Barack Obama, our next President

"The road ahead will be long. Our climb will be steep," Obama cautioned. Young and charismatic but with little experience on the national level, Obama smashed through racial barriers and easily defeated ... Full Story
TSM

El Paso, TX

#875648 Mar 18, 2013
RealDave wrote:
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Another right whiner blaming Obama for the Bush recession. Typical.
Especially love the way you right whiners punish little children for their parents not finding jobs in an economy that the Republicans destroyed under Bush.
RealDave Obama’s starting his 5th year as President the Economy in the Tank Hope and Change has wither on the vine, but Dave can you tell us once again the Story how’s it’s Bush’s Fault!!
John Galt

Temecula, CA

#875649 Mar 18, 2013
Jane Says wrote:
<quoted text>here's another fear for liberals: two parents who have finished high school, married and then had a child!!!! that was what Bloomberg is now promoting in NYC and the libs are besides themselves with shock and horror. meanwhile, NYC taxpayers pay well into the millions for baby mamas who can't get along with their own baby mama and want their own apartments.
'New York mayor Michael Bloomberg has drawn the ire of the poverty-industrial complex for launching a gutsy ad campaign against teen pregnancy. Posters in thousands of bus shelters and subways show tiny tots bewailing the bad news about teen pregnancy.“Because you had me as a teen,” cries one,“I’m twice as likely not to graduate high school.” Other stressed-out toddlers warn of the financial burdens their unwed mothers will face and the near certainty that their fathers won’t stick around. One little sage identifies the simplest way to avoid poverty: graduate from high school, get a job, and wait until marriage before having a child.
These are all incontrovertible facts that social science has known for decades but that professors and politicians have not dared inject into the public sphere. And the reason for their reticence is fully on display in the advocacy world’s reaction to the ad campaign. Like clockwork, Planned Parenthood of New York put out a press release blasting the ads for “stigmatizing” teen parents.'
Another fallacy of the liberal mindset is that everybody should get a college education.

The results is millions of kids piling up massive debt getting worthless degrees from third-rate diploma mills so that they can compete for jobs that do not require a college degree.
John Galt

Temecula, CA

#875650 Mar 18, 2013
The Slayer wrote:
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Yes...that does seem to the case at times.
Kinda sad...when you work harder and harder, but to many
people in the wagon and no enough people left to pull
the wagon.
Kinda think its time to tell the lazy slackers to get
the hell out and start pulling for a darn change.
Problem is that they will never pull the wagon as long as someone else is willing.

So maybe it's time to take a seat and let them pull the wagon or starve.
HOPE-WOW-COC-TRU TH-HEMLOC

Bronx, NY

#875651 Mar 18, 2013
No CHANGE ONLY HOPE FOR A HONEST POLITICIAN BUT THEY ALL LIE Ten Years Ago and Today: A Warfare State of Mind
A just-released report,“Iraq War Among World’s Worst Events,” provides a cogent summary of devastation so extensive and terrible that readers will be challenged to not turn away. In the report, David Swanson offers a 10-year overview of human consequences of moral turpitude for which no American official or propagandist has been held accountable.

Ten years after the invasion of Iraq, don’t expect the vast numbers of media hotshots and U.S. officials who propelled that catastrophe to utter a word of regret. Many are busy with another project: assisting the push for war on Iran.

Days ago, speaking of possible actions against Iran, President Obama told an Israeli TV reporter:“I continue to keep all options on the table.” Earlier this month, Vice President Biden told AIPAC’s annual conference that the president “is not bluffing.” Biden said “all options, including military force, are on the table.” Those statements are similar to the threats from President Bush and Vice President Cheney before the invasion of Iraq.
John Galt

Temecula, CA

#875652 Mar 18, 2013
The Slayer wrote:
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The draft is a needed tool in the event of a large war, like
WW11.
But only men should be drafted, not women.
I do not agree with social engineering in the Armed Forces.
Moving women more and more into combat roles...bad idea
Totally agree that the draft is involuntary servitude.

