Barack Obama, our next President

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"The road ahead will be long. Our climb will be steep," Obama cautioned. Young and charismatic but with little experience on the national level, Obama smashed through racial barriers and easily defeated ...
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Better to forget the impeachment process, which will go nowhere in the Democrat Senate, and instead use gun control as a political sledgehammer to gain control of the Senate in 2014.
Gun control is as big a mistake for the Democrats as strict anti-abortion is for the Republicans....only bigger.
The truth is that some form of gun control may be appropriate for shitholes like NYC and Chicago which are gang-controlled, but is not appropriate for the responsible citizens in the rest of America.
Note that Joe Biden's lynch mob is focused only on responsible citizens, not on the criminal or mentally ill elements, which are the Obama base.
lol! Funny how gun right people are ok until they do something illegal. Then all of a sudden in the conservative playbook, they're reclassified as "supporters," to "criminal" and "mentally ill" left wingers!

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It was not my choice, but my parents. Europe at that time was totally unsafe and in most cases they would either turn us back (despite documented VERY systemic destruction of our ethnic communities) or keep us under surveillance in order to placate the Sovjet Union. Nobody on the earth can stand up and say what a brave and great hero Ronald Reagan was and my dad always says he would have taken the bullet he got in a heartbeat. That's how much this leader of your is valued by millions. Because we knew that nobody else would ever lift a finger. Kennedy also stood up to him, but besides that, I don't know.
I know what choices do others have? I have talked about this with friends and it is a good point. Maybe even something that would leave many foreigners a little bit less committed than someone with the back to the wall. However, don't forget that we are also MANY MANY MANY. If it DID get bad, you guys would need foreign support, morally, financially and humanitarian. I know I would give you all everything we got IF we left.
Otherwise, ALL my friends would be welcome to my place in a heartbeat if it came to that. I hope every good american realizes this is a choice that would haunt so many of us no matter what choice we took. Think about our kids friends, think about everything they know. Think about my kids, knowing only 3 languages well enough to get by and they would have huge adjustment problems as refugees or urgent relocators.
No my friends. If we leave it is because we can. Some of us will not leave. Some would... It's a VERY tough thing even to talk about, but try seeing it from our side. If Putin now seriously is thinking of reconciling and digging up the truth, I would at least give it an ear. From the US government, one can sense what will be happening. Despite all nonsense in US media VP is a great statesman and many of his "critiques" over there are nothing but Western props. In any case, the degree o tyranny there is nothing worse than here and in many cases less oppressive.
Finally, Iran is even an option to consider. I don't know much about them except that the US government along with Israel is saying they are bad. That makes me automatically wonder if really the opposite is the truth. However, moving there would just make us risk getting killed by a US military drone or air strike, rather than a federal one here in the US. Not much choice, I think I will leave Iran alone for now.
I'm not gifted with languages unfortunately so I guess this is it for me. Whatever will happen will happen. I appreciate your kind invitation but I suspect we will not be allowed to leave when the crisis comes. Bless you all.

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<quoted text>Really? "... I know ONE thing, that my dad keeps harping upon me: The liberals in the US are just like communists under Stalin...."
So you must therefore agree the nazi were the better option since they hated communist, bolsheviks and social democrats.
That leaves conservatives as their only supporters.
It's so interesting on what political view you view as being "good."
Once upon a time, my people had a military alliance with the germans To us, they didn't kill us, enslave us or try destroying us. Yes, I know the nazis were horrible as well, but their apparatus was just another socialist one. Many of their leaders had communist background. Nazi policies were never implemented in our country. People in our country with Jewish background were even fighting alongside the nazis against Stalin. German SS troops received medical aid by Jewish medical staff. Any harassment of citizens of our nation from any german was dealt with. Also, the germans were considered inferior soldiers in our area and really could not do much without heavy weapons, supplies and strong open lines. They needed us more than we needed them..
War creates alliances of necessity between peoples. WE had clear objectives for out nation and so had the nazis, but that's about it. Many nations in Europe that were "neutral" contributed much more to the nazi dominance in Europe than some allies. Think about Sweden, for example. I don't think the german military could even have managed a significant rearmament if it weren't for the Kiruna steel. That was also the main reason for them to invade Norway so they could secure that transport path along the coast. My grandfather told me once there were several people from Norway and Sweden that volunteered fighting the Sovjet Union, then when the germans invaded them, they went and fought THEM. Then after surrender, some of them volunteered to fight the Sovjets again.
War and conflict is complicated and it is mostly dumb and ignorant liberals that can only recite a two-liner piece of history that try to make it seem so simple. And since most of their followers never bother to read or research anything, they will think that whatever people like you say is true.

