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carol

Orlando, FL

#838855 Jan 13, 2013
Why did you choose America to come to, Vegan, if you had so many other choices? What about those of us who have no place else to go?

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#838856 Jan 13, 2013
John Galt wrote:
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The Obama mob are leftists, not "liberals", and are collectivists to the core.
The 19th century was the century of classical liberalism. Partly for that reason it was also the century of ever-increasing economic and political liberty, relative international peace, relative price stability and unprecedented economic growth. By contrast, the 20th century was the century that rejected classical liberalism. Partly for that reason, it was the century of dictatorship, depression and war. Nearly 265 million people were killed by their own governments (in addition to all the deaths from wars!) in the 20th century more than in any previous century and possibly more than in all previous centuries combined.2 All forms of collectivism in the 20th century rejected the classical liberal notion of rights and all asserted in their own way that need is a claim. For the communists, the needs of the class (proletariat) were a claim against every individual. For the Nazis, the needs of the race were a claim. For fascists (Italian-style) and for architects of the welfare state, the needs of society as a whole were a claim. Since in all these systems the state is the personification of the class, the race, society as a whole, etc., all these ideologies imply that, to one degree or another, individuals have an obligation to live for the state. Yet, the ideas of liberty survived. Indeed, almost everything that is good about modern liberalism (mainly its defense of civil liberties) comes from classical liberalism. And almost everything that is good about modern conservatism (mainly its defense of economic liberties) also comes from classical liberalism.

http://www.ncpa.org/pub/classical-liberalism-...

“Grow the power within yourself”

Since: Feb 11

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#838857 Jan 13, 2013
John Galt wrote:
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The Obama mob are leftists, not "liberals", and are collectivists to the core.
Well, I consider ALL liberals of today as leftists, it is just this confusing lingo that is burying me. For example, every time my dad hears someone say "red state", he almost has flash backs back to being in prison for having read Time magazine (back in the days). In the rest o the world, RED is RED, but in the US, RED appears to be BLUE and BLUE to be BLOOD RED.

Very confusing, but you are correct. the main message is that they are collectivists and these people are always evil to the core and cannot have a political system without tyranny.
John Galt

Temecula, CA

#838858 Jan 13, 2013
VeganTiger wrote:
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First of all, what do you mean by "church friends"? Where the heck did I say a word about "church"? Then voting.. For who?? Romney? A guy that has said everything Obama has in the past and then just had to change position (sssssss) on it all. A wall street operative that probably would keep up 99% of Obamas stuff.
Nope, don't think so.. After the Republicans sabotaged RP's chances so deliberately and gave him a cold and condescending shoulder, why should I even spit at Republicans? Liberals are honestly disgusting , but so many "republicans" are just pretending something to get the same power they now envy the libs for. Many of them are probably going to agree with most big lines in Obama's policy.
Yes, praying is MORE effective to preserve the freedom of America than voting for another empty suit whether or not he has an R or a D behind his name.
My response was intended for Carol. My apologies.
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#838859 Jan 13, 2013
VeganTiger wrote:
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Big chunks of my family were killed by liberals, I mean socialists, while quite a few of the rest are in SIberia and most of current living family never knew or met them. I doubt we will never find the rest of our family there. Only thing I know is many of them were located in same areas as the German POW's from WW2. I know several people from pour historical village supposedly languished in the lead mines in Tobolsk. My homeland has been occupied since 1944 and continues to be so. However, now the Russian government is seriously trying to reach out and reconcile the past, including talking to the neighbor country the main chunk of living family is. It was an exceptional time all the way up to the 90's. Because of all this journey, I have learned to adapt and adjust. I don't hunt, but refuse to be weaponless. I can get around as well and have one other passport as well.
Yes, history and knowledge makes one wise and experiencing horrors makes you both hard, soft and full of will to live and be free. Those in the community that stayed on after occupation had to run in all guns. Bolt-action, Sami knives, pistols you name it. And THEN they came for their lands and THEN moved in their own nationals AFTER killing us off, shipping us to Siberia or simply failing to get us, which obviously pertains to the live part of the family. Liberals are ignorant. Many of them probably just think this is funny and has no more clue than many of the "republicans"> They are sooo disrespectful of anything that they feel they can knock upon. I have no count of how many time some smirky liberal has tried to be condescending telling me something about my part o the world or, even better HISTORY!! They know nothing, they are so crude and empty. I speak at least 12 languages fluently and another 10 so so. Maybe English is not my best one, but I can beat up any liberal verbally at his/her worst moment when my linguistic skills, knowledge of medicine and engineering background (demolitions) whenever they try to dupe. I don't dislike liberals because they tend to be dumb and ignorant. I detest them because they know they are both, yet still pretend to be the all-knowing sage.
Don't worry, I am VERY strong and will never bend over. However, my kids or wife don't deserve to experience another nightmare like my family did in the past. I have many many goo American friends and if I left with my family, I would do everything I could to help as many as possible later on as needed.
Let's hope it doesn't get to this. I know ONE thing, that my dad keeps harping upon me: The liberals in the US are just like communists under Stalin. They are not allowed to draw blood (yet), but are hungering for death and suffering of their political opponents. They are like a pack of wild dogs that have been starved and kept in a cage. Waiting for the moment when their masters will let them out and they can start stalking the prey their master has marked for them. THAT there is no doubt about. To be unarmed against such thugs will never do anything but ensure you die fast enough not to experience the horrid decay that follows their foot steps.
Really? "... I know ONE thing, that my dad keeps harping upon me: The liberals in the US are just like communists under Stalin...."

