I realize i'm beating an over aged dead horse here, but your leaders hyped and lied us into a war that they wanted and it will forever be their war. Bush-Cheney knew exactly what they were doing and also their real intentions, they also knew that Iraq was of no threat to us. Most that voted for the action in Iraq were persuaded either by pressure or the mood of the nation so shortly after 911, and Bush preyed on that. Your war, you own it PERIOD.<quoted text>
Well, they're pretty stupid then, aren't they?
If they believed the same CIA evidence that Bush and his generals had and then decided it was all a big ruse just to fool them - when every single one of them said the exact same thing about Saddam just a few years prior - they probably shouldn't be in leadership positions.
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#839513 Jan 15, 2013
#839515 Jan 15, 2013
OBAMA is A PUPPET The military operation in Mali launched on January 11 is another vivid example of special activities aimed at recolonization of the African continent. It’s an orderly and consistent capture of new African territories by Western powers. They have got hold of Sudan by dismembering it (taking away the oil deposits from the major part of the country), the Nigerian oilfields have been captured in accordance with the International Court of Justice rulings,(1), Libya has been captured as a result of direct military intervention, Cote D’Ivoire has been conquered thanks to a small-scale military action conducted under the aegis of the United Nations. The way to do the things differ, but the result is the same. The process of recolonization picks up momentum in Africa…
The mistakes of previous aggressive actions were taken into consideration while occupying Mali. Today everyone is sure the West is defending Mali’s sovereignty and territorial integrity. Not exactly so, as some facts tell us. In reality it was not in 2011-2012 when the terrorist groups appeared in the north of the country. They had been organizing and conducting activities there for dozens of years.(2) The situation exploded because the Libyan weapons were captured after the Gaddafi’s overthrow. The military materials didn’t get to Mali by themselves; there are facts to prove France was involved in their transfer from Libya.
The very logic of events in the North of Mali in 2012 proves it is a well-orchestrated performance aimed at preparing the public opinion for “an imperative of military intervention”. That’s how it was arranged that Libyan arms spread around and wound up in the hands of Tuaregs. It incited military actions. But pretty soon the Tuaregs understood they were being used and started to dissociate themselves from the independence they had declared previously. The National Movement for the Liberation of Azawad (French: Mouvement National pour la Libération de l’Azawad; MNLA) said the declaration of independence was “an attempt to draw international attention to the plight of the population in the north” and expressed willingness to hold talks.(3)
That’s what the National Movement for the Liberation of Azawad was attacked for by real perpetrators of the provocation – the Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM) and the Islamists of Movement for Unity and Jihad in West Africa (MUJWA or MUJAO). Ansar Dine said it was ready to join without delay. At the November meeting in Ouagadougou, Burkina Faso, the group said it rejected violence, extremism and terrorism and assumed the responsibility for fighting organized crime across the border.(4) The Ansar Dine’s turn around led to its involvement into fighting. In November combat actions were sparked, the National Movement for the Liberation of Azawad fought the opposing Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb and the Movement for Unity and Jihad in West Africa. By the end of November Ansar Dine waged combat actions against the Movement for Unity and Jihad in West Africa forces in the south-western part of Timbuktu.
#839516 Jan 15, 2013
Whoa! You guys in here fightin'? Uncool, uncool. There nuthing worth fighting over. About 30% of you guys have been rootin' around in the bushes for the last 6000 or so years and you survived this long so you figure you got the answers: "if you work hard and play by the rules, you can get ahead." Another 20% of you are over in the palace behind the curtain talkin' into the microphone which gives your voice that big booming sound the other animals respond to. The other 47% are intractable leeches sittin' in lawn chairs out on what's left of the beach with a big doobie and a rum punch. I lost 3% of you somewhere but you'll show up. Maybe those are the guys who make up the "rules?" Never have seen the rulebook so I don't know, but I don't mind saying I don't know something when I don't know it. Rock on!
