Barack Obama, our next President

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"The road ahead will be long. Our climb will be steep," Obama cautioned. Young and charismatic but with little experience on the national level, Obama smashed through racial barriers and easily defeated ...

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Nuculur option wrote:
Here's Carol with her revisionist views of history again.
Carol hides her ugly racism behind lies.
The simple answer for which Party represents minorities best, look at exit polls.
Democrats won in every ethnic group, balcks and hispanics by huge majorities. Asians, too.
But Carol loves to peddle her juvenile bullshit.
Fact is, the parties switched, led by Texan LBJ.
Most of the bigots in the south switched to Republiclown after the Civil Rights era.
Including Ronald Reagan, Strom Thurmond, Jesse Helms, etc.
But carry on with your nonsense. Maybe it will help Rmoney win!!
HAHAHAHA
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Oh, there you are idiot.

Back up your lie ablout me posting as Dem Idiot.

Easy for a genius like you (Baawwaahhh!!))

Show us a link or IP address where one can use a proxy from Lakeland, FL.

Simple. They you will have an ounce of credibility, you paranoid moron.

Later, weasel.
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Here is what a group in PA that is pushing single payer has online.
http://www.healthcare4allpa.org/documents/Sin...
They look at the savings for both corporations & individuals & suggest a funding plan.
Flacktard should perhaps STFU & look up stuff & become better informed.
There are other sites pushing for this that have estimates & methods as well as the nay sayers.
Basically, single payer ends the insurance company overhead costs& profits & uses bulk purchasing power.
Currently it costs $18K a year for health insurance (paid by my company) for the two of us plus out of pocket expenses (paid by me).
If our income was $100K, according to the link in PA, my company would pay $10K & I would pay $3K.(Corp wage tax of 10% & Individual wage tax of 3%). That far less that the $20K that is spend now.
Perhaps if you flacktards would so some research instead of running screaming through the streets flailing your arms about, you would discover single payer actually would work much more cost effectively than what we do now.
The Myths of Single-Payer Health Care
By David Hogberg

A single-payer health care system is one in which a single-entity -- the government -- collects almost all of the revenue for and pays almost all of the bills for the health care system. In most single-payer systems only a small percentage of health care expenses are paid for with private funds. Countries that have a single-payer system include Australia, Canada, Sweden and the United Kingdom.

Single-payer is popular among the political left in the United States. Leftists have emitted tons of propaganda in favor of a single-payer system, much of which has fossilized into myth.

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RealDave wrote:
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Carol, for the umpteenth time.
Look at the vote for the Civil Rights At of 1964.
You will find that Republicans & Democrats outside the Southern Block voted yes & Republicans & Democrats from the Southen Block voted no.
It was regional.
If it was party, then why didn't the Democrats outside the South vote against it.
Carol's been stuck on that piece of stupidity for several years now.

She oscillates between calling blacks stupid for not voting Republiclown to these stupid claims that blacks have been fooled by the Democrats.

Yet she doesn't see the ugly racism and bigotry in her words!!

She's that stupid!!
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The Democrat Party of 2013 is a Fascist party, not a liberal party.
How true!
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Nuculur option wrote:
Here's Carol with her revisionist views of history again.
Carol hides her ugly racism behind lies.
The simple answer for which Party represents minorities best, look at exit polls.
Democrats won in every ethnic group, balcks and hispanics by huge majorities. Asians, too.
But Carol loves to peddle her juvenile bullshit.
Fact is, the parties switched, led by Texan LBJ.
Most of the bigots in the south switched to Republiclown after the Civil Rights era.
Including Ronald Reagan, Strom Thurmond, Jesse Helms, etc.
But carry on with your nonsense. Maybe it will help Rmoney win!!
HAHAHAHA
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Here's Nuculur option with her revisionist views of history again. But carry on with your nonsense. Maybe it will help the incompetent Obama win a third illegal term.!!
HAHAHAHA
John Galt

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RealDave wrote:
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Here is what a group in PA that is pushing single payer has online.
http://www.healthcare4allpa.org/documents/Sin...
They look at the savings for both corporations & individuals & suggest a funding plan.
Flacktard should perhaps STFU & look up stuff & become better informed.
There are other sites pushing for this that have estimates & methods as well as the nay sayers.
Basically, single payer ends the insurance company overhead costs& profits & uses bulk purchasing power.
Currently it costs $18K a year for health insurance (paid by my company) for the two of us plus out of pocket expenses (paid by me).
If our income was $100K, according to the link in PA, my company would pay $10K & I would pay $3K.(Corp wage tax of 10% & Individual wage tax of 3%). That far less that the $20K that is spend now.
Perhaps if you flacktards would so some research instead of running screaming through the streets flailing your arms about, you would discover single payer actually would work much more cost effectively than what we do now.
The cost reductions predicted by this group are a joke.

