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John Galt

Temecula, CA

#838843 Jan 13, 2013
VeganTiger wrote:
<quoted text>
As a naturalized Resident, both me and my wife has strong ties to our countries of origin. This has also enabled us to me able to move to 10-15 other countries as well if the shite hits the fan. It really will come down to what my wife would want. Should we leave this country and everybody we love here in order to save our kids and family? Where are our true responsibility. If it were only a question of self with no dependents, I think the issue would be differently. This is a very tricky and tough moral question and no answer would be correct. Stay here and unless the tyranny backs off, our kids will likely be destroyed and taken away from us in case this goes out of hand. I think this is a question many parents with foreign ties are wondering about these days.
Having said the above, I love this country and what it has given me, so just sending the kids out of the country to grow up in freedom and be safe is another option and may be a "moral compromise".
Most of us do not have that option and must fight to save the American way of life.
John Galt

Temecula, CA

#838844 Jan 13, 2013
VeganTiger wrote:
Are liberals any significantly split with regards to the question of force, brutality and killing others? As far as I am concerned, it doesn't look like it. Often in the past, it has been tempting to believe they have good intentions, but no clue about reality. However, I would say most liberals of today are more of the attitude that they are convinced it is necessary and just "hope" too much bloodshed will not happen. I can sense the same thing with most liberal;s I talk to. Not that this topic is ever discussed of course, but you can sense that their infatuation with statism and blind autocracy would most likely override most of their individual moral qualms.
After all, liberals will be strong collectivists if it comes to it and would throw ANY individual under the bus if it mathematically benefited "the common good".
The Obama mob are leftists, not "liberals", and are collectivists to the core.
John Galt

Temecula, CA

#838845 Jan 13, 2013
VeganTiger wrote:
Are liberals any significantly split with regards to the question of force, brutality and killing others? As far as I am concerned, it doesn't look like it. Often in the past, it has been tempting to believe they have good intentions, but no clue about reality. However, I would say most liberals of today are more of the attitude that they are convinced it is necessary and just "hope" too much bloodshed will not happen. I can sense the same thing with most liberal;s I talk to. Not that this topic is ever discussed of course, but you can sense that their infatuation with statism and blind autocracy would most likely override most of their individual moral qualms.
After all, liberals will be strong collectivists if it comes to it and would throw ANY individual under the bus if it mathematically benefited "the common good".
You can pray if it gives you comfort.

But the country would be a lot better off if you and your church friends would get out and work to change things, including voting.
carol

Orlando, FL

#838846 Jan 13, 2013
John Galt wrote:
<quoted text>
Most of us do not have that option and must fight to save the American way of life.
I agree. It seems ironic that a naturalized American should have options that are unavailable to the rest of us. But what can you expect from the Democrat liars. We may not survive the next four years as a nation but at least some of us predicted the end. Too bad the rest of them wouldn't listen.
carol

Orlando, FL

#838847 Jan 13, 2013
Oops, the dreaded double post. Sorry.

“Grow the power within yourself”

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#838848 Jan 13, 2013
carol wrote:
<quoted text>
Where are you from, Vegan? Why did you leave? You sound like a wise man.. I pray we will turn all this around soon. Stay strong.
Big chunks of my family were killed by liberals, I mean socialists, while quite a few of the rest are in SIberia and most of current living family never knew or met them. I doubt we will never find the rest of our family there. Only thing I know is many of them were located in same areas as the German POW's from WW2. I know several people from pour historical village supposedly languished in the lead mines in Tobolsk. My homeland has been occupied since 1944 and continues to be so. However, now the Russian government is seriously trying to reach out and reconcile the past, including talking to the neighbor country the main chunk of living family is. It was an exceptional time all the way up to the 90's. Because of all this journey, I have learned to adapt and adjust. I don't hunt, but refuse to be weaponless. I can get around as well and have one other passport as well.