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The Nazi Party was a Social Democrat party, worshiping big government at the expense of individual rights.
Their opposition to Communists was the same as their opposition to Jews, which was as a scapegoat to blame for the problems in Germany following World War I.
CORRECT< CORRECT< CORRECT.

(It's not just ONLY idiots on this site).
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<quoted text>What's interesting is the right wing extremist seem to have multiple factions of what they feel America should look like.
What's even more interesting is they have no qualms keeping their socialistic programs, while taking those that don't affect them away.
.... the biggest problem for the tea-p.
You seem so smug sometimes. What do you know that we don't? We've had 50 years of Liberal politics and look where we are now. Why can't you see what you're doing to the country?
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The Nazi Party was a Social Democrat party, worshiping big government at the expense of individual rights.
Their opposition to Communists was the same as their opposition to Jews, which was as a scapegoat to blame for the problems in Germany following World War I.
Then you'll have to explain why they went after the Social Democratic party son. Hitler plan and appeal was economic. This is how he motivated the conservatives and the population base.

Jews were just one of the ethnicity's that that he went after. You say liberals are a "collective?" Clearly Hitler did the same, making up what he felt the opposition was and assigning it to them.

No different than you right wing extremists.

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<quoted text>lol! Right.

I have yet to hear the acceptable level of collateral damage cons are will to have. For some reason, I don't believe they want to discuss that... only playing policeman is all.
What do YOU prefer? A gunman shooting at you with several kids there and you with no arms destined to die OR having a gun with the chance that a miss may hit someone else that would have been killed by the gunman to begin with.

How is your presidents "collateral damage" with kids in Pakistan? Can you tell me how many kids he has to kill in order to get to one "terrorist"? Seems like the only ones who are TRULY in favor of collateral damages when it counts is you liberals.

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I'm not gifted with languages unfortunately so I guess this is it for me. Whatever will happen will happen. I appreciate your kind invitation but I suspect we will not be allowed to leave when the crisis comes. Bless you all.
A government cannot shut down the borders over night. It will be easy or millions to relocate, especially when thankful former immigrants who remember who welcomed THEM will have ability to help. Still, I may just stick around. Got more friends and people I know in the US than anywhere else and that may be tipping the scales.
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Once upon a time, my people had a military alliance with the germans To us, they didn't kill us, enslave us or try destroying us. Yes, I know the nazis were horrible as well, but their apparatus was just another socialist one. Many of their leaders had communist background. Nazi policies were never implemented in our country. People in our country with Jewish background were even fighting alongside the nazis against Stalin. German SS troops received medical aid by Jewish medical staff. Any harassment of citizens of our nation from any german was dealt with. Also, the germans were considered inferior soldiers in our area and really could not do much without heavy weapons, supplies and strong open lines. They needed us more than we needed them..
War creates alliances of necessity between peoples. WE had clear objectives for out nation and so had the nazis, but that's about it. Many nations in Europe that were "neutral" contributed much more to the nazi dominance in Europe than some allies. Think about Sweden, for example. I don't think the german military could even have managed a significant rearmament if it weren't for the Kiruna steel. That was also the main reason for them to invade Norway so they could secure that transport path along the coast. My grandfather told me once there were several people from Norway and Sweden that volunteered fighting the Sovjet Union, then when the germans invaded them, they went and fought THEM. Then after surrender, some of them volunteered to fight the Sovjets again.
War and conflict is complicated and it is mostly dumb and ignorant liberals that can only recite a two-liner piece of history that try to make it seem so simple. And since most of their followers never bother to read or research anything, they will think that whatever people like you say is true.
Right. So rulers like Stalin made deals with the devil so they could become bigger devils themselves. And this was AFTER it was clear Hitler had no love for the bolsheviks.

