Barack Obama, our next President

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"The road ahead will be long. Our climb will be steep," Obama cautioned. Young and charismatic but with little experience on the national level, Obama smashed through racial barriers and easily defeated ...

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I'm not gifted with languages unfortunately so I guess this is it for me. Whatever will happen will happen. I appreciate your kind invitation but I suspect we will not be allowed to leave when the crisis comes. Bless you all.
A government cannot shut down the borders over night. It will be easy or millions to relocate, especially when thankful former immigrants who remember who welcomed THEM will have ability to help. Still, I may just stick around. Got more friends and people I know in the US than anywhere else and that may be tipping the scales.
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Once upon a time, my people had a military alliance with the germans To us, they didn't kill us, enslave us or try destroying us. Yes, I know the nazis were horrible as well, but their apparatus was just another socialist one. Many of their leaders had communist background. Nazi policies were never implemented in our country. People in our country with Jewish background were even fighting alongside the nazis against Stalin. German SS troops received medical aid by Jewish medical staff. Any harassment of citizens of our nation from any german was dealt with. Also, the germans were considered inferior soldiers in our area and really could not do much without heavy weapons, supplies and strong open lines. They needed us more than we needed them..
War creates alliances of necessity between peoples. WE had clear objectives for out nation and so had the nazis, but that's about it. Many nations in Europe that were "neutral" contributed much more to the nazi dominance in Europe than some allies. Think about Sweden, for example. I don't think the german military could even have managed a significant rearmament if it weren't for the Kiruna steel. That was also the main reason for them to invade Norway so they could secure that transport path along the coast. My grandfather told me once there were several people from Norway and Sweden that volunteered fighting the Sovjet Union, then when the germans invaded them, they went and fought THEM. Then after surrender, some of them volunteered to fight the Sovjets again.
War and conflict is complicated and it is mostly dumb and ignorant liberals that can only recite a two-liner piece of history that try to make it seem so simple. And since most of their followers never bother to read or research anything, they will think that whatever people like you say is true.
Right. So rulers like Stalin made deals with the devil so they could become bigger devils themselves. And this was AFTER it was clear Hitler had no love for the bolsheviks.

Poland and other Eastern Eurpoean countries paid the price for those agreements. So clearly the politics outweighed the national pride felt by both.

Cons make it a practice to run war. It's a money making venture for them. People are just another resource to be used and discarded... the same way they use God as a moral leverage for being right.

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<quoted text>Then you'll have to explain why they went after the Social Democratic party son. Hitler plan and appeal was economic. This is how he motivated the conservatives and the population base.
Jews were just one of the ethnicity's that that he went after. You say liberals are a "collective?" Clearly Hitler did the same, making up what he felt the opposition was and assigning it to them.
No different than you right wing extremists.
First of all, YOU have to explain why the National Socialists went after someone, not anyone else. They killed thousands of nazis as well in 1934. What's your point? Liberals don't hate each other? Stalin didn't kill countless socialists? What about Mao? What about Enver Hoxxha? these people even killed their own party members when it came to it. Also, how many tens of thousands "social democrats" jumped ship before 1933?

The nazis could care less what you were as long as you weren't a nazi. The entire national socialism national economy was as intense or even more intense government take over than Obama's America.

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What do YOU prefer? A gunman shooting at you with several kids there and you with no arms destined to die OR having a gun with the chance that a miss may hit someone else that would have been killed by the gunman to begin with.
How is your presidents "collateral damage" with kids in Pakistan? Can you tell me how many kids he has to kill in order to get to one "terrorist"? Seems like the only ones who are TRULY in favor of collateral damages when it counts is you liberals.
What level of collateral deaths is acceptable for you son?

Don't confuse a conflict with civil events. If you think such conflicts in Pakistan is bad, then by all means you should spout off against it... just like cons should have regarding iraq.

Instead, they simply made money off the event, thanks to bushie.