So you must therefore agree the nazi were the better option since they hated communist, bolsheviks and social democrats.

That leaves conservatives as their only supporters.

It's so interesting on what political view you view as being "good."
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#838860 Jan 13, 2013
VeganTiger wrote:
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Well, I consider ALL liberals of today as leftists, it is just this confusing lingo that is burying me. For example, every time my dad hears someone say "red state", he almost has flash backs back to being in prison for having read Time magazine (back in the days). In the rest o the world, RED is RED, but in the US, RED appears to be BLUE and BLUE to be BLOOD RED.
Very confusing, but you are correct. the main message is that they are collectivists and these people are always evil to the core and cannot have a political system without tyranny.
Then you would enjoy even MORE freedom in a place like Somalia. There are more gun toting conservatives there who are fighting for their freedom, so you should fit right in.
John Galt

Temecula, CA

#838861 Jan 13, 2013
VeganTiger wrote:
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Well, liberal or not, most teachers are easily able to fall in place and start worshipping the autocracy. Not only that, they are an essential tool to brain wash kids and public schools will always just be a tool of the liberal apparatus.
Why is home schooling "a joke" and how "educated" is "sufficient"? What do you mean by "better in the workforce"?? Guess what?? I think you are a liberal. You may not be acting under disguise here, but you believe in and support the same system. You have the same condescending attitude like people are helpless and only some people are "qualified".
"presumption of better character than janitors". WOW, I'm surprised you didn;t type this in blue letters.
So what if the male teachers are "hunters"? What does that have to do with anything? I don't hunt, yet I think I can very well handle most firearms. Not the best shot, but I can use an AK or a pump shot gun at close range and hit most things. Most hunters that enter a weapons fight using hunting tactics would be dead before one shot were fired. It certainly has a little bit a of a romantic flair, but any 12-year old that has some experience with a play station is more effective with a small caliber pistol than a hunter with a bolt-action rifle and a scope.
As stated, I am a fiscal conservative.

Arguments based on region are irrelevant to me.

Abortion is an anchor sinking the conservative cause and those demanding laws against individual behavior are the worst kind of statists.

And, finally, attempts to destroy the public school system instead of improving same are ridiculous.
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#838862 Jan 13, 2013
John Galt wrote:
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You can pray if it gives you comfort.
But the country would be a lot better off if you and your church friends would get out and work to change things, including voting.
Yes... cons are trying to change the rules of voting.

As far as I'm concerned, one of the worst ways for them to promote voter manipulation.

A bunch of scallywags!
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#838863 Jan 13, 2013
John Galt wrote:
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Most of us do not have that option and must fight to save the American way of life.
Yes son. We know you would like to impose your idea of Ameircana. I have no doubt.
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#838864 Jan 13, 2013
VeganTiger wrote:
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White liberals have ALL Interest in voting for progressivism.
Most of them are government employees and most with private businesses are more like cronies (Sylindra and such). ALso, think of all lawyers, doctors and all other "experts" who either live off government free pickings (the legal system) or play academic behemoths like the New England Journal Of Medicine. Most academic and administrative staff are also liberals. They are the "experts" you know.
Yep. Hitler hated the same group you do!

You do fit right in with that 1930's German crowd!
John Galt

Temecula, CA

#838865 Jan 13, 2013
VeganTiger wrote:
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Well, I consider ALL liberals of today as leftists, it is just this confusing lingo that is burying me. For example, every time my dad hears someone say "red state", he almost has flash backs back to being in prison for having read Time magazine (back in the days). In the rest o the world, RED is RED, but in the US, RED appears to be BLUE and BLUE to be BLOOD RED.
Very confusing, but you are correct. the main message is that they are collectivists and these people are always evil to the core and cannot have a political system without tyranny.
Your confusion exists because you don't understand the true meaning of "liberal."

