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#838446 Jan 13, 2013
DBWriter wrote:
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It appears you are running away from the discussion you started. Perhaps your indoctrination only included opening arguments. When the real-world facts came into the discussion, you seem to be out of material.
Let's review. Here's where the discussion left off.
The term "fascism" is a twentieth century term. However, the concept of fascism is as old as dictatorship. Fascism occurs when a dictator uses the concept of nationalism to command allegiance to himself, as opposed to using the concept of authority to command that allegiance.
When such people as Napoleon commanded that everyone who loved France must love him was instituting a fascist principle.
I'd like to read that executive order.
If the law stated money will be spent on stem cell research, then the president cannot issue an executive order that violates existing law.
If a law does not state specifically that money will be used for stem cell research, but within the agency that disburses the funds they fund stem cell research, then it is within the Constitutional authority of an executive order to restrict the general distribution of money.
That would have been very easy to rectify. An executive order cannot violate any law. So, all Congress needed to do was write a specific law funding stem cell research, and no executive order would have the authority to stop it.
That's the way it works in the government of the United States.
So, please reference the law that specifically funded stem cell research, and reference the executive order that violated that law.
Text from each would be helpful.
You started it, I just pointed out that you didn't know what "fascism" was.

Again, find it yourself. It'll do you some good to go learn something on your own. Maybe it'll become a habit.
sonicfilter

Indianapolis, IN

#838447 Jan 13, 2013
The seizure of more than 700 guns and the indictments of 34 people announced on Tuesday are further confirmation that Arizona has become an iron highway for weapons into Mexico, according to federal authorities.

Many legal purchases by straw buyers at Arizona gun stores are being financed and orchestrated by Mexico's Sinaloa cartel, federal officials said.

The cases announced Tuesday involved the purchases of many AK-47s,.50-caliber rifles and other semiautomatic weapons in single-day transactions at gun stores by straw buyers paid by the cartel, U.S. Attorney for Arizona Dennis Burke said.

"This is a huge problem in this state. It is a strange phenomenon," Burke said at a news conference at the Phoenix office of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms and Explosives. "Drug cartels go shopping for their war weapons here in Arizona."

At least 17 people were arrested Tuesday in five cases involving a joint crackdown by the ATF, Immigrations and Customs Enforcement, the Internal Revenue Service and the Phoenix Police Department.

Burke said the five cases have gutted an entire firearms organization in Arizona from top to bottom, from straw buyers to organizers to financers.

Charges include making false statements on federal firearms-purchase forms, conspiracy and possession of a firearm in furtherance of a drug-trafficking offense, according to the indictment.

"Straw buyers have as much blood on their hands ... as the ones who pull the trigger," said Bill Newell, special agent in charge of the Phoenix ATF.

All of those indicted are U.S. citizens or legal residents.

The indictments reveal the relative ease with which citizens who have not been convicted of a felony can amass an arsenal of weapons.

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/0...

red state. go figure.
sonicfilter

Indianapolis, IN

#838448 Jan 13, 2013
Community Reinvestment Act had nothing to do with subprime crisis

Fresh off the false and politicized attack on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, today we’re hearing the know-nothings blame the subprime crisis on the Community Reinvestment Act — a 30-year-old law that was actually weakened by the Bush administration just as the worst lending wave began. This is even more ridiculous than blaming Freddie and Fannie.

The Community Reinvestment Act, passed in 1977, requires banks to lend in the low-income neighborhoods where they take deposits. Just the idea that a lending crisis created from 2004 to 2007 was caused by a 1977 law is silly. But it’s even more ridiculous when you consider that most subprime loans were made by firms that aren’t subject to the CRA. University of Michigan law professor Michael Barr testified back in February before the House Committee on Financial Services that 50% of subprime loans were made by mortgage service companies not subject comprehensive federal supervision and another 30% were made by affiliates of banks or thrifts which are not subject to routine supervision or examinations. As former Fed Governor Ned Gramlich said in an August, 2007, speech shortly before he passed away:“In the subprime market where we badly need supervision, a majority of loans are made with very little supervision. It is like a city with a murder law, but no cops on the beat.”

