Barack Obama, our next President

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"The road ahead will be long. Our climb will be steep," Obama cautioned. Young and charismatic but with little experience on the national level, Obama smashed through racial barriers and easily defeated ...

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Leadville Lou

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NJ raider 1 wrote:
<quoted text> You don't rule out war with Iran when that man has publicly announced he withwipe Israel poff the map if he get nuclear capability. That's the only war in need of support by the American people. 1st Israel then America. He's been in opposition of America since he's took control.
By the way, those ragheaded idiots who run Iran are bluffing, they know they'd be annihilated and unlike the brainwashed suicide fools they get to strap bombs on themselves, they want to live.
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NJ raider 1 wrote:
<quoted text> You don't rule out war with Iran when that man has publicly announced he withwipe Israel poff the map if he get nuclear capability. That's the only war in need of support by the American people. 1st Israel then America. He's been in opposition of America since he's took control.
Your boy Tiger is in a world of hurt, but so is Mickleson. 3 Aussies in the hunt.
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9/11 ring a bell? So often Bush's detractors act like 9/11 never happened. Is it your claim 9/11 was meaningless as faR AS OUR BUDGETS and defense spending is concerned?
Uh... Lou...

My rebuttal's main point was that the economic rot did not begin under Clinton. You look ridiculous in spewing such a non sequitur response.

Here's the post again. READ CAREFULLY.

Cway writes:

Yes, I'll agree the GOP Congress deserves credit for balancing the budget and keeping spending in check during Clinton's time in office.
But that raises the question... why were they so tight with Clinton while giving Reagan and both Bushes everything they wanted?
The answer is simple. Spending is what makes politicians popular. So GOP motives were based more on whittling down Clinton's chances for re-election and his legacy than anything else. Try to remember they went after him throughout the six years they held the majority, even impeaching him for lying about an extra-marital affair.
The same GOP which let GW Bush off the hook for launching a war of aggression based on lies.
Returning to the spending issue, the enormous deficits we have today started with Reagan, slowed greatly under Clinton, then went wild again under GW Bush.
The strength of a nation is greatly based on its wealth. Well, you Republicans are mostly to blame for the state we're in. You're only frugal when it hurts the political opposition.
To suggest the rot began under Clinton who added only 1.6 trillion to the natonal debt, compared to the 5.7 tallied by GW Bush is sheer nonsense, and you know better.
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You missed the main point.
The lesson we should have learned from Vietnam was the danger of creating a massive spy agency with the power to control portions of our military and with no accountability for its actions.
Nah, I got it, the spy agencies are working for the president, the politicians, Johnson, Kennedy,Eisenhower, Nixon, they were calling the shots.

Do you ever get down on your hands and knees and thank Zeus, God, Allah you were born here and not some 3rd world hellhole?

I do.

“wake up”

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Lily Boca Raton Fl wrote:
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How do you feel about Rick Warrens son buying a gun online and having it shipped to him?
as long as he was of age and not a fellon I have no problem with it. Again the problem is not the gun.and we have laws and policy reguarding how a gun can be shiped. You can't just send one by mail .

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Leadville Lou

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Obama's debt was compelled by the economic disaster your chimp left behind.
Case closed.
Sorry, your chimp Oblamer has been in charge for over 4 years.

Going to keep avoiding 9/11 and the after math I see. Typical liberal, when the going gets tough, you get going.

Do you remember when candidate Obama said he was going to cut the deficit in half? Was he lying or just too ignorant to know what he was saying?

Me? I think he was pandering to the LIV people, like he still does today.
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Hardly, I criticize Bush for his "compassionate conservatism" and his unwillingness to fight the dems on their desired increases in social spending. Republicans are far from perfect, an elusive concept at best, but they are soooooooo much better than the only real viable alternative, the democrats and their creeping socialism and fascist desires to completely control out lives..
This is a typical McCarthyesque-style speech, not a reasoned argument.

Creeping socialism? How about creeping fascism?

Such as the extremist statues in our narcotics laws which have created an over-the-top police prsence throughout the country. The right of big brother to barge into your home on the basis of secret informants. Police departments that possess tanks, machineguns and can set up "check points" in your neighborhood at will. Can pull you over for not wearing a seatbelt and search you and your car. To confiscate your home and car if they find one marijuana seed.

Tell us once more about "creeping socialism".
Cway

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Leadville Lou wrote:
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From emam or somebody:
"I get so tired of educating those who refuse to acknowledge the truth. For the last time, the Bush Tax cuts resulted in 54 straight months of economic growth. The recession occurred after Democrats gained control of Congress and began wildly borrowing and spending trillions of dollars and implementing their bone-headed and supremely irresponsible fiscal policy."
The economic numbers don't lie. Take a look for yourself:
http://forecast-chart.com/chart-gdp-rate.html
The economy grew every single quarter until Q4 of 2008. That's solid continual economic growth that directly resulted from the Bush Tax Cuts.
The economy didn't take a shit until a year and a half after Democrats took over Congress and their socialist policies were in place.
And Bush was forced to deal with the effects of 9/11, remember?
According to the GAO, the recession began in December, 2007 marked by three straight quarters of negative growth.

