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“My Life Is A Shell Game”

Since: May 07

Lapeer, MI

#870881 Mar 8, 2013
Iran is drawing ever closer to Nuclear Weapons capability, N. Korea has it and is now threatening us with it while entertaining boobs like Dennis Rodman. Meanwhile the Jerk-In-Chief is still campaigning on AF1 and making the TV Talk Show circuit.

Hair-Plug Joe Biden is making more of his childish speeches about how the President (silence!, hush!) DOESN'T BLUFF!

Iran and N. Korea have long been exchanging data and construction tips.

We need some leadership and less On The Red Carpet Bullshit from a Glam Boy Messiah.

He should travel over to Iran and N. Korea with his Skeet 'Rifle' and kick some butt with Dennis Rodman in tow.

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carol

Orlando, FL

#870882 Mar 8, 2013
RealDave wrote:
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I don't know why I waste my time trying to have a conversation with you.
1) A majority of Democrats voted for it. So how did the Republicans get this passed??
2) If Democrats were a racist party, why did the Northern Democrats vote 145 - 9 to pass it?
3) looking at the House, You want percentages?.
Southern Democrats: 93.6% voted against it
Southern Republicans: 100% voted against it
Northern Democrats: 94% voted for it
Northern Republicans: 85% voted for it.
So using your logic, the Republicans must have been the racists.
However, proving what I said originally.
93%of the House & Senate from the Southern states voted against it
90% of those outside the South voted for it.
It was regional, not political. Got it?
Guess you have to look at the number in both parties who voted against it - 96 Democrats in the House and 21 in the Senate versus 34 Republicans in the House and 6 Republicans in the Senate.

According to Congressional Quarterly, the Civil Rights Act of 1964
passed the House 290-130, and Republican support for the bill was much stronger than Democratic: 61% of the Democrats supported the legislation while 80% of the Republicans backed it. These numbers were similar in the Senate - 69% of Democrats backed the bill along with 82% of Republicans.

Doesn't mean 61% of Democrats in the House and 69% in the Senate still didn't vote for the passage of the CVA of 1964. That's a lot of Democrats.

But the bill passed because a larger percentage of Republicans voted for it than Democrats - 80% in the House and 82% in the Senate.

That was my original point.

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#870885 Mar 8, 2013
shinningelectr0n wrote:
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And can also be seen seeping into Urban Political leadership.
Trash In - Trash Out. Great Society, My Azz.
More like The Great Train Robbery.
Exactly, More like The Great Train Robbery and Detroit is a good example.

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#870886 Mar 8, 2013
John Galt wrote:
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The point being that LBJ knew how to get what he wanted from Congress, by personal persuasion rather than empty threats.
Exactly Right.

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Axe-Me-Anything

South Bend, IN

#870887 Mar 8, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>Exactly, More like The Great Train Robbery and Detroit is a good example.
Think Black Expo ... aka Summer "Celebration"

What a damned joke.
carol

Orlando, FL

#870889 Mar 8, 2013
sonicfilter wrote:
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over time?
1964. might as well flipped a switch.
Once the Southern Democrat bloc was defeated in 1964 and after a significant number of blacks moved north and west and the KKK began to disappear, the South began to change dramatically.

There was a boom in the service economy, manufacturing, technology industries and the financial sector.

Numerous automobile production plants opened in Alabama, South Carolina, Kentucky, Mississippi and Tennessee.

Major banking corporations opened headquarters in North Carolina, Alabama and Georgia.

The Coca-Cola Company and Home Depot as well as cable television networks - CNN, TBS, TNT, Turner South - also helped create economic expansion. The South reported some of the lowest unemployment rates in the United States.

In other words, the landscape changed after 1964.

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#870891 Mar 8, 2013
Axe-Me-Anything wrote:
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Think Black Expo ... aka Summer "Celebration"
What a damned joke.
I Agree.

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#870892 Mar 8, 2013
carol wrote:
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Once the Southern Democrat bloc was defeated in 1964 and after a significant number of blacks moved north and west and the KKK began to disappear, the South began to change dramatically.
There was a boom in the service economy, manufacturing, technology industries and the financial sector.
Numerous automobile production plants opened in Alabama, South Carolina, Kentucky, Mississippi and Tennessee.
Major banking corporations opened headquarters in North Carolina, Alabama and Georgia.
The Coca-Cola Company and Home Depot as well as cable television networks - CNN, TBS, TNT, Turner South - also helped create economic expansion. The South reported some of the lowest unemployment rates in the United States.
In other words, the landscape changed after 1964.
That's True.

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carol

Orlando, FL

#870893 Mar 8, 2013
Cway wrote:
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Carol,
A rather ugly side to the way your side "debates" is to dance away from the facts you can't answer.
I refer to the arrangement the Bush Administration made with pharmaceutical companies, where reprsentatives of the latter were allowed to participate in DEA evaluations of new drugs produced by the same companies!
This is a clear case of conflict of interest.
But even worse, it shows the extent to which Republicans not only fail in their obligation to be a watchdog over the private sector, but actually allows corporations to co-opt the watchdog function and bring in line with their goals.
We saw this again with MME, which allowed oil companies to actually fill out the government inspection reports of their safety standards. The BP diaster followed.
This underlies the true nature of the Republican Party which is to betray the public trust to corporate profit.
20 lobbyists were staffed in the Obama administration in 2010.

Not a conflict of interest?

