Barack Obama, our next President

[killtaker]

krissy wrote:

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How will taking the property of someone in Kansas ensure you are 100 percent safe in California?

[THE DEBIL]

SAY, UM, YOU EVER WONDER WHY THEY CALL IT A VENUS FLYTRAP?

[John Galt]

krissy wrote:

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The United States stands truly alone in the developed world for its lax gun laws, which have contributed to Americans owning guns at a far higher rate than anyone else. The National Rifle Association, in its pushback against calls for gun restrictions after the Sandy Hook Elementary mass shooting, has portrayed things somewhat differently. NRA chief Wayne LaPierre has drawn comparisons to Israel, saying that the U.S. should follow Israel’s example of loose gun laws and of responding to mass shooting by posting armed guards at schools.
LaPierre echoes a number of commentators who oppose gun restrictions and cite Israel as an ideal example. The argument goes like this: Israel has lots of guns and lower rates of gun violence, so clearly the problem with America is not our guns but something else.
The only problem is that Israel actually has quite strong gun restrictions and very low gun ownership rates, some of the lowest in the developed world. This confusion has gotten so bad that even Israeli government officials are now chiming in to knock back the claims, though the NRA is seen as a close ally of the U.S. Republican party, which positions itself as strongly backing Israel.
LaPierre appeared to take his Israel-model advocacy a step too far when he declared on Meet the Press this weekend,“Israel had a whole lot of school shootings, until they did one thing. They said we’re going to stop it and they put armed security in every school and they have not had a problem since then.”
A spokesperson for the Israeli Foreign Ministry told the New York Daily News that this was simply wrong.“We didn’t have a series of school shootings, and they had nothing to do with the issue at hand in the United States. We had to deal with terrorism,” he said.“What removed the danger was not the armed guards but an overall anti-terror policy and anti-terror operations which brought street terrorism down to nearly zero over a number of years.” The spokesperson added,“It would be better not to drag Israel into what is an internal American discussion.”
Israeli guns laws, it turns out, are much stricter than America’s gun laws. This may help explain why Israeli gun ownership is just one thirteenth of what it is in the U.S. To bring that number into focus, it would likely be even lower if not for mandatory military service, which means Israelis are more likely to be familiar with guns. Israel’s unique security challenges and its periodic bouts with terrorism would also seem to bolster an NRA-style case for allowing more privately owned guns so that more citizens can defend themselves. And yet, there are far fewer guns in private citizens’ hands, and far less gun crime.
So why does Israel look more like gun-controlling Britain than gun-loving American? Why are Israel and the U.S. near opposite extremes among Western nations when it comes to gun laws? As American scholar Janet Rosenbaum put it in an article for ForeignPolicy.com ,“Israel has well-known security concerns, but it limits security to the professionals.” Whereas Americans laws privilege free access to guns and then restrict them from there, Israeli laws, Rosenbaum writes,“are designed to keep amateurs from carrying guns in the street — even amateurs who have served 3 years in the army.
Israel limits gun ownership to security workers, people who transport valuables or explosives, residents of the West Bank, and hunters. People who don’t fall into one of those categories cannot obtain a firearm permit. Moreover, Israel rejects 40 percent of firearm permit applicants, the highest rejection rate in the Western world. Both Switzerland and Israel require yearly (or more frequent) permit renewals to insure that the reasons are still applicable.

Move to Israel if you prefer their gun laws.

The Second Amendment is not about hunting.

[THE DEBIL]

carol wrote:

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Don't think Krauthammer's analysis was meant to be complimentary.
..."ruthless skill"..."fracture and shatter"..."break the will"..."create an internal civil war"..."create a crisis"...
Presidents usually "bring together"..."find common ground"..."lead by actions, not words"..."preserve, protect and defend the Constitution"...etc.

OH, BABY! I KNOWED ONCE I LAID OL' PETER OUT THERE I'D ATTRACT YOU ATTENTION. IT LIKE A BIG BROWN BASS LURE AIN'T IT? YOU CAIN'T HE'P YOUSELF...

