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Since: May 11

Loysville, PA

#870607 Mar 8, 2013
Jane Says wrote:
SINGLE PAYER MYTH NO. 5: A single-payer system will leave medical decisions to a patients and his or her doctor.
According to Physicians for a National Health Program (PNHP), a group pushing for a single-payer system in the U.S.:
There is a myth that, with national health insurance, the government will be making the medical decisions. But in a publicly-financed, universal health care system medical decisions are left to the patient and doctor, as they should be. This is true even in the countries like the UK and Spain that have socialized medicine.
Yet PNHP seems to be talking out of both sides of its mouth. Here is how PNHP addresses the question of how to keep doctors from doing too many procedures in a single-payer system:
[Doing too many procedures] is a problem in systems that reimburse physicians on a fee-for-service basis. In today's health system, another problem is physicians doing too little for patients. So the real question is, "how do we discourage both overcare and undercare"? One approach is to compare physicians' use of tests and procedures to their peers with similar patients.
A physician who is "off the curve" will stand out.
Another way is to set spending targets for each specialty. This encourages doctors to be prudent stewards and to make sure their colleagues are as well, because any doctor doing unnecessary procedures will be taking money away from other physicians in the same specialty.
In practice what this will mean is medical decisions will be left up to you and your doctor as long as your doctor isn't doing too many (or too few) procedures and is within a spending target.
The truth is that single-payer systems often interfere with treatment decisions. For example, most single-payer systems have bureaucracies that delay the approval of new drugs, preventing patients from using them. Alice Mahon, a former member of the British parliament, needed the drug Lucentis to slow her macular degeneration. Because of delays due to the National Health Service not yet having approved Lucentis at the time of her diagnosis, Mahon lost much of the sight in her left eye.
In 1999, Canadian patient Daniel Smith, a cystic fibrosis sufferer, and his doctors agreed that he needed a lung transplant. But his surgery was cancelled by administrators because an open hospital bed could not be found.
So much for medical decisions being left to patients and their doctors.
Fact: Insurance companies determine what is covered & what is not. Not the patient or doctor.

With single payer, these decisions are made by panels of doctors & administrators. In insurance companies, these decision are made by those who get bonuses for turning down claims.

“It's always darkest 'fore dawn”

Since: Jul 08

When's dawn?

#870608 Mar 8, 2013
John Galt wrote:
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Uncle Poodle Patrick exhibiting signs of dementia.
Lots of people call Rand Paul, Poodle, but other than that, I don't know what you're talking about.
lily waxman raton fl

Pompano Beach, FL

#870609 Mar 8, 2013
lily boca raton fl wrote:
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Gunner; it's the Republican party that is anti American. Not only anti American worker, but also anti women, gay, veteran, elderly, student, immigrant, education, children, civil rights, medicare, medicaide, social security, epa, hell, what in hell are you for anyway?
You forgot to mention your favorite one!
Jane Says

New York, NY

#870610 Mar 8, 2013
SINGLE PAYER MYTH NO. 9: Single-payer will save money because patients will seek care earlier (since they will no longer face financial barriers to health care) when it is easier and more affordable to treat diseases.

This assumes that patients will be able to get access to health care easily in a single-payer system. But as nations with single-payer have shown, even the most basic health care, like routine doctors visits, are rationed. According to a report by Statistics Canada:

Despite the fact that most individuals had a regular family doctor, almost one in five individuals of those who required routine care experienced difficulties accessing care. The rates were significantly lower in Saskatchewan (12%), Alberta (13%) and British Columbia (12%), and significantly higher in Newfoundland and Labrador (20%) and Quebec (19%).

The top two barriers to receiving routine or on-going care were difficulties getting an appointment, and long waits for an appointment.

Overall, 16% of Canadians who had required health information or advice indicated that they had experienced difficulties accessing care. The rates were significantly lower in Saskatchewan (13%) and Alberta (13%), and significantly higher in Ontario (18%).

Seeking care earlier will make little difference if patients have trouble getting a routine appointment with a doctor.