As for drafting women, sure women in combat is a bad idea, but if you're gonna allow that, then women should be drafted just like men.

Enemy soldiers will love the fresh meat.
The Slayer

Findlay, OH

#875653 Mar 18, 2013
carol wrote:
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If your hillbillyass wasn't so fat, maybe they wouldn't have you pullin' the wagon ... jus' sayin'...
Iam not a hillbilly or fat, but I do have to pull because
of lazy liberals, who think they are entitled to something
for nothing.
HOPE-WOW-COC-TRU TH-HEMLOC

Bronx, NY

#875654 Mar 18, 2013
Obama is Worse than Bush
in Favoring the Super-Elite, Bailing out the Banks and Protecting Financial Criminals
Even Democratic Party Loyalists Starting to Wake Up to the Fact that Obama Is As Bad As Bush … Or Worse

Obama Is Worse than Bush In Favoring the Super-Elite, Bailing Out the Big Banks, Protecting Financial Criminals, Targeting Whistleblowers, Keeping Government Secrets, Trampling Our Liberties and Starting Military Conflicts In New Countries

Glenn Greenwald notes that even Democratic party loyalists are getting fed up with Obama’s Bush-like actions:

Even the most loyal establishment Democrats are now harshly denouncing the president for his war on transparency ….

This secrecy has become so oppressive and extreme that even the most faithful Democratic operatives are now angrily exploding with public denunciations.

(Greenwald gives numerous examples.)

The Hill reported last month:

A majority of voters believe President Obama has been no better than his immediate predecessor, President George W. Bush, when it comes to balancing national security with the protection of civil liberties, according to a new poll for The Hill.

Thirty-seven percent of voters argue that Obama has been worse than Bush while 15 percent say he has been “about the same.”[In other words, a total of 52% think Obama is just as bad as Bush. That was before the drone controversy - discussed below - went viral.]

***

The results cannot be fully explained as party line responses. More than one in five self-identified Democrats, 21 percent, assert that the Obama administration has not improved upon Bush’s record. So do 23 percent of liberals.

Indeed, more and more Democrats are waking up the fact that Obama is doing a lot of the same stuff Bush did.

Bush was a horrible president. His warmongering, disrespect for civil liberties, redistribution of wealth from the poor and middle class to the super-elite, and obsession for secrecy were all abysmal.
HOPE-WOW-COC-TRU TH-HEMLOC

Bronx, NY

#875655 Mar 18, 2013
how does Obama stack up by objective measurements?

Let’s compare …

Favoring the Super-Elite the Expense of Everyone Else
Income inequality has increased more under Obama than under Bush.

Under Obama, the richest Americans have captured more than 100% of all income gains (and see this).

Liberal Nobel prize economist Joseph Stiglitz said in 2009 that Obama’s toxic asset plan “amounts to robbery of the American people”.

Bailing Out the Big Banks
While everyone knows about the $700 billion “Tarp” bailout which started under Bush, a top banking analyst puts the current bailouts under Obama at more than $780 billion each year.(Background here.)

Protecting Financial Criminals
Obama has prosecuted fewer financial crimes than President Reagan, Clinton or either of the Bush presidents.

Obama’s chief law enforcement officer – the Attorney General of the United States – has publicly stated that he won’t go after big banks.

Targeting Whistleblowers
Obama has prosecuted more whistleblowers than all other presidents combined.

Obama – even more than Bush – is protecting criminal activity by prosecuting and harassing whistleblowers.

Indeed, the Obama administration is are literally treating whistleblowers as terrorists.
John Galt

Temecula, CA

#875656 Mar 18, 2013
TSM wrote:
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RealDave Obama’s starting his 5th year as President the Economy in the Tank Hope and Change has wither on the vine, but Dave can you tell us once again the Story how’s it’s Bush’s Fault!!
Today Obama pissed away another day by nominating another token for a meaningless job.

One day closer to the end of the tunnel with no further damage done.
HOPE-WOW-COC-TRU TH-HEMLOC

Bronx, NY

#875657 Mar 18, 2013
OBAMA Using Government Secrecy
In March 2010, AP documented that – under Obama – 17 major agencies were 50 percent more likely to deny freedom of information requests than under Bush.