Yes, history and knowledge makes one wise and experiencing horrors makes you both hard, soft and full of will to live and be free. Those in the community that stayed on after occupation had to run in all guns. Bolt-action, Sami knives, pistols you name it. And THEN they came for their lands and THEN moved in their own nationals AFTER killing us off, shipping us to Siberia or simply failing to get us, which obviously pertains to the live part of the family. Liberals are ignorant. Many of them probably just think this is funny and has no more clue than many of the "republicans"> They are sooo disrespectful of anything that they feel they can knock upon. I have no count of how many time some smirky liberal has tried to be condescending telling me something about my part o the world or, even better HISTORY!! They know nothing, they are so crude and empty. I speak at least 12 languages fluently and another 10 so so. Maybe English is not my best one, but I can beat up any liberal verbally at his/her worst moment when my linguistic skills, knowledge of medicine and engineering background (demolitions) whenever they try to dupe. I don't dislike liberals because they tend to be dumb and ignorant. I detest them because they know they are both, yet still pretend to be the all-knowing sage.

Don't worry, I am VERY strong and will never bend over. However, my kids or wife don't deserve to experience another nightmare like my family did in the past. I have many many goo American friends and if I left with my family, I would do everything I could to help as many as possible later on as needed.

Let's hope it doesn't get to this. I know ONE thing, that my dad keeps harping upon me: The liberals in the US are just like communists under Stalin. They are not allowed to draw blood (yet), but are hungering for death and suffering of their political opponents. They are like a pack of wild dogs that have been starved and kept in a cage. Waiting for the moment when their masters will let them out and they can start stalking the prey their master has marked for them. THAT there is no doubt about. To be unarmed against such thugs will never do anything but ensure you die fast enough not to experience the horrid decay that follows their foot steps.

Lincoln

United States

#838849 Jan 13, 2013
John Galt wrote:
<quoted text>
Tea Party enthusiasm gave Republicans control of the House.
True

“Grow the power within yourself”

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#838850 Jan 13, 2013
John Galt wrote:
<quoted text>
You can pray if it gives you comfort.
But the country would be a lot better off if you and your church friends would get out and work to change things, including voting.
First of all, what do you mean by "church friends"? Where the heck did I say a word about "church"? Then voting.. For who?? Romney? A guy that has said everything Obama has in the past and then just had to change position (sssssss) on it all. A wall street operative that probably would keep up 99% of Obamas stuff.

Nope, don't think so.. After the Republicans sabotaged RP's chances so deliberately and gave him a cold and condescending shoulder, why should I even spit at Republicans? Liberals are honestly disgusting , but so many "republicans" are just pretending something to get the same power they now envy the libs for. Many of them are probably going to agree with most big lines in Obama's policy.

Yes, praying is MORE effective to preserve the freedom of America than voting for another empty suit whether or not he has an R or a D behind his name.

“Grow the power within yourself”

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#838851 Jan 13, 2013
John Galt wrote:
<quoted text>
Depends on the location. Many teachers are not "super-liberals" at all, and the male teachers are hunters in about the same proportion as the general public. Add some presumption of better judgment and character than the janitors.
As a conservative (fiscal, not social), I disagree with you about the value of the public school systems. My experience is that the only alternatives are religious schools, which are not acceptable, at least to me. Home schooling is a joke unless the parent(s) are sufficiently educated, in which case they would be better in the workforce.
So, we can agree to disagree on this subject.
Well, liberal or not, most teachers are easily able to fall in place and start worshipping the autocracy. Not only that, they are an essential tool to brain wash kids and public schools will always just be a tool of the liberal apparatus.

Why is home schooling "a joke" and how "educated" is "sufficient"? What do you mean by "better in the workforce"?? Guess what?? I think you are a liberal. You may not be acting under disguise here, but you believe in and support the same system. You have the same condescending attitude like people are helpless and only some people are "qualified".

"presumption of better character than janitors". WOW, I'm surprised you didn;t type this in blue letters.

So what if the male teachers are "hunters"? What does that have to do with anything? I don't hunt, yet I think I can very well handle most firearms. Not the best shot, but I can use an AK or a pump shot gun at close range and hit most things. Most hunters that enter a weapons fight using hunting tactics would be dead before one shot were fired. It certainly has a little bit a of a romantic flair, but any 12-year old that has some experience with a play station is more effective with a small caliber pistol than a hunter with a bolt-action rifle and a scope.