Since: May 11

Loysville, PA

#870611 Mar 8, 2013
Jane Says wrote:
SINGLE PAYER MYTH NO. 7: The U.S. systems also engages in rationing - 18,000 people die each year due to lack of insurance.
According to PNHP, "Rationing in U.S. health care is based on income: if you can afford care you get it, if you can't, you don't. A recent study by the prestigious Institute of Medicine found that 18,000 Americans die every year because they don't have health insurance."
The Institute of Medicine study purporting to show that 18,000 people die each year due to a lack of health insurance is actually a "meta-analysis," a study that summarizes the results of other studies. Yet many of the studies the Institute relied on have some rather odd results. One study in the New England Journal of Medicine found that women with private insurance were more likely to survive breast cancer than those uninsured. However, data in the study also showed that those who were uninsured had a higher survival rate than women covered by Medicaid. This suggests that factors other than health insurance, like education and income, were at play in determining breast cancer survival.
Furthermore, everyone in the U.S. can get care regardless of income. In 1986 the U.S. Congress passed the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act. This requires emergency rooms to treat any person who shows up seeking medical treatment, regardless of their ability to pay.
Rationing based on income is still rationing.

Getting a treatment for an injury or ailment is not healthcare.

Relying on the most expensive method of providing care is not very efficient.
Jane Says

New York, NY

#870612 Mar 8, 2013
Myth No. 10: The free market in health care has failed in the U.S.

What has failed in the U.S. is government micromanagement of the health care system. Over the past 40 years government's role in the health care system has continually expanded, from programs like Medicare, Medicaid and SCHIP, to regulations like HIPPA and COBRA. Like most government interventions, it has only made the problem worse.

The fact is we do not have a free market in health care in the U.S.

Ask yourself:

How many markets in the U.S. do you get a tax break for buying a product, but only if you buy it through your employer, as we do with health insurance?

In how many markets are you prohibited from purchasing a product out of state, as we are with health insurance?

In how many markets are employers prohibited from providing bonuses to employees for improving quality and productivity, as hospitals are prevented from doing with doctors? If government policy inhibited other markets that way, those markets would be dysfunctional too.

The solution to our health care problems is to reduce the role of government, not increase it by switching to a single-payer system.

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lily waxman raton fl

Pompano Beach, FL

#870613 Mar 8, 2013
lily boca raton fl wrote:
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That's it in a nutshell; the teaparty anti government white supremacists are afraid of being droned as they hide in their bunkers clutching their guns and refusing to pay their taxes.
That is absolutely it. Thanks sourkraut.
There it is!!! lily loves the RACE card! LOL
lily waxman raton fl

Pompano Beach, FL

#870614 Mar 8, 2013
lily boca raton fl wrote:
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Only a dummy like you would think it's free. Everyone knows that they pay taxes to support single payer healthcare. You're so damn dumb, that it's incredible. Go skiing and break a leg and eat a yellow snowball. Lying swine from hell.
lily's motherly instincts reappear
lily waxman raton fl

Pompano Beach, FL

#870615 Mar 8, 2013
lily boca raton fl wrote:
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He should have taken a quicky course in hair transplants
"envy is very unattractive"

“Often imitated”

Since: Jul 07

never duplicated

#870616 Mar 8, 2013
Realtime wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO, most home burglars would find the cost a tad prohibitive, at least for now when the prices for small ones are $25,000 and up. Of course withing 5 years, according to Flack, we'll be able to print them ourselves for just a few bucks each.
I posted a link for one with 720p camera that you control with your smart phone for $299.00.
TSM

El Paso, TX

#870617 Mar 8, 2013
Nuculur option wrote:
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She oscillates between calling blacks stupid for not voting Republiclown to these stupid claims that blacks have been fooled by the Democrats.
Blacks have been voting Democrat for the past 40 years and what do they have to show for their Allegiance (Unemployment among Blacks: 13.8%) and still asking for their Stuff!! Remember Blacks are just 13% of our Population!!
John Galt

Temecula, CA

#870620 Mar 8, 2013
Jane Says wrote:
<quoted text>The Myths of Single-Payer Health Care
By David Hogberg
A single-payer health care system is one in which a single-entity -- the government -- collects almost all of the revenue for and pays almost all of the bills for the health care system. In most single-payer systems only a small percentage of health care expenses are paid for with private funds. Countries that have a single-payer system include Australia, Canada, Sweden and the United Kingdom.
Single-payer is popular among the political left in the United States. Leftists have emitted tons of propaganda in favor of a single-payer system, much of which has fossilized into myth.
The bottom line for single-payer systems is that the half of the population that pays taxes pays for the medical care for the other half. So they each pay (on average) twice as much as their actual costs.