Costs will increase by more than the projected reduction because of all the added moochers who are not employed and will pay nothing.
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Again, you lie.
Obnama just asked Boehner to close loopholes, and Boehner refused, saying Obama got all the tax increases he will get.
So where you getting this bullshit from?
The House refuses to close loopholes that most Americans support closing. Especially perks for the wealthy and Corporations.
But your Republiclown heroes want to cut YOUR benefits, just when your failing health needs them most, eh smokey??
Never seen someons as dumb as yourself, willing to cut her own throat so you can support multi millionaires!!
No cure for your kind of dumb.
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Again, you lie. No cure for your kind of dumb. LOL
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SINGLE PAYER MYTH NO. 1: Everyone has access to health care a single-payer system.

Everyone in a single-payer system has health insurance, not necessarily health CARE.

While the government in a single-payer system will pay for everyone's health care, it limits the access to health care. In a single-payer system, citizens often believe that "the government" is paying for their health care. When people perceive that someone else is paying for something, they tend to over-use it. In a single-payer health care system, people over-use health care. This puts strain on government health care budgets, and to contain costs governments must ration care.

Governments in a single-payer system ration care using waiting lists for surgery and diagnostic procedures and by canceling surgeries. As the Canadian Supreme Court said upon ruling unconstitutional a Quebec law that banned private health care, "ACCESS TO A WAITING LIST IS NOT ACCESS TO HEALTH CARE."
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<quoted text>So is Shovel. Now what?
Let them fail if they screw up.
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SINGLE PAYER MYTH NO. 2: Claims of rationing are exaggerated.

Jonathan Cohn, author of Sick, wrote that the "stories about [rationing in] Canada are wildly exaggerated." Yet advocates of single-payer never say what they mean by "exaggerated."

The fact is that people often suffering great pain and anxiety while they spend months on a waiting list for surgery. Others spend months waiting for a surgery, only to have it cancelled, after which they will spend even more time waiting for another surgery. Sometimes people even die while on the waiting list.

Media in foreign nations are full of stories about people suffer while on a waiting list. In Canada, Diane Gorsuch twice had heart surgery cancelled; she suffered a fatal heart attack before her third surgery. In Great Britain, Mavis Skeet had her cancer surgery cancelled four times before her cancer was determined to have become inoperable. In Australia, eight-year-old Kyle Inglis has lost 50 percent of his hearing while waiting nearly 11 months for an operation to remove a tumor in his ear. Kyle is one of over 1,000 children waiting over 600 days for ear, nose and throat surgery in Warnbro, a suburb in Western Australia.

These are not mere anecdotes. Much academic literature has examined the impact of waiting lists on health. A study in the Canadian Medical Association Journal found that 50 people died while on a wait list for cardiac catheterization in Ontario.

A study of Swedish patients on a wait list for heart surgery found that the "risk of death increases significantly with waiting time." In a 2000 article in the journal Clinical Oncology, British researchers studying 29 lung cancer patients waiting for treatment further found that about 20 percent "of potentially curable patients became incurable on the waiting list."
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Where does the US rank on the VAT tax?
Is that what you advocate?
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carol wrote:
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Apparently, quite a few other liberals were upset their fellow liberals didn't join this fight.
But the Democratic Party is no longer about principle. It's about power at any cost, ideology over rationality and demonizing before applying any measure of common sense.
"I didn't leave the Democratic Party. It left me."
Ronald Reagan
Hopefully, at least moderate democrats are starting to think the same thing.
I cound't agree more with you Carol. It's ironic you use this as an example. I left the Democrat Party too when Bill Clinto was president! I did it for the very same reason. There is nothing left in that party appealing. Just a bunch of lying, crazy, frustrated and angry anti-American misfits.
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SINGLE PAYER MYTH NO. 3: A single-payer system would save money on administrative costs.

Single-payer advocates often claim that the U.S. private sector health care system is wasteful, spending far more on administrative costs than do government-run single-payer systems. According to single-payer advocates David Himmelstein and Steffie Woolhandler, "Streamlining administrative overhead to Canadian levels would save approximately $286.0 billion in 2003,$6,940 for each of the 41.2 million Americans who were uninsured as of 2001."