“Grow the power within yourself”

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#838852 Jan 13, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
<quoted text>
True
You mean, the Republican party disguised their election campaign with some different clothes and enough fools were attracted to vote them in so they also could feed off the trough and blow up the deficit.

It is CONGRESS that is mostly responsible for this mess and not Obama. They have the sole authority to grant money, but have given Obama everything he wanted so they can get re-elected. Remember, the people who elected them have very short memory.

“Grow the power within yourself”

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#838853 Jan 13, 2013
John Galt wrote:
<quoted text>

Time for them to jerk Quisling Republicans like Christie back to reality. Otherwise they will be like the Jews who packed their suitcases for the trip to Auschwitz, thinking that cooperation would save them.
Chris Christie is quite right wing for a modern Republican. However, that doesn't mean he won't sell his soul to the highest bidder like the rest of them.

If all the fooled would wake up and stop voting at all for a couple of elections, maybe the ridiculousness of the system will be revealed.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#838854 Jan 13, 2013
John Galt wrote:
<quoted text>
The Obama mob are leftists, not "liberals", and are collectivists to the core.
Exactly the Moderen Left prefers Collectivism and their political philosophy and what they are promoting as Liberal policies is no where close to the political philosophy of a True Liberal or what it meant to be a Liberal.

Liberalism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism#Histo...

Classical liberalism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_libera...

Classical Liberalism vs. Modern Liberalism and Modern Conservatism.

Modern liberalism is not completely collectivist; nor is it completely individualistic. It has elements of both doctrines. The same is true of conservatism. Neither view provides a coherent approach to politics, built up from first principles. Instead, they both reflect a process that is akin to picking items from a dinner menu. What is chosen is a matter of taste rather than a matter of thought. Just as people with similar tastes in food tend to frequent the same restaurants, people with the same tastes in politics tend to vote for the same candidates.

The Sociology of Modern Liberalism. Most liberals — at least mainstream liberals — believe you should be able to say anything you like (other than yelling fire in a crowded theater), no matter how much it offends and, for the most part, no matter how seditious. They also believe you should be able to publish almost anything as a matter of right. But they reject the idea of economic rights. They reject, for example, the notion of a right to freely sell one’s services in the labor market. The New York Times in particular supports minimum wage legislation that keeps people from working if they cannot produce at least $7.25 an hour.

Similarly, in the liberal view of the world, the butcher, the baker and the candlestick maker have no fundamental right to enter their chosen professions and sell their goods to the public. The medieval guilds that Adam Smith criticized were in this view not violating any fundamental rights when they restricted entry, controlled prices and output and imposed other monopolistic constraints. The same principle applies to modern special interest legislation.

Liberals are not advocates of special interest legislation per se. But they are apologists for it in the sense they believe that economic regulations should be decided by democratic political institutions, not by court-enforced rights to freedom of contract. So if butchers, bakers and candlestick makers succeed in obtaining special interest favors from government at the expense of everyone else, that is a legitimate exercise of political power.

The New York Times believes that you have a right to engage in almost any sexual activity in the privacy of your own bedroom. But the Times does not believe you have a fundamental right to rent your bedroom (or any other room) to your sexual partner – or to anyone else for that matter. Indeed, the Times is fully supportive of the principle of government regulation of who can rent to whom, for how long, under what circumstances, and at what price.

The liberal’s view of rights is closely connected to the issue of trust. The editorial page of The New York Times does not trust government to read our mail or listen to our phone calls — even if the caller is talking to young Arab males behaving suspiciously. Yet the Times editorial writers are completely comfortable with having government control their retirement income, even though Social Security has been managed like a Ponzi scheme. They are also willing to cede control to government over their (and everyone else’s) health care, including the power to make rationing decisions about who lives and who dies!

http://www.ncpa.org/pub/classical-liberalism-...
carol

Orlando, FL

#838855 Jan 13, 2013
Why did you choose America to come to, Vegan, if you had so many other choices? What about those of us who have no place else to go?