#839517 Jan 15, 2013
M13 British Militaty Intelligence thanks for brunch old chaps. Why is Great Britian much safer no school shootingsz? Tell Royal family Tea Party is hated in Europe also. GF008 Safer World 2013
#839518 Jan 15, 2013
You have a misconception that Christians are wimps. Early Christians were willing to be fed to the lions and present-day Christians are oppressed and killed every day.
If Jesus himself were posed the question: If pouring water up someone's nose could potentially save millions of innocent lives, would that be a forgiveable act?
I can't be sure, but he'd probably say, "Of course. Innocent lives come first."
ONLY THREE REALLY BAD GUY WERE WATERBOARDED...THREE!
Crime in Italy. Grow a spine, will you?
#839519 Jan 15, 2013
The Geopolitical Reordering of Africa: US Covert Support to Al Qaeda in Northern Mali, France “Comes to the Rescue”
NATO funding, arming, while simultaneously fighting Al Qaeda from Mali to Syria
A deluge of articles have been quickly put into circulation defending France’s military intervention in the African nation of Mali. TIME’s article,“The Crisis in Mali: Will French Intervention Stop the Islamist Advance?” decides that old tricks are the best tricks, and elects the tiresome “War on Terror” narrative.TIME claims the intervention seeks to stop “Islamist” terrorists from overrunning both Africa and all of Europe. Specifically, the article states:What TIME elects not to tell readers is that Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM) is closely allied to the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG whom France intervened on behalf of during NATO’s 2011 proxy-invasion of Libya – providing weapons, training, special forces and even aircraft to support them in the overthrow of Libya’s government.
As far back as August of 2011, Bruce Riedel out of the corporate-financier funded think-tank, the Brookings Institution, wrote “Algeria will be next to fall,” where he gleefully predicted success in Libya would embolden radical elements in Algeria, in particular AQIM. Between extremist violence and the prospect of French airstrikes, Riedel hoped to see the fall of the Algerian government. Ironically Riedel noted:
Algeria has expressed particular concern that the unrest in Libya could lead to the development of a major safe haven and sanctuary for al-Qaeda and other extremist jihadis.
And thanks to NATO, that is exactly what Libya has become – a Western sponsored sanctuary for Al-Qaeda. AQIM’s headway in northern Mali and now French involvement will see the conflict inevitably spill over into Algeria. It should be noted that Riedel is a co-author of “Which Path to Persia?” which openly conspires to arm yet another US State Department-listed terrorist organization (list as #28), the Mujahedin-e Khalq (MEK) to wreak havoc across Iran and help collapse the government there – illustrating a pattern of using clearly terroristic organizations, even those listed as so by the US State Department, to carry out US foreign policy.Geopolitical analyst Pepe Escobar noted a more direct connection between LIFG and AQIM in an Asia Times piece titled,“How al-Qaeda got to rule in Tripoli:”
#839520 Jan 15, 2013
Clinton signed a piece of legislation that was passed by an overwhelming majority in Congress specifically stating it was the policy of the United States to remove Saddam Hussein and his regime from power.
That was even before 9/11.
#839521 Jan 15, 2013
Oh great, the other one now. It's charming how the slugs come out of the woodwork once the good people start conversing intelligently. I suppose I'lll just have to tolerate this until Topix-mods decide to do something about it - which appears to be never.
#839522 Jan 15, 2013
America has a too much nasty foreign policy.triggering war everywhere in the poo country invoved terrorism.we shan t be surprised if attacks like these of the world trade center rise in the future.
#839523 Jan 15, 2013
Nossad Tamir Pardo thank-you for getting rid of Latvian Herberts Cukurs. GF008 Safer World 2013
#839524 Jan 15, 2013
Financial Fraud and The Bank Bailouts: The Government’s Entire Strategy Was to Cover Up the Truth
The Government Lied When It Said It Only Bailed Out Healthy Banks … 12 of the 13 Big Banks Were Going Bust
We noted in 2011 that the Geithner, Bernanke and Paulson lied about the health of the big banks in pitching bailouts to Congress and the American people:
The big banks were all insolvent during the 1980s.