[carol]

Mistakingly cut instead of copied this part of sonic's post - Krauthammer's scathing analysis of Obama...

"He's been using this -- and I must say with great skill, and ruthless skill, and success -- to fracture and basically shatter the Republican opposition. The only redoubt of the opposition is the House. And his objective from the very beginning was to break the will of the Republicans in the House, and to create an internal civil war, and he's done that. How did he do it? By always insisting from day one after the election that Republicans had to raise rates ... he did that because he knew it would create a crisis among Republicans, and it did."

...sonic thought it was complimentary.

[John Galt]

killtaker wrote:

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How will taking the property of someone in Kansas ensure you are 100 percent safe in California?

Euthanizing all criminals and the mentally ill would be far more effective than gun control. Start at birth with genetic markers to identify future criminals. If the left really wants safety above human rights and individual liberty, let them step up to the plate.

[THE DEBIL]

I FORGIVE YOU, CAROL. NOW KNEEL DOWN AN' OPEN YOU MOUTH...

[John Galt]

carol wrote:

Mistakingly cut instead of copied this part of sonic's post - Krauthammer's scathing analysis of Obama...
"He's been using this -- and I must say with great skill, and ruthless skill, and success -- to fracture and basically shatter the Republican opposition. The only redoubt of the opposition is the House. And his objective from the very beginning was to break the will of the Republicans in the House, and to create an internal civil war, and he's done that. How did he do it? By always insisting from day one after the election that Republicans had to raise rates ... he did that because he knew it would create a crisis among Republicans, and it did."
...sonic thought it was complimentary.

Just be careful not to feed the chimp.

[THE DEBIL]

killtaker wrote:

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I work like hell so that I can have the finer things in life...
...and I can defend what I have...
You? You are, at best, a 95 IQ minority...babbling on here, not making a lick of sense! You are comic relief for people on the crapper...
At your highest you are insignificant. Thats why you talk big in here...because in the scheme of life you are quite little...
As for me? I will not be denied my destiny...you already flushed yours down the toilet...

UH-HUH. "THE FINER THINGS IN LIFE." UM, SURE. I GET TIRED OF SPLAININ' THIS STUFF TO THE LIKES OF YOU. I GO TO THE WHITE HOUSE EVERY YEAR FO' DINNER. I GOT THE SPENSIVE SHOES, THE BESPOKE CLOTHES, I KNOW THE RIGHT WINES, AN' I PRETTY GOOD AT CONVERSATION. I'VE SLEPT WITH THE MOST BEAUTIFUL WOMEN IN THE WORLD, DESIGNED STORES ON PARK AVENUE, IN EUROPE. WHAT YOU DONE THAT I AIN'T DONE? WHO YOU THINK YOU ARE TALKIN' TO YOU BETTERS IN THIS WAY? YOU CONFUSED. I'M NOT YOU, CLOWN. THE "FINER" THINGS IN YOU LIFE ARE BARELY NOTICEABLE IN MINE. DON' GET ALL PISSY WITH ME CAUSE I'M ALL THAT YOU NEVER WILL BE. WANNA SEE ME AN' MICHELLE DANCIN'? WELL DO YA, PUNK? YOUR LIFE IS THE TOILET AN' MINE IS ABOUT PISSIN' ON YOU. DON'T YOU PAY ATTENTION? YOU THINK I'M KIDDIN' DON' YOU? HAHAHAHAHA..

[Yeah]

carol wrote:

Mistakingly cut instead of copied this part of sonic's post - Krauthammer's scathing analysis of Obama...
"He's been using this -- and I must say with great skill, and ruthless skill, and success -- to fracture and basically shatter the Republican opposition. The only redoubt of the opposition is the House. And his objective from the very beginning was to break the will of the Republicans in the House, and to create an internal civil war, and he's done that. How did he do it? By always insisting from day one after the election that Republicans had to raise rates ... he did that because he knew it would create a crisis among Republicans, and it did."
...sonic thought it was complimentary.

lol! No one should be giving credit to Obama for "...fracturing(sic) and basically shattering(sic) the Republican opposition..."