Not surprisingly given the higher degree of supervision, loans made under the CRA program were made in a more responsible way than other subprime loans. CRA loans carried lower rates than other subprime loans and were less likely to end up securitized into the mortgage-backed securities that have caused so many losses, according to a recent study by the law firm Traiger & Hinckley (PDF file here).

Finally, keep in mind that the Bush administration has been weakening CRA enforcement and the law’s reach since the day it took office. The CRA was at its strongest in the 1990s, under the Clinton administration, a period when subprime loans performed quite well. It was only after the Bush administration cut back on CRA enforcement that problems arose, a timing issue which should stop those blaming the law dead in their tracks. The Federal Reserve, too, did nothing but encourage the wild west of lending in recent years. It wasn’t until the middle of 2007 that the Fed decided it was time to crack down on abusive pratices in the subprime lending market. Oops.

http://www.businessweek.com/investing/insight...
GhostofRaygun

Russellville, KY

#838449 Jan 13, 2013
DBWriter wrote:
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The term "fascism" is a twentieth century term. However, the concept of fascism is as old as dictatorship. Fascism occurs when a dictator uses the concept of nationalism to command allegiance to himself, as opposed to using the concept of authority to command that allegiance.
When such people as Napoleon commanded that everyone who loved France must love him was instituting a fascist principle.
I'd like to read that executive order.
If the law stated money will be spent on stem cell research, then the president cannot issue an executive order that violates existing law.
If a law does not state specifically that money will be used for stem cell research, but within the agency that disburses the funds they fund stem cell research, then it is within the Constitutional authority of an executive order to restrict the general distribution of money.
That would have been very easy to rectify. An executive order cannot violate any law. So, all Congress needed to do was write a specific law funding stem cell research, and no executive order would have the authority to stop it.
That's the way it works in the government of the United States.
So, please reference the law that specifically funded stem cell research, and reference the executive order that violated that law.
Text from each would be helpful.
You are a hypocrite. Bush signed 291 EOs. Most were after 9/11 and most were about spying on the American public without court orders. Were you outraged back then??????????

Since: Nov 09

Pharr, TX

#838450 Jan 13, 2013
DBWriter wrote:
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The term "fascism" is a twentieth century term. However, the concept of fascism is as old as dictatorship. Fascism occurs when a dictator uses the concept of nationalism to command allegiance to himself, as opposed to using the concept of authority to command that allegiance.
When such people as Napoleon commanded that everyone who loved France must love him was instituting a fascist principle.
I'd like to read that executive order.
If the law stated money will be spent on stem cell research, then the president cannot issue an executive order that violates existing law.
If a law does not state specifically that money will be used for stem cell research, but within the agency that disburses the funds they fund stem cell research, then it is within the Constitutional authority of an executive order to restrict the general distribution of money.
That would have been very easy to rectify. An executive order cannot violate any law. So, all Congress needed to do was write a specific law funding stem cell research, and no executive order would have the authority to stop it.
That's the way it works in the government of the United States.
So, please reference the law that specifically funded stem cell research, and reference the executive order that violated that law.
Text from each would be helpful.
In 2006 the House and Senate passed a bill to fund embryonic stem cell research but not with the two-thirds majorities required to override a veto. Bush used his "fascist" power to impose HIS will. You look up the details.
Grey Ghost

Partlow, VA

#838451 Jan 13, 2013
Death of Tenzing wrote:
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Welcome back.
Thanks, just for a couple more weeks and then I move on. Those cowards die daily and I can only imagine their pain after having their asses handed them "AGAIN".
Atmore Al

Pompano Beach, FL

#838452 Jan 13, 2013
Grey Ghost wrote:
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Thanks, just for a couple more weeks and then I move on. Those cowards die daily and I can only imagine their pain after having their asses handed them "AGAIN".
Drunken lily says to "gfy". LOL
BLOOMING IDIOTS