An ACLU staff attorney puts it:

In some ways, the Obama administration is actually even more aggressive on secrecy than the Bush administration.

A new AP investigation published last week shows that the Obama administration has recently become more secretive than ever.

Trampling Liberties and the Constitution
Liberals rightfully hate Bush for trampling liberties. Bush even called the Constitution a “God Damn Piece of Paper”.

But Obama has gone much further than Bush ever did by:

(1) Declaring the right to assassinate Americans living on U.S. soil (no … this was never disclaimed) without any due process of law

(2) Declaring that he can indefinitely detain Americans on U.S. soil without any due process of law

(3) Spying on Americans more widely than Bush (the former head of the National Security Agency’s global digital data gathering program – William Binney – says that he pervasiveness of spying under Obama has only “gotten worse”)

(4) Bush destroyed much of the separation of powers which made our country great. Under Obama, it’s gotten worse. For example, the agency which decides who should be killed by drone is the same agency which spies on all Americans

(5) Otherwise shredding the Bill of Rights
HOPE-WOW-COC-TRU TH-HEMLOC

Bronx, NY

#875658 Mar 18, 2013
OBAMA Starting Military Conflicts In New Countries
Liberals rightfully lambast Bush for getting us into the disastrous Iraq war.

But Obama has in fact launched wars in Libya, Syria, Yemen, Pakistan … and up to 35 African nations (and see this).

Obama – citing a Nixon administration official’s justification for invading Cambodia – has claimed his power extends into every country in the world … well beyond those where we are engaged in hostilities.

Obama has dramatically escalated the use of drone assassinations, which are creating many more terrorists than they are killing. The former chief military prosecutor at Guantanamo says that Obama’s drone surge is as damaging to our country as Bush’s torture program. I think he’s actually underestimating damage from the program, as drones have become the number 1 recruiting tool for Al Qaeda (especially since children are now being targeted for drone assassination … Oh, and torture is still happening on Obama’s watch; background).

And the Obama administration has probably supported even more terrorists – in Libya, Syria and elsewhere – than Bush. See this, this, this, this and this.
Realtime

Deltona, FL

#875659 Mar 18, 2013
John Galt wrote:
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That's what they all said in the dot.com boom
http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2010/technolog...
Well, the dot com boom was only frosting on the late 1990's cake wasn't it? As I recall there were plenty of places to make money way back then.
The Slayer

Findlay, OH

#875660 Mar 18, 2013
John Galt wrote:
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Problem is that they will never pull the wagon as long as someone else is willing.
So maybe it's time to take a seat and let them pull the wagon or starve.
You got that right...what a better motivator for
self-reliance then little bit of hunger.

Its not being mean or selfish or greedy or racist its just
the right thing to do.
HOPE-WOW-COC-TRU TH-HEMLOC

Bronx, NY

#875661 Mar 18, 2013
NSA Whistle-Blower: Obama “Worse than Bush”
The national security state needs a boogeyman to keep the money flowing
Thomas Drake, the whistle-blower whom the Obama administration tried and failed to prosecute for leaking information about waste, fraud and abuse at the National Security Agency, now works at an Apple store in Maryland. In an interview with Salon, Drake laughed about the time heconfronted Attorney General Eric Holder at his store while Holder perused the gadgetry on display with his security detail around him. When Drake started asking Holder questions about his case, America’s chief law enforcement officer turned and fled the store.

