won.
No Carol, right from the beginning people like you were willing to buy into the innuendoes and asinine conspiracy theories simply because he was the black guy with a funny name. Slice it any way you want but that spells racism.
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Sorry, but that source is incorrect. There were actually a total of 1360 murders in 2012 just in the top 10 murder cities alone (mostly urban negro areas, obviously). I'm sure a few anglos squeaked into the figures below, but very very few....
America's 10 Deadliest Cities 2012
1: Flint, Michigan
With 66 murders, or 64.9 murders for every 100,000 citizens, Flint’s homicide rate far exceeded its competitors, making it America’s deadliest city of 2012. Flint is plagued by illegal guns that have wound up in the hands of young people involved with the illegal drug trade.
2: Detroit, Michigan
In Detroit, there were 386 homicides, or 54.6 murders for every 100,000 citizens in 2012 - up 10% from 2011.
3: New Orleans, Louisiana
Despite the fact that in 2012 New Orleans saw a slight decrease in the murder rate from 2011, it still ranks third on the list of America’s deadliest cities. There were 193 murders in 2012, or 53.5 murders for every 100,000 citizens. O
4: St. Louis, Missouri
In 2012, there were 113 murders in St. Louis, or 35.5 murders for every 100,000 citizens - the same number as 2011.
5: Baltimore, Maryland
The city saw a 10% jump in the murder rate for 2012, with 217 homicides, or 35 murders for every 100,000 citizens. D
6: Birmingham, Alabama
Birmingham saw 72 murders, or 33.7 murders for every 100,000 citizens, a rate up 21.4% from last year.
7: Newark, New Jersey
There were 92 murders in Newark in 2012, or 33.1 murders for every 100,000 citizens, making it tied with Oakland for 7th deadliest city in America.
7: Oakland, California
In 2012, Oakland saw its highest number of murders since 2006, with 131 murders, or 33.1 murders for every 100,000 citizens.
8: Baton Rouge, Louisiana
There was a 4.7% rise in the murder rate for Baton Rouge, with 67 murders, or 28.9 for every 100,000 citizens in 2012.
9: Cleveland, Ohio
Cleveland has seen its fair share of violence and 2012 was no exception. The murder rate climbed from 75 in 2011 to 97 in 2012, or 24.6 murders for every 100,000 citizens.
10: Memphis, Tennessee
The murder rate in Memphis has continued to climb for three consecutive years, with a total of 157 people killed in 2012, or 24.1 murders for every 100,000 citizens. Memphis police director Toney Armstrong said around 90% of last year's homicides involved individuals who knew one another and that African American males under the age of 25 commited most of the city's homicides.
2010 murders.....

whites - 4,261

blacks - 4,209

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in...

rape...

whites - 10,178

blacks - 4,925

ok black folks, lock up you daughters when whitey is roaming free. just don't lock them up in a school. if you do rape will be the least of their problems when whitey shows up.
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Hasan was a registered Democrat.
Hui Cho sent hate mail to the Bush administration multiple times.
James Holmes worked on Obama's campaign.
so much for your denial....
So, why are mass murderers attracted to the Democratic Party?
you've got nothing.

and thank god for level headed black woman who talk white shooters out of killing white children. wouldn't want that 84% white on white murder stat to get any higher.
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This was also in that email.
Today, I went to the doctor for my monthly B12 shot that I have been getting for a number of years. The nurse came and got me, got out the needle filled and ready to go then looked at the computer and got very quiet and asked if I was prepared to pay for it. I said no that my insurance takes care of it. She said that Medicare had turned it down and went to talk to my Dr. about it. 15 minutes later she came back and said, she was sorry but they had tried every thing they could but Medicare is beginning to turn many things down for seniors because of the projected ObamaCare coming in. She was brushing at tears and said, "Some day they too will get old" I am so very sorry!!"
Any thoughts from anyone?
Sure Carol, my thought is that you made this story up out of whole cloth.
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You claimed to be a Buddhist while I have never claimed to be a Christian, Buddhist, Muslim, Holy Man or Used Car Salesman.
It has long been my experience that those who loudly claim to adhere to a certain philosophy or religion are but half-empty bottles - they make the most noise.
As it is written, you will know them by their works.
And certainly not by their braying in public.
that has been my experience also.

something you encounter quite often in the Bible Belt.

and was i making noise about being a Buddhist? i thought i was just pointing out Christian hypocrisy.
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Former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean (D) on Sunday said Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) "doesn't know anything about healthcare" and questioned his suitability for higher office.

"Ted Cruz may be a very good politician, but he certainly does not know anything about health care," Dean said on CNN's "State of the Union."

The former governor called Cruz's plan for cross-state health insurance purchasing a "terrible idea," saying he wouldn't want Texas' insurance policies affecting Vermont's universal health care.

"So, these are crazy ideas from the far right," Dean said. "He's a slick spokesman and God help us if he ever does get to be anything more than the senator from Texas."

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