Nashville, NC

#838453 Jan 13, 2013
sonicfilter wrote:
The seizure of more than 700 guns and the indictments of 34 people announced on Tuesday are further confirmation that Arizona has become an iron highway for weapons into Mexico, according to federal authorities.
Many legal purchases by straw buyers at Arizona gun stores are being financed and orchestrated by Mexico's Sinaloa cartel, federal officials said.
The cases announced Tuesday involved the purchases of many AK-47s,.50-caliber rifles and other semiautomatic weapons in single-day transactions at gun stores by straw buyers paid by the cartel, U.S. Attorney for Arizona Dennis Burke said.
"This is a huge problem in this state. It is a strange phenomenon," Burke said at a news conference at the Phoenix office of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms and Explosives. "Drug cartels go shopping for their war weapons here in Arizona."
At least 17 people were arrested Tuesday in five cases involving a joint crackdown by the ATF, Immigrations and Customs Enforcement, the Internal Revenue Service and the Phoenix Police Department.
Burke said the five cases have gutted an entire firearms organization in Arizona from top to bottom, from straw buyers to organizers to financers.
Charges include making false statements on federal firearms-purchase forms, conspiracy and possession of a firearm in furtherance of a drug-trafficking offense, according to the indictment.
"Straw buyers have as much blood on their hands ... as the ones who pull the trigger," said Bill Newell, special agent in charge of the Phoenix ATF.
All of those indicted are U.S. citizens or legal residents.
The indictments reveal the relative ease with which citizens who have not been convicted of a felony can amass an arsenal of weapons.
Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/0...
red state. go figure.
Fast and Furious scandal: House panel recommends contempt vote on Eric Holder
By Sari Horwitz and Ed O’Keefe,June 20, 2012
The House Oversight and Government Reform Committee voted 23 to 17 to recommend…A congressional committee voted Wednesday to recommend that Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. be held in contempt after the Obama administration, citing executive privilege for the first time, refused to turn over documents pertaining to a botched gun-trafficking operation.

The party-line vote at a marathon session of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee intensified a feud between the Obama administration and Republican lawmakers and dealt an embarrassing blow to the nation’s highest-ranking law enforcement official.

House leaders said they will schedule a vote of the entire chamber on the matter next week unless the attorney general turns over certain documents on Operation Fast and Furious. If the full House votes to find Holder in contempt, the U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia — who is employed by the Justice Department — will have to decide whether to criminally prosecute him.

HOW COME COME Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. WAS NOT ARRESTED?THATS RIGHT HE AND OBAMA ARE ABOVE THE LAW!!!YOU ARE SO FULL OF SHIT!!!!!!!!!!
carol

Orlando, FL

#838455 Jan 13, 2013
MONTANA wrote:
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Well, it's more of a hiss than a sigh, but whatcha gonna do; it's my nature ... so, how about these intractably stupid hillbillies; you reckon they're gonna kick up much dust when the rubber meets the road, or just do what they always do: beat the old comebucket for burning the tuna casserole again, then stomp out and shoot a couple of stray dogs?
Well, to my eye the whole scenario is kinda like DB in here. He's hanging onto the Constitution for all it's worth, blissfully unaware that it ain't worth the sheep it's printed on. For Christ's sake God didn't write it. Anyways, if I know anything I know this: when southerners fight it's generally a short process. They get angry, do whatever it is they think will alleviate it (beat the wife, whatever) and then it's pretty much of a bum's rush to get back to whatever "game" they were watchin'. They are not people known for their attention span. Nor are they people who look far into the future, witness Iraq.

Probably the simplest way to handle them in a crisis is to leave crates of beer and paper money scattered around the country and then give them hints every so often as to where they might be. Keep the hints pretty general - "it's over there" - or you risk them getting bored, but pretty much all you've got to do is print boxes of money all day and they'll never make the connection. After a while they'll each have a house or trailer full of money and will kill other family members who they suspect of trying to take it. Within a month or two half of them will be dead. These are NOT strategic thinkers. "Hiss" huh? I like that.

