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#887646 Apr 13, 2013
Leadville Lou wrote:
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What an ignorant, uneducated buffoon you are. The 2nd amendment and the right of the citizens to keep arms was put in specifically to allow the people to have a means to protect themselves from a tyranical GOVERNMENT, the federal government.
What a stupid embarrassment you are. Now go read a history book, doofus.
Its was the progressive Republicans too that stripped us of our 2nd amendment right on July 9, 1868 with their flawed 14th amendment which we didn't get our 2nd Amendment Right back Under US Constitution Bill of Rights until 2010 when SCOTUS used the Incorporation Clause of the 14th Amendment in McDonald v Chicago to Force the 2nd amendment down to the State level.

Incorporation of the Bill of Rights

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorporation_of...

The Fourteenth Amendment: The Framing of America's Second Constitution

The 14th Amendment is not only the most important amendment to the United States Constitution, according to constitutional scholar Garrett Epps ’91, it also effectively sets out all of the constitutional principles we live under today.

“None of the guarantees in the Bill of Rights applied against state government. States were free to restrict freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, and freedom of religion, and many of them did

http://law.duke.edu/news/1730/

Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amend...
Cway

United States

#887647 Apr 13, 2013
flack wrote:
<quoted text> I posted 4 or 5 quotes made during the writing of the Constitution. I could have posted a hundred more. It is quite clear the people's right to bear arms was the subject of the day. Not a militia.
The militia part is a subordinate phrase, with the main thought being Congress shall not infringe upon the right of the people to bear arms.

So I agree.
Cway

United States

#887648 Apr 13, 2013
nobamaredux wrote:
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Including the right to bear arms against a tyrannical government.
Hugo Chavez Obama will never leave office voluntarily, despite any Constitutional limit on terms of office.
Chavez's Party changed the Constitution legally which allowed him to stay in power.

I might add, Chavez is an angel compared to the Argentine military junta of the 1980s, the death squad government of El Salvador and Pinochet of Chile. The latter three being regimes enthusiastically supported by Reagan and Bush elder.
Cway

United States

#887649 Apr 13, 2013
Leadville Lou wrote:
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Real Dumb Dave desires to marry his goat.
Weak.
Leadville Lou

Denver, CO

#887650 Apr 13, 2013
RealDave wrote:
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First of all, Leadass Lou, that would be 22% of his gross income.
You pay tax on your taxable income that takes charitable contributions, deductions, etc into account.
Then, you idiot, if you are in the top bracket & filing jointly, you pay 39% only on the taxable income over $390K, not the entire amount.
Oblamer is a phony, lying ass hypocritical scumbag who doesn't pay his fair share, stop denying it, you look like a fool.

Is he the only one allowed to take exemptions, tax breaks, etc.?
Leadville Lou

Denver, CO

#887651 Apr 13, 2013
Cway wrote:
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Weak.
can you do better?
Leadville Lou

Denver, CO

#887652 Apr 13, 2013
Cway wrote:
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Chavez's Party changed the Constitution legally which allowed him to stay in power.
I might add, Chavez is an angel compared to the Argentine military junta of the 1980s, the death squad government of El Salvador and Pinochet of Chile. The latter three being regimes enthusiastically supported by Reagan and Bush elder.
Not true, they were just better than having the communists take over and enslave the majority of the people. Like in Cuba, N. Korea, Viet Nam, etc.
Cway

United States

#887653 Apr 13, 2013
Leadville Lou wrote:
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Of course I knew that, I know about everything there is to know.
Did you know that both world wars were the European imperialist colonialists fighting over their spoils they stole from the rest of the world?
LOL... NO, I didn't!

WW I was the result of German militarism. They declared war on Russia and France, then invaded Belgium. European colonialism was not a major factor. The Balkan crisis was the key conflict, with Austria backed by Germany on one side, and the Serbs backed by Russia on the other. With France allied to Russia by a defensive alliance.