And btw, if you really feel Obama isn't your president, you're free to leave for a better country with a better system.

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<quoted text>Then you would enjoy even MORE freedom in a place like Somalia. There are more gun toting conservatives there who are fighting for their freedom, so you should fit right in.
Sorry, but I would prefer not to live in a country ruled by muslim extremists. YOU can go there and tell them not to have weapons. I will help you get a ticket if you promise to stay ;)

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<quoted text>Really? "... I know ONE thing, that my dad keeps harping upon me: The liberals in the US are just like communists under Stalin...."
So you must therefore agree the nazi were the better option since they hated communist, bolsheviks and social democrats.
That leaves conservatives as their only supporters.
It's so interesting on what political view you view as being "good."
In the 1932 election for President of the Reich, Paul von Hindenburg was the candidate of the center-right-moderate coalition, Adolf Hitler was the candidate of the National Socialists, and Ernst Thalmann was the Communist Party candidate.
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More tomorrow. Goodnight all.
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First of all, YOU have to explain why the National Socialists went after someone, not anyone else. They killed thousands of nazis as well in 1934. What's your point? Liberals don't hate each other? Stalin didn't kill countless socialists? What about Mao? What about Enver Hoxxha? these people even killed their own party members when it came to it. Also, how many tens of thousands "social democrats" jumped ship before 1933?
The nazis could care less what you were as long as you weren't a nazi. The entire national socialism national economy was as intense or even more intense government take over than Obama's America.
No, I don't need to explain what history does well enough on it's own. I'm not aware of nazis killing nazis, let alone in the thousands.

But if you're trying to equate Obama and/or liberals in the same breath as Stalin or Mao, then you aren't much different than Hitler as those political philosophies were considered his opposition!

Keep in mind, cons in America LOVE the military at any cost. Hitler's economic plans played very well into building that military program that he was hoping would be the thousand year reich!

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<quoted text>Right. So rulers like Stalin made deals with the devil so they could become bigger devils themselves. And this was AFTER it was clear Hitler had no love for the bolsheviks.
Poland and other Eastern Eurpoean countries paid the price for those agreements. So clearly the politics outweighed the national pride felt by both.
Cons make it a practice to run war. It's a money making venture for them. People are just another resource to be used and discarded... the same way they use God as a moral leverage for being right.
Can only say this, because it is late. I wish all it took in medical school was displaying such an amount of narrated ignorance as you have shown. What a push and lazy life those 4 years would be instead of the living he11 it was! No need to explain to you that "eastern Europe" is a little bit more complex than California, right? And, of course, the liberal "democracies" in the west were such stalwart stewards of freedom and confronting the Devil as well, right?

Also, there is a huge conceptual difference between a non-aggression pact out of temporary strategic necessity and an alliance of conquest. No matter how wicked Stalin was, he would have been even more incompetent if he had allowed Hitler to occupy Poland east of the Bug. And isn't it likewise interesting how the hypocrite west never said a word about Stalins invasions in same time interval? What do you expect most nations over there to do then? Cry or the League o Nations?
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Sorry, but I would prefer not to live in a country ruled by muslim extremists. YOU can go there and tell them not to have weapons. I will help you get a ticket if you promise to stay ;)
Hey! All I'm saying is they think and act in parallel to you.

Seems to me to be a better fit than having to change an entire country.

Besides, when did you start getting queasy on religion?
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<quoted text>lol! Right.
Sure.
When Gabby Giffords was shot, there was an armed citizen who didn't draw his weapon. His excuse was there were too many people.
Now you want to place people with weapons in a confined environment with kids.
I have yet to hear the acceptable level of collateral damage cons are will to have. For some reason, I don't believe they want to discuss that... only playing policeman is all.
The death of 26 people in Newtown is testimony to the failure of the concept of gun-free schools. Perhaps if the principal or another teacher had been armed, the carnage could have been reduced.