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#838456 Jan 13, 2013
Atmore Al wrote:
<quoted text> Drunken lily says to "gfy". LOL
Looks like waxturd/goober and the kids are done watching Sunday morning cartoons. We'll have to wait until they take a nap to continue the adult conversation.

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#838457 Jan 13, 2013
BLOOMING IDIOTS wrote:
<quoted text>Fast and Furious scandal: House panel recommends contempt vote on Eric Holder
By Sari Horwitz and Ed O’Keefe,June 20, 2012
The House Oversight and Government Reform Committee voted 23 to 17 to recommend…A congressional committee voted Wednesday to recommend that Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. be held in contempt after the Obama administration, citing executive privilege for the first time, refused to turn over documents pertaining to a botched gun-trafficking operation.
The party-line vote at a marathon session of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee intensified a feud between the Obama administration and Republican lawmakers and dealt an embarrassing blow to the nation’s highest-ranking law enforcement official.
House leaders said they will schedule a vote of the entire chamber on the matter next week unless the attorney general turns over certain documents on Operation Fast and Furious. If the full House votes to find Holder in contempt, the U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia — who is employed by the Justice Department — will have to decide whether to criminally prosecute him.
HOW COME COME Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. WAS NOT ARRESTED?THATS RIGHT HE AND OBAMA ARE ABOVE THE LAW!!!YOU ARE SO FULL OF SHIT!!!!!!!!!!
Waiting to arrest those behind the first gun walking gone bad named Operation Wide Receiver. You remember,, ATF, they lost guns in Mexico. You Repubs are the most hypocritical bastards on earth.

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finding

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#838458 Jan 13, 2013
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he should have loaded it with minorities?
Susan Rice? Van Jones? Shirley Sherrod?
who all got a 'fair' shake from conservatives.
so where is Obama's choice? seems conservatives only want white folks in government. otherwise they throw a fit.
he's got to try and get out of this mess he is in.

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sonicfilter

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#838459 Jan 13, 2013
BLOOMING IDIOTS wrote:
<quoted text>Fast and Furious scandal: House panel recommends contempt vote on Eric Holder
By Sari Horwitz and Ed O’Keefe,June 20, 2012
The House Oversight and Government Reform Committee voted 23 to 17 to recommend…A congressional committee voted Wednesday to recommend that Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. be held in contempt after the Obama administration, citing executive privilege for the first time, refused to turn over documents pertaining to a botched gun-trafficking operation.
The party-line vote at a marathon session of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee intensified a feud between the Obama administration and Republican lawmakers and dealt an embarrassing blow to the nation’s highest-ranking law enforcement official.
House leaders said they will schedule a vote of the entire chamber on the matter next week unless the attorney general turns over certain documents on Operation Fast and Furious. If the full House votes to find Holder in contempt, the U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia — who is employed by the Justice Department — will have to decide whether to criminally prosecute him.
HOW COME COME Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. WAS NOT ARRESTED?THATS RIGHT HE AND OBAMA ARE ABOVE THE LAW!!!YOU ARE SO FULL OF SHIT!!!!!!!!!!
full of it? did i present an opinion? like when House Republicans issue one? that come to nothing?

your reaction is the usual nutjob deal when presented with that that they didn't want to hear. and just as amusing as usual.

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#838461 Jan 13, 2013
finding wrote:
<quoted text>he's got to try and get out of this mess he is in.
sure. shut down the House. if only an EO was possible....

that would fix most of it.