WW II was also the result of German militarism, although to be more fair, it was the Nazi political movement which brought it about. Very few Germans would have given Hitler their vote had they known of his plan to launch another European war.
Leadville Lou

Denver, CO

#887654 Apr 13, 2013
Emaam wrote:
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Anyone else notice that conservatives are the only ones that ever mention animals as potential sex partners?
I have it on good authority Dave and his goat's relationship would be strictly platonic, something about Dave losing his manhood in a steel mill accident.
Cway

United States

#887655 Apr 13, 2013
Leadville Lou wrote:
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Case closed? Surely you jest and surely we want to know why you're leaving out president Oblamer and his so far $6 trillion in new debt.
Let me write it out:
$6,000,000,000,000 in new debt, so far.
PS, Clinton was indeed restrained by a republican congress, wisely he didn't fight it too much, he was practical and not the rigid ideologue Oblamer is.
Obama's debt was compelled by the economic disaster your chimp left behind.

Case closed.
Leadville Lou

Denver, CO

#887656 Apr 13, 2013
NJ raider 1 wrote:
<quoted text> You don't rule out war with Iran when that man has publicly announced he withwipe Israel poff the map if he get nuclear capability. That's the only war in need of support by the American people. 1st Israel then America. He's been in opposition of America since he's took control.
I agree, but by liberal logic, it's none of our business, just like Iraq. Right?

Who from your family will sign up to go to war with Iran?
Cway

United States

#887657 Apr 13, 2013
Leadville Lou wrote:
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I guess the lesson we should learn is to never help anyone, anywhere, anytime. Works well for the Swiss.
You missed the main point.

The lesson we should have learned from Vietnam was the danger of creating a massive spy agency with the power to control portions of our military and with no accountability for its actions.
Leadville Lou

Denver, CO

#887658 Apr 13, 2013
NJ raider 1 wrote:
<quoted text> You don't rule out war with Iran when that man has publicly announced he withwipe Israel poff the map if he get nuclear capability. That's the only war in need of support by the American people. 1st Israel then America. He's been in opposition of America since he's took control.
By the way, those ragheaded idiots who run Iran are bluffing, they know they'd be annihilated and unlike the brainwashed suicide fools they get to strap bombs on themselves, they want to live.
Leadville Lou

Denver, CO

#887659 Apr 13, 2013
NJ raider 1 wrote:
<quoted text> You don't rule out war with Iran when that man has publicly announced he withwipe Israel poff the map if he get nuclear capability. That's the only war in need of support by the American people. 1st Israel then America. He's been in opposition of America since he's took control.
Your boy Tiger is in a world of hurt, but so is Mickleson. 3 Aussies in the hunt.
Cway

United States

#887660 Apr 13, 2013
Leadville Lou wrote:
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9/11 ring a bell? So often Bush's detractors act like 9/11 never happened. Is it your claim 9/11 was meaningless as faR AS OUR BUDGETS and defense spending is concerned?
Uh... Lou...

My rebuttal's main point was that the economic rot did not begin under Clinton. You look ridiculous in spewing such a non sequitur response.

Here's the post again. READ CAREFULLY.

Cway writes:

Yes, I'll agree the GOP Congress deserves credit for balancing the budget and keeping spending in check during Clinton's time in office.
But that raises the question... why were they so tight with Clinton while giving Reagan and both Bushes everything they wanted?
The answer is simple. Spending is what makes politicians popular. So GOP motives were based more on whittling down Clinton's chances for re-election and his legacy than anything else. Try to remember they went after him throughout the six years they held the majority, even impeaching him for lying about an extra-marital affair.
The same GOP which let GW Bush off the hook for launching a war of aggression based on lies.
Returning to the spending issue, the enormous deficits we have today started with Reagan, slowed greatly under Clinton, then went wild again under GW Bush.
The strength of a nation is greatly based on its wealth. Well, you Republicans are mostly to blame for the state we're in. You're only frugal when it hurts the political opposition.
To suggest the rot began under Clinton who added only 1.6 trillion to the natonal debt, compared to the 5.7 tallied by GW Bush is sheer nonsense, and you know better.
Leadville Lou

Denver, CO

#887661 Apr 13, 2013
Cway wrote:
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You missed the main point.
The lesson we should have learned from Vietnam was the danger of creating a massive spy agency with the power to control portions of our military and with no accountability for its actions.
Nah, I got it, the spy agencies are working for the president, the politicians, Johnson, Kennedy,Eisenhower, Nixon, they were calling the shots.