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#838856 Jan 13, 2013
John Galt wrote:
<quoted text>
The Obama mob are leftists, not "liberals", and are collectivists to the core.
The 19th century was the century of classical liberalism. Partly for that reason it was also the century of ever-increasing economic and political liberty, relative international peace, relative price stability and unprecedented economic growth. By contrast, the 20th century was the century that rejected classical liberalism. Partly for that reason, it was the century of dictatorship, depression and war. Nearly 265 million people were killed by their own governments (in addition to all the deaths from wars!) in the 20th century – more than in any previous century and possibly more than in all previous centuries combined.2 All forms of collectivism in the 20th century rejected the classical liberal notion of rights and all asserted in their own way that need is a claim. For the communists, the needs of the class (proletariat) were a claim against every individual. For the Nazis, the needs of the race were a claim. For fascists (Italian-style) and for architects of the welfare state, the needs of society as a whole were a claim. Since in all these systems the state is the personification of the class, the race, society as a whole, etc., all these ideologies imply that, to one degree or another, individuals have an obligation to live for the state. Yet, the ideas of liberty survived. Indeed, almost everything that is good about modern liberalism (mainly its defense of civil liberties) comes from classical liberalism. And almost everything that is good about modern conservatism (mainly its defense of economic liberties) also comes from classical liberalism.

http://www.ncpa.org/pub/classical-liberalism-...

“Grow the power within yourself”

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#838857 Jan 13, 2013
John Galt wrote:
<quoted text>
The Obama mob are leftists, not "liberals", and are collectivists to the core.
Well, I consider ALL liberals of today as leftists, it is just this confusing lingo that is burying me. For example, every time my dad hears someone say "red state", he almost has flash backs back to being in prison for having read Time magazine (back in the days). In the rest o the world, RED is RED, but in the US, RED appears to be BLUE and BLUE to be BLOOD RED.

Very confusing, but you are correct. the main message is that they are collectivists and these people are always evil to the core and cannot have a political system without tyranny.
John Galt

Temecula, CA

#838858 Jan 13, 2013
VeganTiger wrote:
<quoted text>
First of all, what do you mean by "church friends"? Where the heck did I say a word about "church"? Then voting.. For who?? Romney? A guy that has said everything Obama has in the past and then just had to change position (sssssss) on it all. A wall street operative that probably would keep up 99% of Obamas stuff.
Nope, don't think so.. After the Republicans sabotaged RP's chances so deliberately and gave him a cold and condescending shoulder, why should I even spit at Republicans? Liberals are honestly disgusting , but so many "republicans" are just pretending something to get the same power they now envy the libs for. Many of them are probably going to agree with most big lines in Obama's policy.
Yes, praying is MORE effective to preserve the freedom of America than voting for another empty suit whether or not he has an R or a D behind his name.
My response was intended for Carol. My apologies.
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#838859 Jan 13, 2013
VeganTiger wrote:
<quoted text>
Big chunks of my family were killed by liberals, I mean socialists, while quite a few of the rest are in SIberia and most of current living family never knew or met them. I doubt we will never find the rest of our family there. Only thing I know is many of them were located in same areas as the German POW's from WW2. I know several people from pour historical village supposedly languished in the lead mines in Tobolsk. My homeland has been occupied since 1944 and continues to be so. However, now the Russian government is seriously trying to reach out and reconcile the past, including talking to the neighbor country the main chunk of living family is. It was an exceptional time all the way up to the 90's. Because of all this journey, I have learned to adapt and adjust. I don't hunt, but refuse to be weaponless. I can get around as well and have one other passport as well.
Yes, history and knowledge makes one wise and experiencing horrors makes you both hard, soft and full of will to live and be free. Those in the community that stayed on after occupation had to run in all guns. Bolt-action, Sami knives, pistols you name it. And THEN they came for their lands and THEN moved in their own nationals AFTER killing us off, shipping us to Siberia or simply failing to get us, which obviously pertains to the live part of the family. Liberals are ignorant. Many of them probably just think this is funny and has no more clue than many of the "republicans"> They are sooo disrespectful of anything that they feel they can knock upon. I have no count of how many time some smirky liberal has tried to be condescending telling me something about my part o the world or, even better HISTORY!! They know nothing, they are so crude and empty. I speak at least 12 languages fluently and another 10 so so. Maybe English is not my best one, but I can beat up any liberal verbally at his/her worst moment when my linguistic skills, knowledge of medicine and engineering background (demolitions) whenever they try to dupe. I don't dislike liberals because they tend to be dumb and ignorant. I detest them because they know they are both, yet still pretend to be the all-knowing sage.
Don't worry, I am VERY strong and will never bend over. However, my kids or wife don't deserve to experience another nightmare like my family did in the past. I have many many goo American friends and if I left with my family, I would do everything I could to help as many as possible later on as needed.
Let's hope it doesn't get to this. I know ONE thing, that my dad keeps harping upon me: The liberals in the US are just like communists under Stalin. They are not allowed to draw blood (yet), but are hungering for death and suffering of their political opponents. They are like a pack of wild dogs that have been starved and kept in a cage. Waiting for the moment when their masters will let them out and they can start stalking the prey their master has marked for them. THAT there is no doubt about. To be unarmed against such thugs will never do anything but ensure you die fast enough not to experience the horrid decay that follows their foot steps.
Really? "... I know ONE thing, that my dad keeps harping upon me: The liberals in the US are just like communists under Stalin...."