Moocher medicine.
The Slayer

Findlay, OH

#870622 Mar 8, 2013
flack wrote:
<quoted text> You want an easy way to fix this damn tax problem? It won't cost one cent! Get rid of withholding. Make every taxpayer write the three or four checks every payday. Make them feel the pain! Ask somebody how much they make. The first words out of their mouth will be 'I bring home'. Most people can't even tell you what their gross pay is without looking.
That is a great idea.
I cant stand the current tax code, they change it and tweek
the numbers and rates a little here and there....depending
on what party is in power.....fact is the hole darn tax code
is crazy and very very progressive no matter what party is in power.

They can change the rates all they want and who pays and who does not pay.
fact is.....I wont be happy until they get rid of the hole current
tax code....and start over with everyone pays a very low rate and
NOOOOOOOO loop holes for personal or business.
TSM

El Paso, TX

#870623 Mar 8, 2013
lily boca raton fl wrote:
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Why do you even bother? You're way to dumb to comprehend anything.
Go out and have fun; ignorance is bliss.
Lily I have a question and maybe you can Help Me Out!! I don't know what makes you so stupid, but it really works, be waiting for Your Answer!!

“searching myself”

Since: Sep 09

In Charming CA

#870624 Mar 8, 2013
Apparently, quite a few other [conservatives] were upset their fellow [conservatives] didn't join this fight.
But the [Republican] Party is no longer about principle. It's about power at any cost, ideology over rationality, and demonizing before applying any measure of common sense." Referring to the Religious Right's fight to strip:
pregnant and fertile women of their right to bodily autonomy,
homosexuals of the right to marry and raise families,
and
likely Democrats of their right to vote.

"I didn't leave the Democratic Party. It left me."
Ronald Reagan

"The Republican Party no longer represents me."
Shovelhead72

Hopefully, at least moderate [republicans] are starting to think the same thing.

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carol

Orlando, FL

#870625 Mar 8, 2013
Jimmy wrote:
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I cound't agree more with you Carol. It's ironic you use this as an example. I left the Democrat Party too when Bill Clinto was president! I did it for the very same reason. There is nothing left in that party appealing. Just a bunch of lying, crazy, frustrated and angry anti-American misfits.
It's almost like a fog rolled in over the democratic party over the past few decades that has blinded and confused them.

What I really think is behind the irrational hatred by many on the left is their much bigger hatred towards anyone striving toward higher ground or any resemblence of societal standards or anyone daring to believe in a higher power. Unfortunately, these are the blind loyalists who are too far gone to help.

But I'm very glad to know you proved yourself to be a clear thinker and no longer believe in the "god of big government" with their fog of lies and deception. It says a lot about you.

It's encouraging to know there's still hope for others like you.

Have a good day. Have to rearrange furniture.

“searching myself”

Since: Sep 09

In Charming CA

#870626 Mar 8, 2013
John Galt wrote:
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Let them fail if they screw up.
But in the meantime, subsidize them with tax loopholes for sending jobs overseas and parking their cash offshore?
Lincoln

United States

#870627 Mar 8, 2013
John Galt wrote:
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Galt is opposed to all bailouts, Government Motors as well as Wall Street.
Galt now posts in the third person :-)

Next will we encounter the Royal " We "
Lincoln

United States

#870628 Mar 8, 2013
carol wrote:
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It's almost like a fog rolled in over the democratic party over the past few decades that has blinded and confused them.
What I really think is behind the irrational hatred by many on the left is their much bigger hatred towards anyone striving toward higher ground or any resemblence of societal standards or anyone daring to believe in a higher power. Unfortunately, these are the blind loyalists who are too far gone to help.
But I'm very glad to know you proved yourself to be a clear thinker and no longer believe in the "god of big government" with their fog of lies and deception. It says a lot about you.
It's encouraging to know there's still hope for others like you.
Have a good day. Have to rearrange furniture.
...so how is the Tea Party serving you in the GOP?
Two rape candidate for the Senate defeated.
President Obama reelected.
House Republican have a 7 per cent approval rating .

Republicans seem confused and divided...

Bible Believers on one side and
libertarian self serving egos on the other.
Jimmy

Newington, CT

#870629 Mar 8, 2013
carol wrote:
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It's almost like a fog rolled in over the democratic party over the past few decades that has blinded and confused them.
What I really think is behind the irrational hatred by many on the left is their much bigger hatred towards anyone striving toward higher ground or any resemblence of societal standards or anyone daring to believe in a higher power. Unfortunately, these are the blind loyalists who are too far gone to help.
But I'm very glad to know you proved yourself to be a clear thinker and no longer believe in the "god of big government" with their fog of lies and deception. It says a lot about you.
It's encouraging to know there's still hope for others like you.
Have a good day. Have to rearrange furniture.
You too, Carol.

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