The Democrat Party of today contains very few liberals.

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#838866 Jan 13, 2013
carol wrote:
Why did you choose America to come to, Vegan, if you had so many other choices? What about those of us who have no place else to go?
It was not my choice, but my parents. Europe at that time was totally unsafe and in most cases they would either turn us back (despite documented VERY systemic destruction of our ethnic communities) or keep us under surveillance in order to placate the Sovjet Union. Nobody on the earth can stand up and say what a brave and great hero Ronald Reagan was and my dad always says he would have taken the bullet he got in a heartbeat. That's how much this leader of your is valued by millions. Because we knew that nobody else would ever lift a finger. Kennedy also stood up to him, but besides that, I don't know.

I know what choices do others have? I have talked about this with friends and it is a good point. Maybe even something that would leave many foreigners a little bit less committed than someone with the back to the wall. However, don't forget that we are also MANY MANY MANY. If it DID get bad, you guys would need foreign support, morally, financially and humanitarian. I know I would give you all everything we got IF we left.

Otherwise, ALL my friends would be welcome to my place in a heartbeat if it came to that. I hope every good american realizes this is a choice that would haunt so many of us no matter what choice we took. Think about our kids friends, think about everything they know. Think about my kids, knowing only 3 languages well enough to get by and they would have huge adjustment problems as refugees or urgent relocators.

No my friends. If we leave it is because we can. Some of us will not leave. Some would... It's a VERY tough thing even to talk about, but try seeing it from our side. If Putin now seriously is thinking of reconciling and digging up the truth, I would at least give it an ear. From the US government, one can sense what will be happening. Despite all nonsense in US media VP is a great statesman and many of his "critiques" over there are nothing but Western props. In any case, the degree o tyranny there is nothing worse than here and in many cases less oppressive.

Finally, Iran is even an option to consider. I don't know much about them except that the US government along with Israel is saying they are bad. That makes me automatically wonder if really the opposite is the truth. However, moving there would just make us risk getting killed by a US military drone or air strike, rather than a federal one here in the US. Not much choice, I think I will leave Iran alone for now.

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Mililani, HI

#838867 Jan 13, 2013
carol wrote:
It's only a matter of time until this once great country falls under the weight of Lieberal Democracy. Unless someone has the courage to change the status quo we will perish in the next four years. I pray for our nation, pray with me.
Dear God, please do not judge us by the weakest among us.
What's interesting is the right wing extremist seem to have multiple factions of what they feel America should look like.

What's even more interesting is they have no qualms keeping their socialistic programs, while taking those that don't affect them away.

.... the biggest problem for the tea-p.
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#838868 Jan 13, 2013
mdbuilder wrote:
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Obama knows this as well as anyone. This was demonization and retribution, he rallied the moron vote with it. He has no intention of lowering the debt or reducing the budget no matter how much revenue he squeezes out of working Americans.
lol! Nor does the right wing son.

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Temecula, CA

#838869 Jan 13, 2013
Yeah wrote:
<quoted text>Really? "... I know ONE thing, that my dad keeps harping upon me: The liberals in the US are just like communists under Stalin...."
So you must therefore agree the nazi were the better option since they hated communist, bolsheviks and social democrats.
That leaves conservatives as their only supporters.
It's so interesting on what political view you view as being "good."
The Nazi Party was a Social Democrat party, worshiping big government at the expense of individual rights.

Their opposition to Communists was the same as their opposition to Jews, which was as a scapegoat to blame for the problems in Germany following World War I.
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#838870 Jan 13, 2013
John Galt wrote:
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I would trust properly trained teachers or administrators over janitors, but some protection is better than none.
lol! Right.
Sure.

When Gabby Giffords was shot, there was an armed citizen who didn't draw his weapon. His excuse was there were too many people.

Now you want to place people with weapons in a confined environment with kids.

I have yet to hear the acceptable level of collateral damage cons are will to have. For some reason, I don't believe they want to discuss that... only playing policeman is all.
John Galt

Temecula, CA

#838871 Jan 13, 2013
Yeah wrote:
<quoted text>Yes son. We know you would like to impose your idea of Ameircana. I have no doubt.
Don't call me "son", you old pedophile.