Which means for your argument to hold up, the Democrats would have had to have exerted a strong negative effect by early March, 2007. So please show us what legislation they passed which did this.

The Senate in January, 2007 consisted of 49 Democrats, 49 Republicans and 2 Independents. The Democrat majority was based on those two Independents lining up with them. So it was a weak majority, indeed.

In summary, you have us believe the Republicans lacked the ability to filibuster any bill to death in the Senate they didn't like.

Or that Bush could not have vetoed any bill he didn't like, given that Democrats lacked the 67 Senate votes necessary to override him.

With that, your case is dead and buried.
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Not true, they were just better than having the communists take over and enslave the majority of the people. Like in Cuba, N. Korea, Viet Nam, etc.
Venezuela is still an elective democracy. And according to the UN, Chavez has raised the standard of living.

Now defend Reagan's support of such torture/secret police regimes as Chile under Pinochet. Or the Christiani government of El Salvador. These rightists are guilty of mass murder. Nothing Chavez has done comes close.
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Leadville Lou wrote:
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can you do better?
I sure can. By keeping my mouth shut rather than coming up with dumbazzed jokes like that one.
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Leadville Lou wrote:
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I have it on good authority Dave and his goat's relationship would be strictly platonic, something about Dave losing his manhood in a steel mill accident.
Weak.
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Nah, I got it, the spy agencies are working for the president, the politicians, Johnson, Kennedy,Eisenhower, Nixon, they were calling the shots.
Do you ever get down on your hands and knees and thank Zeus, God, Allah you were born here and not some 3rd world hellhole?
I do.
I've been thinking about it more in recent times.

Still, this is no justification for us to play world bully in the same manner as cold war Russia.

We have come a long way since FDR's Good Neighbor policy. And I don't mean that as a compliment.
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FROM a "moron" that won't SHUT UP about Romney losing ...
He KNOWS it
WE know it!
He conceded :) A looooooong time ago!

BUT
moronic libTURDS want to keep bringing it up ...
Here IS his answer
and
ALSO
for his ILK!

:)
Uncle Tab wrote:
Wonder why Romney didn't take this election to the SCOTUS??
Nevermind.... Even they know he lost. Only ones who don't get it?? Uneducated republicans.
Who's the leader of the idiots? Karl Rove.
Thank You, thank You very much.
Heh
Why the GOP won’t challenge vote fraud
Posted on November 15, 2012 by Dr. Eowyn

Friends and Patriots,

It’s major duct tape time ’cause you’ll need it to keep your head from exploding.

Are you ready for this?

Here we go...
...
ut our screaming and hollering are to no avail. No one is listening to us. Not even the Republican Party.

Here’s why...

The Republican Party made an agreement 30 years ago with the Democrat Party NOT to ensure voting integrity and NOT to pursue suspected vote fraud.

Yes. You read it correctly.

As modified in 1987, the Consent Decree defined “ballot security activities” to mean “ballot integrity, ballot security or other efforts to prevent or remedy vote fraud.”

Since 1982, that Consent Decree has been renewed every year by the original judge, Carter appointee District Judge Dickinson R. Debevoise, now 88 years old. Long retired, Debevoise comes back yearly for the sole purpose of renewing his 1982 order for another year.

Surprise! The judge who denied the RNC’s appeal to “vacate” the 1982 Consent Decree is an

Obama appointee ...

Judge Joseph Greenaway, Jr.,

of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit.

MORE HERE:
http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2012/1...

joandarc November 15, 2012 at 10:50 am ...
Indeed, Dr. Eowyn, this is the most important post you have ever written. What happened in this Consent Decree is absolutely unthinkable, unfathomable and frankly, I have no words to describe how crooked it is and the fact that the same judge came back every year, although retired, to tend to this Decree is an indictment in and of itself.

All of these facts are really remarkable reflecting that Obama was chosen for the presidency many years ago. It is also incredible that Obama’s court appointee denied the recent Republican Party’s attempt to eradicate this Consent Decree, most probably because of the recent voter fraud issues. The fact that the DNC’S 2012 Platform excluded any mention of God, also verifies that the Communists, atheists, have taken over the Democratic Party and its platforms and issues, insuring that the five non-negotiable issues, intrinsically evil practices, go their way, i.e. abortion, euthanasia, embryonic stem cell research, human cloning and homosexual marriage.

As you know, we are faced with more than a breakdown of the Republican Party, we are faced with pure evil,“in your face” evil and the Democrats and their regime know it and they don’t care about it.
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AMEN!
Cway

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Leadville Lou wrote:
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Nah, I got it, the spy agencies are working for the president, the politicians, Johnson, Kennedy,Eisenhower, Nixon, they were calling the shots.
You should read Fletcher Prouty's "The Secret Team" which I am slowly and painfully grinding my way through.