And they all became insolvent again in 2008. See this and this.
The bailouts were certainly rammed down our throats under false pretenses.
But here’s the more important point. Paulson and Bernanke falsely stated that the big banks receiving Tarp money were healthy, when they were not. They were insolvent.
Tim Geithner falsely stated that the banks passed some time of an objective stress test but they did not. They were insolvent.
[All of the big banks were] insolvent in the 1980s, but the government made aconcerted decision to cover that up.
Financial writers such as Mish and Reggie Middleton pointed out in late 2007 and early 2008 that B of A was again insolvent.
Nouriel Roubini noted in January 2009 that the entire U.S. banking system is “bankrupt” and “effectively insolvent”:
“I’ve found that credit losses could peak at a level of $3.6 trillion for U.S. institutions, half of them by banks and broker dealers,” Roubini said at a conference in Dubai today.“If that’s true, it means the U.S. banking system is effectively insolvent because it starts with a capital of $1.4 trillion.”
“The problems of Citi, Bank of America and others suggest the system isbankrupt,” Roubini said.“In Europe, it’s the same thing.”
We noted earlier this year:
The American government’s zero interest rate policy is very much like the British Libor manipulation scandal … it’s nothing but an attempt to breathe life back into the insolvent banks, at the expense of the taxpayer. And see this.
And the “financial reform” laws passed in the wake of the crisis have, in some ways, actually weakened regulations of the financial markets, allowed the big banks to get a lot bigger, and have intentionally allowed fraudulent accounting (and see this).
Likewise, the “stress tests” in both Europe and America have been a total scam … a naked attempt to put lipstick on a pig to cover up the fact that the big banks are insolvent.
Matt Taibbi adds details to the bailout scam:
The main reason banks didn’t lend out bailout funds is actually pretty simple: Many of them needed the money just to survive. Which leads to another of the bailout’s broken promises – that taxpayer money would only be handed out to “viable” banks.
Soon after TARP passed, Paulson and other officials announced the guidelines for their unilaterally changed bailout plan. Congress had approved $700 billion to buy up toxic mortgages, but $250 billion of the money was now shifted to direct capital injections for banks.(Although Paulson claimed at the time that handing money directly to the banks was a faster way to restore market confidence than lending it to homeowners, he later confessed that he had been contemplating the direct-cash-injection plan even before the vote.) This new let’s-just-fork-over-cash portion of the bailout was called the Capital Purchase Program. Under the CPP, nine of America’s largest banks – including Citi, Wells Fargo, Goldman, Morgan Stanley, Bank of America, State Street and Bank of New York Mellon – received $125 billion, or half of the funds being doled out. Since those nine firms accounted for 75 percent of all assets held in America’s banks –$11 trillion – it made sense they would get the lion’s share of the money. But in announcing the CPP, Paulson and Co. promised that they would only be stuffing cash into “healthy and viable” banks. This, at the core, was the entire justification for the bailout: That the huge infusion of taxpayer cash would not be used to rescue individual banks,
Since: May 11
#839525 Jan 15, 2013
There are ways to get a regime change besides invading.
#839526 Jan 15, 2013
I know you're completely clueless but Saddam had more then enough time to remove those weapons.
One of Saddam's top generals and one of his scientists said he did just that.
As President Clinton himself said, he will use those arsenal again once the international community loses its will to stop him.
Since: May 11
#839527 Jan 15, 2013
So when Mitch McConnell said he wanted to make Obama a one term President, Carol thought that Mitch was going to invade the White House & kill him??????
Since: May 11
#839528 Jan 15, 2013
Actually John Kerry was dumb enough to believe the Bush Administration when they f*cking lied out their ass about Sadam having wmd's.