But the humor drained away quickly from Drake’s thin and tired face as he recounted his ordeal since 2010 when federal prosecutors charged him with violating the Espionage Act for retaining classified information they believed he would pass on to then Baltimore Sun reporter Siobhan Gorman. While Drake never disclosed classified information, he did pass on unclassified information to Gorman revealing that the NSA had wasted billions of taxpayers’ dollars on Trailblazer, a contractor-heavy intelligence software program that failed to find terrorist threats in the tsunami of digital data the agency was sucking up globally — and sometimes unconstitutionally. While Trailblazer burned through cash, in the process enriching many NSA employees turned contractors, Drake found that another software program named ThinThread had already met the core requirements of a federal acquisition regulation that governed the proposed system at a sliver of the cost, all while protecting American civil liberties at the code level. The NSA leadership, however, had already bet their careers on Trailblazer. So Drake blew the whistle, first to Congress, then to the Department of Defense Inspector General’s Office, and finally, and fatefully, to Gorman.

Last June, the government’s case collapsed. On the eve of trial, all 10 counts were dropped. In a Kafkaesque turn of events, Drake actually helped the government find a misdemeanor to charge him with — exceeding authorized use of an NSA computer — so federal prosecutors could save face. Once facing 35 years behind bars, Drake pled guilty to the misdemeanor charge and was sentenced to one year of probation and 240 hours of community service, what he sardonically calls “his penance.”
John Galt

Temecula, CA

#875662 Mar 18, 2013
Gosnell attorney: Prosecution “elitist, racist”

A Philadelphia prosecutor Monday morning opened the trial of West Philadelphia abortion doctor Kermit Gosnell.

Attorney Joanne Pescatore called it a case not about abortion but about murder.

Gosnell faces a possible death penalty if the jury finds him guilty.

Joseph A. Slobodzian, INQUIRER STAFF WRITER

Posted: Monday, March 18, 2013, 11:43 AM

Calling it a case not about abortion but about murder, a Philadelphia prosecutor this morning opened the trial of West Philadelphia abortion doctor Kermit Gosnell.

Assistant District Attorney Joanne Pescatore told the Common Pleas Court jury that evidence would show that Gosnell, 72, was a "wolf in sheep's clothing" who "used and abused desperate women."

Pescatore told the jury that abortion is legal in Pennsylvania up until the 24th week of pregnancy. Gosnell, however, specialized in what the prosecutor called "high-volume high-profit" illegal late-term abortions that "almost guarantee a live birth."

"If a baby is born alive, it's alive and no one has the right to take some solution to kill it," Pescatore said.

Defense attorney Jack McMahon gave the jury a starkly different view of the case, telling the jury that prosecutors are trying to impose "Mayo Clinic" standards on a West Philadelphia clinic that serves the urban poor.

"They're trying to hold him up to the standards of the Mayo Clinic the standards of a West Philadelphia clinic," McMahon said. "If you want Mayo Clinic standards than you go to the Mayo Clinic."
HOPE-WOW-COC-TRU TH-HEMLOC

Bronx, NY

#875663 Mar 18, 2013
The Dreams Of A Father becomes the Nightmare of a Nation
HOPE-WOW-COC-TRU TH-HEMLOC

Bronx, NY

#875664 Mar 18, 2013
Obama Continuing the Bush/Cheney Assassination Program In June, CIA Director Leon Panetta allegedly informed members of the House Intelligence Committee of the existence of a secret Bush era program implemented in the days after 9-11 that, until last month, had been hidden from lawmakers. The concealment of the plan, Panetta alleged, happened at the orders of then-Vice President Dick Cheney.

Now, The New York Times is reporting that this secret program that had “been hidden from lawmakers” by Cheney was a plan “to dispatch small teams overseas to kill senior Qaeda terrorists.” The Wall Street Journal, which originally reported on the plan, reported that the paramilitary teams were to implement a “2001 presidential legal pronouncement, known as a finding, which authorized the CIA to pursue such efforts.”

The plan, the Times says, never was carried out because “Officials at the spy agency over the years ran into myriad logistical, legal and diplomatic obstacles.” Instead, the Bush administration “sought an alternative to killing terror suspects with missiles fired from drone aircraft or seizing them overseas and imprisoning them in secret C.I.A. jails.”

The House Intelligence Committee is now reportedly preparing an investigation into this program and the Senate may follow suit.“We were kept in the dark. That’s something that should never, ever happen again,” said Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Dianne Feinstein. Withholding this information from Congress “is a big problem, because the law is very clear.”