Yet comparisons of private sector administrative costs with those of government are misleading. Many government administrative expenses are EXCLUDED in such comparisons, such as what it costs employers and government to collect the taxes needed to fund the single-payer system, and the salaries of politicians and their staff members who set government health-care policy (the salary costs of executives and boards of directors who set company policy are included in private sector administrative costs).

But even if the U.S. would save money on administrative costs by switching to a single-payer system, the savings would prove temporary.

The main cause of rising health care costs is not administrative costs, but OVER-USE of health care. A single-payer system would not solve that problem. Indeed, it would make it worse.
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Carol's been stuck on that piece of stupidity for several years now.
She oscillates between calling blacks stupid for not voting Republiclown to these stupid claims that blacks have been fooled by the Democrats.
Yet she doesn't see the ugly racism and bigotry in her words!!
She's that stupid!!
Lie much?
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John Galt wrote:
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Indian telemarketers often speak better English than telemarketers based in the US.
NO KIDDING? THEN YOU TALK TO THEM THEN.
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Charles Krauthammer:

...Awlaki was no ordinary enemy. He was a U.S. citizen. By what right does the president order the killing by drone of an American? Where’s the due process?

Answer: Once you take up arms against the United States, you become an enemy combatant, thereby forfeiting the privileges of citizenship and the protections of the Constitution, including due process. You retain only the protection of the laws of war — no more and no less than those of your foreign comrades-in-arms.

Lincoln steadfastly refused to recognize the Confederacy as a separate nation. The soldiers that his Union Army confronted at Antietam were American citizens in rebellion — killed without due process. Nor did the Americans storming German bunkers at Normandy inquire before firing if there were any German-Americans among them — to be excused for gentler treatment while the other Germans were mowed down.

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20130217/CO...
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Nuculur option wrote:
Again, you lie.
Obnama just asked Boehner to close loopholes, and Boehner refused, saying Obama got all the tax increases he will get.
So where you getting this bullshit from?
The House refuses to close loopholes that most Americans support closing. Especially perks for the wealthy and Corporations.
But your Republiclown heroes want to cut YOUR benefits, just when your failing health needs them most, eh smokey??
Never seen someons as dumb as yourself, willing to cut her own throat so you can support multi millionaires!!
No cure for your kind of dumb.
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Galt supports eliminating ALL loopholes, deductions, and tax credits in favor of lower rates.

“fairtax.org”

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John Galt wrote:
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Cost would be in the range of 15% to 20% of all personal income.
That's what current employee benefits are worth.
Try to eat that tax bill!
You want an easy way to fix this damn tax problem? It won't cost one cent! Get rid of withholding. Make every taxpayer write the three or four checks every payday. Make them feel the pain! Ask somebody how much they make. The first words out of their mouth will be 'I bring home'. Most people can't even tell you what their gross pay is without looking.
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TSM wrote:
Isn’t this Typical of Liberals “Do as I say, Not as I Do” White House Taking No Actions Yet to Cut Back Its Budget!!
Why do you even bother? You're way to dumb to comprehend anything.
Go out and have fun; ignorance is bliss.
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SINGLE PAYER MYTH No. 4: Single-payer will provide fair and quality care for everyone.

Leftist Dave Zweifel claims that the U.S. "could make the system so much more fair by enacting a national single-payer health plan." Jonathan Cohn, when asked why he had faith that the government could run the health care system for all when it didn't do it very well for the poor, responded, "My answer is that they do it, and do it well, abroad."

Well, no they don't. According to Canada's Fraser Institute:

... a profusion of research reveals that cardiovascular surgery queues are routinely jumped by the famous and politically-connected, that suburban and rural residents confront barriers to access not encountered by their urban counterparts, and that low-income Canadians have less access to specialists, particularly cardiovascular ones, are less likely to utilize diagnostic imaging, and have lower cardiovascular and cancer survival rates than their higher-income neighbours.

It isn't much better in Great Britain. Take a look at the Saga 'Good Hospital Guide' for British hospitals. Compare the ones in Inner London, which tend to be in wealthier areas, to the ones in Outer London, which tend to be in poorer areas.

You'll notice that in general, the ones in Inner London have more doctors and nurses per bed, shorter wait times for MRIs and hip replacements, and lower mortality ratios.

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