Cons are doing it to themselves all by themselves.

Personally, I just sit back and watch and enjoy the comedy they provide!

[Yeah]

John Galt wrote:

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Euthanizing all criminals and the mentally ill would be far more effective than gun control. Start at birth with genetic markers to identify future criminals. If the left really wants safety above human rights and individual liberty, let them step up to the plate.

lol! Ah! Finally someone who reverts back to his nazi roots!

[THE DEBIL]

YOU MORONS. WHEN I SAY I'M GONNA TAKE YOUR GUNS I MEAN "I'M" GONNA TAKE YOUR GUNS. I GOT FOUR MORE YEARS TO DO IT.

[Yeah]

shinningelectr0n wrote:

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Spain didn't attack us either until William Randolph Hearst opened his big mouth and Joseph Pulitzer jumped in.

So.... why did bushie attack and invade iraq again?

[John Galt]

Yeah wrote:

<quoted text>lol! Ah! Finally someone who reverts back to his nazi roots!

Brings out idiots like you who are too stupid to recognize sarcasm.

F*ck off, dipshit.

[Smooth sailing]

THE DEBIL wrote:

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AND HOW WOULD I KNOW THIS? JANE'S STINKY VAGINA IS A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD, TO COMMENT ON ANYONE ELSE'S WOULD BE MERE CONJECTURE ON MY PART. WHY, YOU MIGHT AS WELL ASK ME WHAT YOUR ASS SMELLS LIKE? THOUGH I HAVE WAYS OF FINDING OUT....

I have reported your abusive hate language. I am not surprised at the vulgar spew coming from Wash. DC. It is the armpit of the Nation along with Chicago and Detroit. Highest crime rates and lowest IQ per capita.

[Smooth sailing]

THE DEBIL wrote:

YOU MORONS. WHEN I SAY I'M GONNA TAKE YOUR GUNS I MEAN "I'M" GONNA TAKE YOUR GUNS. I GOT FOUR MORE YEARS TO DO IT.

Make my day.

[Smooth sailing]

THE DEBIL wrote:

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? NO,IT'S NOT LOADED? YEAH, SURE, I GOT AN HOUR OR TWO. SHOW ME WHAT YOU GOT, CRACKER? THEN I SHOW YOU WHAT I GOT. G'HEAD.PUT IT OUT ON THE TABLE. THEN I PUT MINE ALONGSIDE AN' WE LET THEM JUDGE. TINY. BOTTOM LINE IS, YOU 5" LOOK PRETTY INCONSEQUENTIAL NEXT TO MY 11". I TWICE THE MAN YOU ARE.

Racist. Hate monger. IQ 66.

[Patriot]

Obama Orders Pay Raise for Biden, Members of Congress, Federal Workers

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-ord...

[PDUPONT]

Jimmy wrote:

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No more of an idiot than you are Dupont. I don't have to be out of my house by 5AM to go to your crapy job, loser. Who's the idiot?
LOL!
Besides, you have it bass ackwards as usual (to make your lame point). Out of the millions of guns owned domestically in the USA, a very small percentage are used to kill people. Guns were also designed to "protect" people or for sport/hunting/target shooting, which is what "all" law abiding people use them for.
That bit of common sense is foreign to a loon like you, idiot.
Have fun at your crappy job next week. Change a toilet for me, will ya, dummy.

Who says my job is crappy Jimmy? You don't know anything about what I do, you're just making baseless assumptions.
We're not talking about all guns Jimmy, we're talking about weapons that are specifically designed to kill people. I've hunted and I've known a lot of other people that hunt and none of them need a 30 round clip to get a deer. Contrary to what guns are seldom used in self defense.
I'm not a plumber nitwit, change your own damn toilet.

[PDUPONT]

Jimmy wrote:

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Somebody shut this skitzoid up! He's losing it!

Really dumbass? How are they going to do that? Why should they, because you don't like what I'm saying? This is an open forum idiot it's not just an echo chamber for right wing whack jobs like you.