There are several important issues raised by this unfolding story. First, while the Times claims the program was never implemented, the program sounds very similar to what Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Sy Hersh described in March as an “executive assassination ring” run by Dick Cheney that operated throughout the Bush years:

“Congress has no oversight of it. It’s an executive assassination ring essentially, and it’s been going on and on and on. Just today in the Times there was a story that its leaders, a three star admiral named [William H.] McRaven, ordered a stop to it because there were so many collateral deaths.

“Under President Bush’s authority, they’ve been going into countries, not talking to the ambassador or the CIA station chief, and finding people on a list and executing them and leaving. That’s been going on, in the name of all of us.

Hersh’s description sounds remarkably similar to that offered by the Times and the Wall Street Journal. While the House and Senate should certainly investigate this program—and lying to Congress, misleading it or concealing from it such programs is likely illegal—it is also important to guarantee that it has actually stopped. But another pressing issue for the Congress is investigating the Obama administration’s adoption of this secret program’s central components. As the Times noted, the major reason—beyond logistical hurdles—that the program was not implemented (if that is even true) was that the Bush administration began increasing its use of weaponized drones to conduct Israeli-style targeted assassinations (often, these drones kill many more civilians than so-called “targets”). These drone attacks, coupled with the use of extraordinary rendition and secret prisons, became the official program for “eliminating” specific individuals labeled “high value” targets by the administration.

The Obama administration has not only continued the Bush policy of using drones to carry out targeted assassinations, but has also continued the use of prisons where people are held indefinitely without charge or access to the International Committee of the Red Cross. Under Obama, Bagram air base in Afghanistan is expanding and, at present, hundreds of prisoners are held there without charges. In essence, the Obama administration is doing exactly what this secret CIA program sought to do, albeit out in the open.
Realtime

Deltona, FL

#875665 Mar 18, 2013
John Galt wrote:
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Another fallacy of the liberal mindset is that everybody should get a college education.
The results is millions of kids piling up massive debt getting worthless degrees from third-rate diploma mills so that they can compete for jobs that do not require a college degree.
Florida is reevaluating it's testing methods for NCLB assumes all students will be attending college. Hah!

When I was a young snapperwhipper the high schools in my region offered various course loads__college prep__business__home economics and industrial arts. Beyond high school there were different sorts of trade schools-union apprenticeship programs and such.

My friends who became tool and die makers made great money over the course of their lives. One friend became a captain on a Great Lakes freighter. Class reunions are interesting.
The Slayer

Findlay, OH

#875666 Mar 18, 2013
John Galt wrote:
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Totally agree that the draft is involuntary servitude.
As for drafting women, sure women in combat is a bad idea, but if you're gonna allow that, then women should be drafted just like men.
Enemy soldiers will love the fresh meat.
I forget the Generals name....but he was saying that
for years the armed forces have had women in very important
roles such as nurses and other such very skilled roles.
His concern was that if the Armed Forces start to
become more and more of a unpleasant experience for
women, they will then have a hard time in recruiting
women into the armed forces.

That and I guess I just a little bit of the old school way
of thinking......Men fight the wars to keep the Women
and children safe....I see no reason to change that.

I think we are traveling a dangerous road when our leaders
want to push Women more and more into combat roles.

There is plenty of opportunities for Women in the Armed Forses
with out them jumping into enemy fox holes and slugging it
out with enemy soldiers.

“It's always darkest 'fore dawn”

Since: Jul 08

When's dawn?

#875667 Mar 18, 2013
John Galt wrote:
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Totally agree that the draft is involuntary servitude.
As for drafting women, sure women in combat is a bad idea, but if you're gonna allow that, then women should be drafted just like men.
Enemy soldiers will love the fresh meat.
Have you tried your bigoted BS on Israel? They've been drafting everybody for ever, and I don't think they're considered over-aged cub scouts last I heard. Besides, get with the century--I think I can score more kills with my little drone than that machismo jarhead with all the upper body strength that doesn't include his head.

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