#839529 Jan 15, 2013
But he didn't carol, he didn't. All the world was aware that Saddam was a ruthless leader. But only Bush and Cheney were willing to sacrifice millions of innocent lives and trillions to accomplish that, they saw their chance and created their own version on why we had to act now. Most believe that it was far more about oil and revenge than born out of necessity, and history also shows that. You sound far more like someone desperatly trying to convince and make excuses as opposed to facing reality.
#839530 Jan 15, 2013
Greetings to the Democrat supporting Yahoos and the others/good people here.
Are the Demcorat hypocrites acting like juvenile delinquents today as usual?
Are they doing the usual blame Bush for stuff the Democrats supported or caused?
Yes? Figured. Liberals and honesty don't mix.
#839531 Jan 15, 2013
Minister of State Security thanks for Chinese Room give best regards to John Searle. Minds, Brains and Programs. GF008 Safer World I apologize for my past.
Since: Sep 10
#839532 Jan 15, 2013
Problem for you is that they got no useful intelligence from those who were waterboarded.
Per the CIA, who was doing the waterboarding.
""As for getting "phenomenal results" from waterboarding alleged 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the CIA Inspector General's report on the subject was inconclusive—with the author noting that "you could not in good conscience reach a definitive conclusion about whether any specific technique was especially effective, or [whether] the enhanced techniques in the aggregate really worked." Of course, what we know now is that when it came to tracking down Osama bin Laden's whereabouts, KSM lied despite being subjected to waterboarding, as did other detainees who were tortured. Cheney seems to think those are "phenomenal results."
Bush apologists have been trying for months to credit brutal interrogation techniques for the discovery Osama bin Laden's hideout, all evidence to the contrary. Torture in fact, harmed the America's intelligence collection efforts post-9/11, at least according to former FBI interrogator Ali Soufan. In his new memoir, he writes that the Bush administration's fixation on torture, FBI agents ceased participating in interrogations, "meaning that some of the government’s most knowledgeable experts were unable to speak with the most important terrorists." That claim is difficult to evaluate, but Cheney's claims about waterboarding are false on their face.""
You really should let go of this. You bring it up every few months, get beat about the head over your ignorance, drop it for awhile, then bring up the same stupidity all over again.
Get a life. You're here all the time. You and Nobraina are the most frequent posters on this thread and all you do is spread lies.
Losing an election isn't even enough to make you realize how out of touch you are.
That's how brainlessly partisan you are.
The mantra amongst you wingnuts is:
'Don''t talk about Bush, he's not President anymore'.
But let's talk about Clinton, Carter and any Democrat President, no matter how far back in history it is.
You're funny like that. Not ha-ha funny, but very sick funny.
#839533 Jan 15, 2013
Well, that's a coincidence! I have a recipe for "Dead Horse" my daughter sent back from the Yucatan where she's studying the lost tribes of Israel. I'll post it below.
400 lbs of Dead Horse.
50 gallons of retried beans.
12 big branches of Coca
Salt to taste
Coriander (about a pound)
Bar of Lie Soap
4 bushels of rotten tomatoes
10 lbs of sour grapes
A handful of Fox testicles
About 12 pounds of hot chilli peppers
Gunpowder about 50 tons of it.
Big sack of bullshit
150 lbs of White Tea (old bags are fine.)
Cook the dead horse and sour grapes in a big iron pot over low heat for 12 years. Then stir in the Coriander, the Lie Soap, and the Coca leaves. You can add some of the bullshit as you go along, but I like to put most of it in at the end. When the mixture has reduced down to about half the original volume, throw in the sour grapes and sprinkle the Fox testicles over the top, all the time stirring the pot whenever you see the shit sinking. Add the tea and chili peppers, and turn the heat up on high... no, higher... that's it. Now throw in the gunpowder. Serve very hot with lots of alcohol and some religious music. Enjoy!
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