Even in a leftwing city like Los Angeles, the police are increasing their presence in the schools, but with real cops on a random basis instead of stationing a burnout case at each school. This way, the nutjobs never know what they may be facing. Makes sense.

In the Giffords case, the shooter was subdued within seconds.
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<quoted text>lol! Funny how gun right people are ok until they do something illegal. Then all of a sudden in the conservative playbook, they're reclassified as "supporters," to "criminal" and "mentally ill" left wingers!
amazing.
No clue what you are trying to say, old man.

Please translate.

People who commit crimes, with or without guns, are criminals, whether liberal or conservative.

Most people who commit mass murder are mentally ill, whether liberal or conservative.

My guess would be that the Newtown shooter had no political convictions whatsoever.
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Can only say this, because it is late. I wish all it took in medical school was displaying such an amount of narrated ignorance as you have shown. What a push and lazy life those 4 years would be instead of the living he11 it was! No need to explain to you that "eastern Europe" is a little bit more complex than California, right? And, of course, the liberal "democracies" in the west were such stalwart stewards of freedom and confronting the Devil as well, right?
Also, there is a huge conceptual difference between a non-aggression pact out of temporary strategic necessity and an alliance of conquest. No matter how wicked Stalin was, he would have been even more incompetent if he had allowed Hitler to occupy Poland east of the Bug. And isn't it likewise interesting how the hypocrite west never said a word about Stalins invasions in same time interval? What do you expect most nations over there to do then? Cry or the League o Nations?
Yeah right. Legitimize the demise of a country to protect your own. A non aggression pact that went out the window at Hitler's convenience, but stumbled on timing thanks to the Italians.

Yes, the west was hypocritical, especially Britain. But then, they were in no position to help militarily either.

Both Russian and Germany had eyes on Eastern Europe. So please don't try and offer those buffer countries as canon fodder for expanding their sphere of influence. They're both guilty of running a land grab scam despite their opposing politics.
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No clue what you are trying to say, old man.
Please translate.
People who commit crimes, with or without guns, are criminals, whether liberal or conservative.
Most people who commit mass murder are mentally ill, whether liberal or conservative.
My guess would be that the Newtown shooter had no political convictions whatsoever.
True son. But these people somehow "magically" become liberal if they do something illegal. Cons simply disavow them and expect things to go on as before.

What a bunch of lame idiots! I guess you're hoping everyone else is too!

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Don't confuse a conflict with civil events.
***"conflict"? What is that? Is that a legal term that enables you to kill other nations' citizens?

If you think such conflicts in Pakistan is bad, then by all means you should spout off against it... just like cons should have regarding iraq.
****You are very slow..... What does it have to do with what Bush did in Iraq (Which I never supported and MOST liberals fully backed) that Obama now is killing children every day because he is to afraid of taking political responsibility to do it otherwise? Do you think the US can keep paying blood money forever down there? Otherwise, the sad part is that you like most liberals seem entitled to kill at the moment. You have no idea how often I hear liberals now say, GOOD!! KILL THEM?!! THEY ARE ENEMIES!! The same people who was mounted on a white horse with shining armor and lance when Bush did it. Not only that, your peace-president has increased the drone killings multifold and doesn't care any more about the dead kids than Bush did. I feel sorry for your soul if you see it that way, but it doesn't surprise me. You liberals never were against neither war nor torture. OBama is the first president that has authorized the right to kill US citizens on US soil on suspicion of being terrorist. It was not Bush, not Ashcroft and not even Cheney!! IT WAS YOU OBAMA!!

Instead, they simply made money off the event, thanks to bushie.
**So NOW under Obama nobody is making money off war? The defense contractors just stopped making weapons, since BHO got the "peace prize" right?