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#838462 Jan 13, 2013
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Well, to my eye the whole scenario is kinda like DB in here. He's hanging onto the Constitution for all it's worth, blissfully unaware that it ain't worth the sheep it's printed on. For Christ's sake God didn't write it. Anyways, if I know anything I know this: when southerners fight it's generally a short process. They get angry, do whatever it is they think will alleviate it (beat the wife, whatever) and then it's pretty much of a bum's rush to get back to whatever "game" they were watchin'. They are not people known for their attention span. Nor are they people who look far into the future, witness Iraq.
Probably the simplest way to handle them in a crisis is to leave crates of beer and paper money scattered around the country and then give them hints every so often as to where they might be. Keep the hints pretty general - "it's over there" - or you risk them getting bored, but pretty much all you've got to do is print boxes of money all day and they'll never make the connection. After a while they'll each have a house or trailer full of money and will kill other family members who they suspect of trying to take it. Within a month or two half of them will be dead. These are NOT strategic thinkers. "Hiss" huh? I like that.
hanging on whilst ignoring who interprets the Constitution.

and what they have to say about assault weapons is not what he wants to hear.

kinda like what they had to say about abortion.

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Indianapolis, IN

#838463 Jan 13, 2013
Glenn Beck Attempts a Laughable Make Over as a Libertarian

It took me a few days to stop laughing.

Glenn Beck is rebranding himself as–get this–the alternative to “far-right, far-left” polarized debates on cable news, dominated by people “yelling at each-other.”

“We're not going to play in that crazy space as a network," he announced earnestly.

The irony meter just died. Hypocrisy and chutzpah had a child.

....Glenn Beck used his 15 minutes of fame to cast himself as King of the Wingnuts, eventually becoming too extreme for even Roger Ailes to put up with on FoxNews.

But Glenn Beck can read the tea leaves and the ratings. He can see that Sean Hannity’s viewers are tanking post-election. Rush Limbaugh’s audience is aging out of existence and advertisers are looking elsewhere. And so the man who once described himself as a “Rodeo Clown” decided it was time for a new disguise.

....In some ways, this new guise is clarifying because it definitively answers a lingering question about Beck–is he sincere in his beliefs or was his right-wing rhetoric just showmanship, part of a business plan to appeal to an agitated audience?

It was all just an opportunistic con job. And the dupes are the folks who bought into the shtick, carrying signs at Tea Party rallies that read “Glenn Beck is my hero.”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/01...

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#838464 Jan 13, 2013
gossamer wrote:
Live in Detroit for a day. You will become racist.
you right, Blacks there are the worst Socially which is why the Detroit & surrounding area is considered the most racist city in the United States and the Book Detroit Divided even confirms it and explains why which the blacks have brought upon themselves there in Detroit which they have no desire to change socially & economically and rather be part of the entitlement society which is why I dont miss having to go work in the the Detroit on occassions.

Detroit Divided

https://www.russellsage.org/publications/detr...

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Atmore Al

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#838465 Jan 13, 2013
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Looks like waxturd/goober and the kids are done watching Sunday morning cartoons. We'll have to wait until they take a nap to continue the adult conversation.
Well, I guess that eliminates you; now you can go to Rev. Wright's church and worship Obama without missing any information for the next 20 years.

“Constitutionalis t”

Since: Dec 10

Conroe, TX

#838466 Jan 13, 2013
Death of Tenzing wrote:
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Don't know, don't care; it wasn't my day to watch him.
The Treasury.
See? Not so hard.
I believe your first answer. You don't care if Obama is just a cardboard cutout of a commercial to make it appear as if someone's actually president, when the truth is Obama isn't in charge of anything and doesn't have a clue what's happening in government. He's just a prop for dupes.

And, correct me if this is wrong, but the Treasury is 16.5 trillion dollars in debt and doesn't have any money.

So, the question remains:

Where will the money come from to pay for Obama's government?

The Treasury can't generate money and is 16.5 trillion dollars in debt. You actually have to identify a source of money.

Where will the money come from to pay for Obama's government?

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Indianapolis, IN

#838467 Jan 13, 2013
hey judge it idiot. change it up once in while. your self gratification is showing.

uber-strong personality eh?

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