Do you ever get down on your hands and knees and thank Zeus, God, Allah you were born here and not some 3rd world hellhole?

I do.

“wake up”

Since: Jan 10

utica ny

#887662 Apr 13, 2013
Lily Boca Raton Fl wrote:
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How do you feel about Rick Warrens son buying a gun online and having it shipped to him?
as long as he was of age and not a fellon I have no problem with it. Again the problem is not the gun.and we have laws and policy reguarding how a gun can be shiped. You can't just send one by mail .

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Leadville Lou

Denver, CO

#887663 Apr 13, 2013
Cway wrote:
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Obama's debt was compelled by the economic disaster your chimp left behind.
Case closed.
Sorry, your chimp Oblamer has been in charge for over 4 years.

Going to keep avoiding 9/11 and the after math I see. Typical liberal, when the going gets tough, you get going.

Do you remember when candidate Obama said he was going to cut the deficit in half? Was he lying or just too ignorant to know what he was saying?

Me? I think he was pandering to the LIV people, like he still does today.
Cway

United States

#887664 Apr 13, 2013
Leadville Lou wrote:
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Hardly, I criticize Bush for his "compassionate conservatism" and his unwillingness to fight the dems on their desired increases in social spending. Republicans are far from perfect, an elusive concept at best, but they are soooooooo much better than the only real viable alternative, the democrats and their creeping socialism and fascist desires to completely control out lives..
This is a typical McCarthyesque-style speech, not a reasoned argument.

Creeping socialism? How about creeping fascism?

Such as the extremist statues in our narcotics laws which have created an over-the-top police prsence throughout the country. The right of big brother to barge into your home on the basis of secret informants. Police departments that possess tanks, machineguns and can set up "check points" in your neighborhood at will. Can pull you over for not wearing a seatbelt and search you and your car. To confiscate your home and car if they find one marijuana seed.

Tell us once more about "creeping socialism".
Cway

United States

#887665 Apr 13, 2013
Leadville Lou wrote:
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From emam or somebody:
"I get so tired of educating those who refuse to acknowledge the truth. For the last time, the Bush Tax cuts resulted in 54 straight months of economic growth. The recession occurred after Democrats gained control of Congress and began wildly borrowing and spending trillions of dollars and implementing their bone-headed and supremely irresponsible fiscal policy."
The economic numbers don't lie. Take a look for yourself:
http://forecast-chart.com/chart-gdp-rate.html
The economy grew every single quarter until Q4 of 2008. That's solid continual economic growth that directly resulted from the Bush Tax Cuts.
The economy didn't take a shit until a year and a half after Democrats took over Congress and their socialist policies were in place.
And Bush was forced to deal with the effects of 9/11, remember?
According to the GAO, the recession began in December, 2007 marked by three straight quarters of negative growth.

Which means for your argument to hold up, the Democrats would have had to have exerted a strong negative effect by early March, 2007. So please show us what legislation they passed which did this.

The Senate in January, 2007 consisted of 49 Democrats, 49 Republicans and 2 Independents. The Democrat majority was based on those two Independents lining up with them. So it was a weak majority, indeed.

In summary, you have us believe the Republicans lacked the ability to filibuster any bill to death in the Senate they didn't like.

Or that Bush could not have vetoed any bill he didn't like, given that Democrats lacked the 67 Senate votes necessary to override him.

With that, your case is dead and buried.

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