lol! Yes, the "restless" people were more of the leftist... much like the American Revolution.<quoted text>
Was Von Staffenberg and the REAL opposition to the nazis socialists? WHat about the White Rose student movement?
Facts are very simple, the leftists in Germany at that entire period (before the war of course) were just as oppressive as the nazis and their takeover would probably have been the Sovjet state model. Also, who staged coups after WW1 and BEFORE the nazis. It wasn't "conservatives"...
The fact that Von Papen was conservative doesn't make a difference. At that time the nazis were not in power and later on he was politically castrated and the conservatives were quiet. After all, they had seen what the nazis had done to socialists already.
So, yes, the nazis were a typical leftist model. Their SA were essentially unemployed people of mostly worker background. They could have joined the communists. As a matter of fact, many prominent nazis had leftist background before 1932...
Sorry, I didn't mean to argue with you. I never do with liberals, because you will NEVER change your mind and neither will I (based upon what YOU say). It is more fruitful to inform like-minded than fight stalemates..
Von Pappen would be more along the lines of a compromiser. Then again, he was also an opportunist. Which is why he would be caught in the middle. But the conservatives liked Hitler.... at first anyway. Their problem was they thought they could control him.... you know, the way industrialists usually think.
But were the nazis leftist? Hmmmmmm...... when one looks at the political parties they enslaved and the rise of totalitarian power in the civilian and military fronts, the rise of industry and the flow of cash, it's hard to make that case. If the case you're making about the SA is because the nazis offered work, then once again you support the position of the industrialists!
I'm not sure what you mean by "prominent" nazis. From an ideological standpoint, I just don't see it. After all, most of the pomp and circumstance they created came during Hitler's rise.
Don't worry about arguing. History usually makes my case for me with conservatives trying to "explain" their facts against it. And it's not so much that I prefer to "preach to the choir." I have been wrong before (ex... Germany was already losing the war when Normandy occurred). So as far as I'm concerned, it's an open book for perusal and not a speed reader.
The biggest difference in your statement from what I can see is you prefer to base your history on politics. And that's fine. Everyone does to some extent.