Prouty, a former USAF focal point officer (coordinated with the CIA in black ops) had both an intimate knowledge of CIA covert operations and knew many of the top officials within the agency.

Much of the secrecy surrounding the CIA is not for the purpose of national security, but to shield it from revelation of its criminal activities.

Prouty further makes the case that the agency has its own agenda. Many of the presidential advisors in State, Defense and the Pentagon are Agency assets pretending to be independent voices of reason.
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St Black Pope wrote:
<quoted text>Your hypocrisy is telling...So, which is it, a president is responsible for what happens under his watch or the former president is responsible.
Depends on the circumstances, doesn't it?
If it is the former president, the Bill Clinton started the economic disaster by repealing the Glass-Steagall Act
Under Clinton, the repeal of Glass-Steagall Act was passed by a GOP majority in Congress. Yes, Clinton signed off on it. But we all know why the GOP deregulates in this fashion, which is to turn loose the business wolves on the public. The Jeff Skillings of this world, so to speak.

The Republican congress of that period also passed legislation which grossly weakened accounting standards, allowing corporations to play fast and loose with their financial reports. This led to the Enron, Tyco and Worldcom meltdowns.

They also pressured the Clinton administration so heavily in pursuit of their agenda, they shut down the government at one point. Not to mention constant investigations of Clinton which went nowhere.

“My Life Is A Shell Game”

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Emaam wrote:
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Anyone else notice that conservatives are the only ones that ever mention animals as potential sex partners?
Mentioning it is one thing but participating in it is another. Talk to Emergency Ward techs about how Gerbils are routinely pulled out dead from gay sex orifices.

...along with spatulas, bottles, etc.....

“Plays well with others.”

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KALI SPELL wrote:
I Have Started To Say by Philip Larkin
I have started to say
"A quarter of a century"
Or "thirty years back"
About my own life.
It makes me breathless
It's like falling and recovering
In huge gesturing loops
Through an empty sky.
All that's left to happen
Is some deaths (my own included).
Their order, and their manner,
Remain to be learnt.
MONTANA!!! Happy Easter!!!! And Aloha.....off to Hawaii this week for a cruise around the islands. Mama and Sister and I are heading WEST!
Cway

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St Black Pope wrote:
<quoted text>So, Bush inherited it and the CIA and Clinton knew of a possible attack like 911 and did nothing.
A true Republican you are, meaning you play fast and loose with history.

To begin, there were terror attacks under Reagan such as the Achille Lauro incident and Pan Am bombing over Lockerbie, Scotland.

The first atttack on the Twin Towers occurred in February, 1993 just five weeks into Clinton's first term.

Using your logic, that means Reagan and GHW Bush were responsible.

Clinton had no advance knowledge of 9-11, nor of the attacks on the African embassies or USS Cole. I might add, the Navy was fully aware of the risks in having the Cole where it was.

Bush was warned by Tenet five weeks before 9-11 struck and did nothing. Did Clinton freeze Bush's brain? Something must have.
So, when the new president is in place in 2016, then his problems will be because of Obama.
Strictly your opinion. I would argue Bush's two unfinished wars, doubling of the national debt and the Republican Party's failure to rein in the banks created a point of no return.
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St Black Pope wrote:
<quoted text>Clinton did nothing regarding Iraq and Afghanistan, Saddam and Bib Haden.
You mean Bin Laden, I presume.

The issue with regard to Iraq was disarmament, and there is a fluctuating history there. In 1998, concern was expressed by UN weapon inspectors over whether Iraq was in compliance.

In response, Clinton authorized a cruise missile strike and imposed severe economic sanctions. These actions appear to have had effect because by 1999, the inspectors shifted from their earlier view to one that Iraq was largely disarmed.

Former inspector, Scott Ritter, who resigned in 1998 in protest over the lack of UN vigor with regard to Iraq had this to say in June, 1999:

"When you ask the question,'Does Iraq possess militarily viable biological or chemical weapons?' the answer is no! It is a resounding NO. Can Iraq produce today chemical weapons on a meaningful scale? No! Can Iraq produce biological weapons on a meaningful scale? No! Ballistic missiles? No! It is 'no' across the board. So from a qualitative standpoint, Iraq has been disarmed. Iraq today possesses no meaningful weapons of mass destruction capability."

So Clinton did do something and it worked.

Afghanistan was not a major issue during the Clinton years. Bush paid no attention to it at all until after 9-11.

As for Bin Laden, you will have to spell your case in more detail. Unlike you Republicans, I don't use a crystal ball to decipher my opponent's lack of clarity.
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Cway wrote:
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I sure can. By keeping my mouth shut rather than coming up with dumbazzed jokes like that one.
so you're a stick in the mud with no sense of humor?

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