So you must therefore agree the nazi were the better option since they hated communist, bolsheviks and social democrats.

That leaves conservatives as their only supporters.

It's so interesting on what political view you view as being "good."
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#838860 Jan 13, 2013
VeganTiger wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, I consider ALL liberals of today as leftists, it is just this confusing lingo that is burying me. For example, every time my dad hears someone say "red state", he almost has flash backs back to being in prison for having read Time magazine (back in the days). In the rest o the world, RED is RED, but in the US, RED appears to be BLUE and BLUE to be BLOOD RED.
Very confusing, but you are correct. the main message is that they are collectivists and these people are always evil to the core and cannot have a political system without tyranny.
Then you would enjoy even MORE freedom in a place like Somalia. There are more gun toting conservatives there who are fighting for their freedom, so you should fit right in.
John Galt

Temecula, CA

#838861 Jan 13, 2013
VeganTiger wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, liberal or not, most teachers are easily able to fall in place and start worshipping the autocracy. Not only that, they are an essential tool to brain wash kids and public schools will always just be a tool of the liberal apparatus.
Why is home schooling "a joke" and how "educated" is "sufficient"? What do you mean by "better in the workforce"?? Guess what?? I think you are a liberal. You may not be acting under disguise here, but you believe in and support the same system. You have the same condescending attitude like people are helpless and only some people are "qualified".
"presumption of better character than janitors". WOW, I'm surprised you didn;t type this in blue letters.
So what if the male teachers are "hunters"? What does that have to do with anything? I don't hunt, yet I think I can very well handle most firearms. Not the best shot, but I can use an AK or a pump shot gun at close range and hit most things. Most hunters that enter a weapons fight using hunting tactics would be dead before one shot were fired. It certainly has a little bit a of a romantic flair, but any 12-year old that has some experience with a play station is more effective with a small caliber pistol than a hunter with a bolt-action rifle and a scope.
As stated, I am a fiscal conservative.

Arguments based on region are irrelevant to me.

Abortion is an anchor sinking the conservative cause and those demanding laws against individual behavior are the worst kind of statists.

And, finally, attempts to destroy the public school system instead of improving same are ridiculous.
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#838862 Jan 13, 2013
John Galt wrote:
<quoted text>
You can pray if it gives you comfort.
But the country would be a lot better off if you and your church friends would get out and work to change things, including voting.
Yes... cons are trying to change the rules of voting.

As far as I'm concerned, one of the worst ways for them to promote voter manipulation.

A bunch of scallywags!

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