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#870894 Mar 8, 2013
carol wrote:
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Guess you have to look at the number in both parties who voted against it - 96 Democrats in the House and 21 in the Senate versus 34 Republicans in the House and 6 Republicans in the Senate.
According to Congressional Quarterly, the Civil Rights Act of 1964
passed the House 290-130, and Republican support for the bill was much stronger than Democratic: 61% of the Democrats supported the legislation while 80% of the Republicans backed it. These numbers were similar in the Senate - 69% of Democrats backed the bill along with 82% of Republicans.
Doesn't mean 61% of Democrats in the House and 69% in the Senate still didn't vote for the passage of the CVA of 1964. That's a lot of Democrats.
But the bill passed because a larger percentage of Republicans voted for it than Democrats - 80% in the House and 82% in the Senate.
That was my original point.
Exactly

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carol

Orlando, FL

#870898 Mar 8, 2013
Last post of the evening - from an article on the NBC website no less.

"The increased pace of hiring is still well below levels normally seen more than three years into an economic recovery.

"The widespread lingering caution from consumers and employers alike more than three years after the Great Recession officially ended is now one of the biggest hurdles to a more robust recovery.

"Employers can’t hire until consumers – who account for more than two-thirds of the U.S. economy – begin to feel better about spending. But that won’t happen until employers pick up the pace of hiring to create millions of new paychecks and pay higher wages for those who already have one."

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/economywatch/...

Seems like a leadership problem not addressing the problem to me.

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carol

Orlando, FL

#870899 Mar 8, 2013
Goodnight, Anonymous of Indy.

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John Galt

Temecula, CA

#870901 Mar 8, 2013
carol wrote:
Goodnight, Anonymous of Indy.
Tomorrow, let's drop ancient history and move on to the current economic disaster of the Obama administration, particularly its devastating effects on poor blacks.

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“The Intrepid”

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#870904 Mar 9, 2013
shinningelectr0n wrote:
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That's a nice shit-eatin' grin ya got there.
I see snake eyes.

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“The Intrepid”

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#870905 Mar 9, 2013
carol wrote:
As far as the vote to ban gay marriage in California:
ABC News - "Whites voted very narrowly against the ban, 51-49 percent. Asian-Americans voted the same. Hispanics voted for it by 53-47 percent. Blacks voted for it, overwhelmingly, 70-30. Blacks can be said to have put it over the top. Hypothetically, had no blacks voted, we compute a vote of 50-50," according to an analysis by ABC News Polling Director.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2008/11/...
This is the irony on the part of Democrats. They continually blame Republicans for not supporting gay marriage when it's mostly blacks and Hispanics - who are mostly Democrats.
That is funny.

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No Surprize

Seminole, FL

#870906 Mar 9, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
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President Lyndon B John (D) had the bill passed into law with the help of northern Republicans.
Racist Southern Democrats then became Republicans.
Why would racist democrats leave the demokratic party which opposed the the Civil Rights Act and join the Republican party who passed the Civil Rights Act you racist demokrats were against?

In the age of instant information...Your ignorance and running on empty is still a morons best choice Patrick.

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No Surprize

Seminole, FL

#870907 Mar 9, 2013
The demokratic party is inbred with FDR Jim Crow hate and racism..

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Cway

United States

#870908 Mar 9, 2013
TheIndependentMajority wrote:
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SO I stand with my initial statement on what I'd read personally about the incident myself-
A mistake of MISinformation, based on squawk and parrot MISinformation.
Kind of like My Lai.
And Benghazi.
From your post, there is this key passage:

"Though information obtained well after the fact indicates that there was actually no North Vietnamese attack that night, U.S. authorities were convinced at the time that one had taken place, and reacted by sending planes from the carriers Ticonderoga and Constellation to hit North Vietnamese torpedo boat bases and fuel facilites."

Common sense suggests it is extremely unlikely that some natural occurence was mistaken for torpedoes and machinegun fire.

So someone is lying here.

To this can be added that the "mistake" aspect was not revealed to the public for years. Yet, it is something those in command would have realized within a few days. In fact, given an event of this magnitude, the ship's commander should have been questioned very early in the game.

Which raises the question, did those in authority sit on that knowledge knowing a war would break out by not telling the whole truth?

As for My Lai, no mistake there. The village was surrounded by U.S. troops, the occupants herded out into the forest, and then small groups marched off out of view and machinegunned.

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siggif

Pittsburgh, PA

#870909 Mar 9, 2013
youtube.com/watch... …………
Obama are next impeachment
Cway

United States

#870910 Mar 9, 2013
shinningelectr0n wrote:
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"...LBJ was tossed out ... for his complicity regarding Vietnam."
Did you say "complicity"?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Yes, I did.

Although I should have stated the possibility that Johnson was misled by CIA black ops of the type Prouty mentions.

In a best case scenario for you, Johnson is complicit with the CIA. But this doesn't help you seize the moral high ground.

Because in such a scenario, we simply have a rightwing Democrat working in unison with a rightwing government bureaucracy and in defiance of mainstream Democrat beliefs. Sorry, but this makes LBJ more in political alignment with the Ronald Reagans and GW Bushs of your side.

The key thing is that CIA conservatives were the prime movers of the Vietnam War. They were the first personnel to enter the country. They had operational control of all U.S. units in Vietnam for ten years until the big war opened up. And they were running black operations against the North to provoke a conflict.

CIA conservatives. Live with it.

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