Poland and other Eastern Eurpoean countries paid the price for those agreements. So clearly the politics outweighed the national pride felt by both.

Cons make it a practice to run war. It's a money making venture for them. People are just another resource to be used and discarded... the same way they use God as a moral leverage for being right.

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<quoted text>Then you'll have to explain why they went after the Social Democratic party son. Hitler plan and appeal was economic. This is how he motivated the conservatives and the population base.
Jews were just one of the ethnicity's that that he went after. You say liberals are a "collective?" Clearly Hitler did the same, making up what he felt the opposition was and assigning it to them.
No different than you right wing extremists.
First of all, YOU have to explain why the National Socialists went after someone, not anyone else. They killed thousands of nazis as well in 1934. What's your point? Liberals don't hate each other? Stalin didn't kill countless socialists? What about Mao? What about Enver Hoxxha? these people even killed their own party members when it came to it. Also, how many tens of thousands "social democrats" jumped ship before 1933?

The nazis could care less what you were as long as you weren't a nazi. The entire national socialism national economy was as intense or even more intense government take over than Obama's America.

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What do YOU prefer? A gunman shooting at you with several kids there and you with no arms destined to die OR having a gun with the chance that a miss may hit someone else that would have been killed by the gunman to begin with.
How is your presidents "collateral damage" with kids in Pakistan? Can you tell me how many kids he has to kill in order to get to one "terrorist"? Seems like the only ones who are TRULY in favor of collateral damages when it counts is you liberals.
What level of collateral deaths is acceptable for you son?

Don't confuse a conflict with civil events. If you think such conflicts in Pakistan is bad, then by all means you should spout off against it... just like cons should have regarding iraq.

Instead, they simply made money off the event, thanks to bushie.

And btw, if you really feel Obama isn't your president, you're free to leave for a better country with a better system.

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<quoted text>Then you would enjoy even MORE freedom in a place like Somalia. There are more gun toting conservatives there who are fighting for their freedom, so you should fit right in.
Sorry, but I would prefer not to live in a country ruled by muslim extremists. YOU can go there and tell them not to have weapons. I will help you get a ticket if you promise to stay ;)

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<quoted text>Really? "... I know ONE thing, that my dad keeps harping upon me: The liberals in the US are just like communists under Stalin...."
So you must therefore agree the nazi were the better option since they hated communist, bolsheviks and social democrats.
That leaves conservatives as their only supporters.
It's so interesting on what political view you view as being "good."
In the 1932 election for President of the Reich, Paul von Hindenburg was the candidate of the center-right-moderate coalition, Adolf Hitler was the candidate of the National Socialists, and Ernst Thalmann was the Communist Party candidate.
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More tomorrow. Goodnight all.
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First of all, YOU have to explain why the National Socialists went after someone, not anyone else. They killed thousands of nazis as well in 1934. What's your point? Liberals don't hate each other? Stalin didn't kill countless socialists? What about Mao? What about Enver Hoxxha? these people even killed their own party members when it came to it. Also, how many tens of thousands "social democrats" jumped ship before 1933?
The nazis could care less what you were as long as you weren't a nazi. The entire national socialism national economy was as intense or even more intense government take over than Obama's America.
No, I don't need to explain what history does well enough on it's own. I'm not aware of nazis killing nazis, let alone in the thousands.

But if you're trying to equate Obama and/or liberals in the same breath as Stalin or Mao, then you aren't much different than Hitler as those political philosophies were considered his opposition!

Keep in mind, cons in America LOVE the military at any cost. Hitler's economic plans played very well into building that military program that he was hoping would be the thousand year reich!