Save that for your little buddies.
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#838872 Jan 13, 2013
John Galt wrote:
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Better to forget the impeachment process, which will go nowhere in the Democrat Senate, and instead use gun control as a political sledgehammer to gain control of the Senate in 2014.
Gun control is as big a mistake for the Democrats as strict anti-abortion is for the Republicans....only bigger.
The truth is that some form of gun control may be appropriate for shitholes like NYC and Chicago which are gang-controlled, but is not appropriate for the responsible citizens in the rest of America.
Note that Joe Biden's lynch mob is focused only on responsible citizens, not on the criminal or mentally ill elements, which are the Obama base.
lol! Funny how gun right people are ok until they do something illegal. Then all of a sudden in the conservative playbook, they're reclassified as "supporters," to "criminal" and "mentally ill" left wingers!

amazing.
carol

Orlando, FL

#838873 Jan 13, 2013
VeganTiger wrote:
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It was not my choice, but my parents. Europe at that time was totally unsafe and in most cases they would either turn us back (despite documented VERY systemic destruction of our ethnic communities) or keep us under surveillance in order to placate the Sovjet Union. Nobody on the earth can stand up and say what a brave and great hero Ronald Reagan was and my dad always says he would have taken the bullet he got in a heartbeat. That's how much this leader of your is valued by millions. Because we knew that nobody else would ever lift a finger. Kennedy also stood up to him, but besides that, I don't know.
I know what choices do others have? I have talked about this with friends and it is a good point. Maybe even something that would leave many foreigners a little bit less committed than someone with the back to the wall. However, don't forget that we are also MANY MANY MANY. If it DID get bad, you guys would need foreign support, morally, financially and humanitarian. I know I would give you all everything we got IF we left.
Otherwise, ALL my friends would be welcome to my place in a heartbeat if it came to that. I hope every good american realizes this is a choice that would haunt so many of us no matter what choice we took. Think about our kids friends, think about everything they know. Think about my kids, knowing only 3 languages well enough to get by and they would have huge adjustment problems as refugees or urgent relocators.
No my friends. If we leave it is because we can. Some of us will not leave. Some would... It's a VERY tough thing even to talk about, but try seeing it from our side. If Putin now seriously is thinking of reconciling and digging up the truth, I would at least give it an ear. From the US government, one can sense what will be happening. Despite all nonsense in US media VP is a great statesman and many of his "critiques" over there are nothing but Western props. In any case, the degree o tyranny there is nothing worse than here and in many cases less oppressive.
Finally, Iran is even an option to consider. I don't know much about them except that the US government along with Israel is saying they are bad. That makes me automatically wonder if really the opposite is the truth. However, moving there would just make us risk getting killed by a US military drone or air strike, rather than a federal one here in the US. Not much choice, I think I will leave Iran alone for now.
I'm not gifted with languages unfortunately so I guess this is it for me. Whatever will happen will happen. I appreciate your kind invitation but I suspect we will not be allowed to leave when the crisis comes. Bless you all.

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Since: Feb 11

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#838874 Jan 13, 2013
Yeah wrote:
<quoted text>Really? "... I know ONE thing, that my dad keeps harping upon me: The liberals in the US are just like communists under Stalin...."
So you must therefore agree the nazi were the better option since they hated communist, bolsheviks and social democrats.
That leaves conservatives as their only supporters.
It's so interesting on what political view you view as being "good."
Once upon a time, my people had a military alliance with the germans To us, they didn't kill us, enslave us or try destroying us. Yes, I know the nazis were horrible as well, but their apparatus was just another socialist one. Many of their leaders had communist background. Nazi policies were never implemented in our country. People in our country with Jewish background were even fighting alongside the nazis against Stalin. German SS troops received medical aid by Jewish medical staff. Any harassment of citizens of our nation from any german was dealt with. Also, the germans were considered inferior soldiers in our area and really could not do much without heavy weapons, supplies and strong open lines. They needed us more than we needed them..
War creates alliances of necessity between peoples. WE had clear objectives for out nation and so had the nazis, but that's about it. Many nations in Europe that were "neutral" contributed much more to the nazi dominance in Europe than some allies. Think about Sweden, for example. I don't think the german military could even have managed a significant rearmament if it weren't for the Kiruna steel. That was also the main reason for them to invade Norway so they could secure that transport path along the coast. My grandfather told me once there were several people from Norway and Sweden that volunteered fighting the Sovjet Union, then when the germans invaded them, they went and fought THEM. Then after surrender, some of them volunteered to fight the Sovjets again.
War and conflict is complicated and it is mostly dumb and ignorant liberals that can only recite a two-liner piece of history that try to make it seem so simple. And since most of their followers never bother to read or research anything, they will think that whatever people like you say is true.

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