And btw, if you really feel Obama isn't your president, you're free to leave for a better country with a better system.
**We will see. I will leave if my family or other things are in grave threat and my wife doesn't want to stay around. It will mainly be for the kids sake, because people like you would love nothing more than put them in a foster home and re-educate them. Of that I am certain. Therefore, I may very well have to leave one day.
If you liberals don't now start to see how much you are hungry for blood and drooling over death nowadays, because you are too scared to have to face accusations of hypocrisy it is even worse. I have "spouted off" about your president killing hundreds of Pakistani kids, but where have YOU been? Same place as Cindy Sheehan, I guess, in hiding over the embarrassment that YOUR president is a much more deliberate and cold-blooded killer than Dick Cheney ever was. They act that he shot someone else in a hunting accident doesn't make him a bigger killer (except in the heads of empty liberals).
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The death of 26 people in Newtown is testimony to the failure of the concept of gun-free schools. Perhaps if the principal or another teacher had been armed, the carnage could have been reduced.
Even in a leftwing city like Los Angeles, the police are increasing their presence in the schools, but with real cops on a random basis instead of stationing a burnout case at each school. This way, the nutjobs never know what they may be facing. Makes sense.
In the Giffords case, the shooter was subdued within seconds.
Hey, as I've said before, if you want fire superiority, you should arm the kids as well. Makes no sense to me but it still follows the logic of bringing firepower to schools.

Funny. I still haven't heard how much collateral is acceptable for gun proponents. It must be a number they know isn't acceptable to the logical public.
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<quoted text>lol! Funny how gun right people are ok until they do something illegal. Then all of a sudden in the conservative playbook, they're reclassified as "supporters," to "criminal" and "mentally ill" left wingers!
amazing.
It's amazing during hurricanes and RIOTS(civil unrest;laughable)Liberals run over to the Republican's hood because they can protect their families against the criminals looting,and hitting truck drivers in the head with a brick!

YOU LOOT, WE SHOOT!
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<quoted text>Then you'll have to explain why they went after the Social Democratic party son. Hitler plan and appeal was economic. This is how he motivated the conservatives and the population base.
Jews were just one of the ethnicity's that that he went after. You say liberals are a "collective?" Clearly Hitler did the same, making up what he felt the opposition was and assigning it to them.
No different than you right wing extremists.
The Social Democrats were allied with the conservative parties under Hindenburg in opposition to Hitler's National Socialists.

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Yes, the west was hypocritical, especially Britain. But then, they were in no position to help militarily either.
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Of course they could have done something. They could have stopped Hitler dead in 1938 even. Actually, they could have stopped him in 1935. Hitler succeeded due to a range of high-risk gambles that only worked due to the ineptitude of the Western democracies to do something. FIne enough, but then these same "freedom loving" nations cannot proclaim any moral high ground either. Likewise, how many raids did the allies launch upon concentration camps? They probably knew to a higher and more systematic extent what was going on than the average German civilian and even most of the armed forces.

The brits could have stopped it and so could the french. Well, in case of the french, could have TRIED may be more fitting, LOL.

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If you liberals don't now start to see how much you are hungry for blood and drooling over death nowadays, because you are too scared to have to face accusations of hypocrisy it is even worse. I have "spouted off" about your president killing hundreds of Pakistani kids, but where have YOU been? Same place as Cindy Sheehan, I guess, in hiding over the embarrassment that YOUR president is a much more deliberate and cold-blooded killer than Dick Cheney ever was. They act that he shot someone else in a hunting accident doesn't make him a bigger killer (except in the heads of empty liberals).
Really? If memory serves, the US is half way through withdrawing from Afghanistan and is also ahead of schedule. The new plans call for an even quicker withdrawal.

Pakistan is an enigma. They take US funds while covering for those who kill US troops.

You got a complaint? I suggest you demand to know from the Pakistani government why the heck they're so complacent! Don't you think they might have an interest in their people?

Or are you making Pakistan a satellite country of the US now?

Pick your poison. You can't sit on both sides of the same line.

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