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<quoted text>Right. So rulers like Stalin made deals with the devil so they could become bigger devils themselves. And this was AFTER it was clear Hitler had no love for the bolsheviks.
Poland and other Eastern Eurpoean countries paid the price for those agreements. So clearly the politics outweighed the national pride felt by both.
Cons make it a practice to run war. It's a money making venture for them. People are just another resource to be used and discarded... the same way they use God as a moral leverage for being right.
Can only say this, because it is late. I wish all it took in medical school was displaying such an amount of narrated ignorance as you have shown. What a push and lazy life those 4 years would be instead of the living he11 it was! No need to explain to you that "eastern Europe" is a little bit more complex than California, right? And, of course, the liberal "democracies" in the west were such stalwart stewards of freedom and confronting the Devil as well, right?

Also, there is a huge conceptual difference between a non-aggression pact out of temporary strategic necessity and an alliance of conquest. No matter how wicked Stalin was, he would have been even more incompetent if he had allowed Hitler to occupy Poland east of the Bug. And isn't it likewise interesting how the hypocrite west never said a word about Stalins invasions in same time interval? What do you expect most nations over there to do then? Cry or the League o Nations?
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Sorry, but I would prefer not to live in a country ruled by muslim extremists. YOU can go there and tell them not to have weapons. I will help you get a ticket if you promise to stay ;)
Hey! All I'm saying is they think and act in parallel to you.

Seems to me to be a better fit than having to change an entire country.

Besides, when did you start getting queasy on religion?
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<quoted text>lol! Right.
Sure.
When Gabby Giffords was shot, there was an armed citizen who didn't draw his weapon. His excuse was there were too many people.
Now you want to place people with weapons in a confined environment with kids.
I have yet to hear the acceptable level of collateral damage cons are will to have. For some reason, I don't believe they want to discuss that... only playing policeman is all.
The death of 26 people in Newtown is testimony to the failure of the concept of gun-free schools. Perhaps if the principal or another teacher had been armed, the carnage could have been reduced.

Even in a leftwing city like Los Angeles, the police are increasing their presence in the schools, but with real cops on a random basis instead of stationing a burnout case at each school. This way, the nutjobs never know what they may be facing. Makes sense.

In the Giffords case, the shooter was subdued within seconds.
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<quoted text>lol! Funny how gun right people are ok until they do something illegal. Then all of a sudden in the conservative playbook, they're reclassified as "supporters," to "criminal" and "mentally ill" left wingers!
amazing.
No clue what you are trying to say, old man.

Please translate.

People who commit crimes, with or without guns, are criminals, whether liberal or conservative.

Most people who commit mass murder are mentally ill, whether liberal or conservative.

My guess would be that the Newtown shooter had no political convictions whatsoever.
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Can only say this, because it is late. I wish all it took in medical school was displaying such an amount of narrated ignorance as you have shown. What a push and lazy life those 4 years would be instead of the living he11 it was! No need to explain to you that "eastern Europe" is a little bit more complex than California, right? And, of course, the liberal "democracies" in the west were such stalwart stewards of freedom and confronting the Devil as well, right?
Also, there is a huge conceptual difference between a non-aggression pact out of temporary strategic necessity and an alliance of conquest. No matter how wicked Stalin was, he would have been even more incompetent if he had allowed Hitler to occupy Poland east of the Bug. And isn't it likewise interesting how the hypocrite west never said a word about Stalins invasions in same time interval? What do you expect most nations over there to do then? Cry or the League o Nations?
Yeah right. Legitimize the demise of a country to protect your own. A non aggression pact that went out the window at Hitler's convenience, but stumbled on timing thanks to the Italians.

Yes, the west was hypocritical, especially Britain. But then, they were in no position to help militarily either.

Both Russian and Germany had eyes on Eastern Europe. So please don't try and offer those buffer countries as canon fodder for expanding their sphere of influence. They're both guilty of running a land grab scam despite their opposing politics.

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