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Lily Boca Raton Fl

Boca Raton, FL

#823493 Dec 16, 2012
carol wrote:
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The Oregon shooter apparently stole the rifle.
The Connecticut shooter apparently took his mother's guns.
Where do criminals and gang members get guns?
Many are stolen from peoples homes. Two police officers in Miami were arrested for selling illegal guns; 600 guns, they were a married couple.
Anything for a buck
John Galt

Temecula, CA

#823494 Dec 16, 2012
Tenzing wrote:
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Romney got more votes than McCain.
A fiscally conservative party that avoids issues like religion, abortion, sexual preference, and marriage would do better. None of these issues belong in the political forum. Avoiding these issues would leave the Democrats with little to talk about.
John Galt

Temecula, CA

#823495 Dec 16, 2012
carol wrote:
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There's blood on all our hands. It goes much deeper than politics, but the tone has to stop by all on both sides.
But we've simply stopped caring about our children. They are all our future. Not politicians.
You are talking ridiculous stuff when you accuse others of having "blood on their hands" because of the actions of a lunatic.

If you feel responsible, do what you feel is necessary.
Fenris the Big Bad Wolf

United States

#823496 Dec 16, 2012
Lily Boca Raton Fl wrote:
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That boy committed mass murder with his mothers guns.
Its already been conceded here that the Mother was an irresponsible gun owner, and that a lot of people (including her) paid with their lives at the hands of yet another video game-addicted, goth freak.
John Galt

Temecula, CA

#823497 Dec 16, 2012
carol wrote:
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If we had any common sense left, we would have stopped this kind of harmful speech a long time ago. It surpasses freedom of speech like yelling fire. It hurts people.
Who decides what is "harmful speech"?

You?

Get a grip on yourself, woman. Go to church and pray if that makes you feel better.
John Galt

Temecula, CA

#823498 Dec 16, 2012
Lily Boca Raton Fl wrote:
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That boy committed mass murder with his mothers guns.
One problem is referring to a 20-year old as a boy.

Teenagers who commit violent crimes should be treated as adults.
Fenris the Big Bad Wolf

United States

#823499 Dec 16, 2012
carol wrote:
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There's blood on all our hands. It goes much deeper than politics, but the tone has to stop by all on both sides.
But we've simply stopped caring about our children. They are all our future. Not politicians.
AGAIN: its already been conceded here that the Mother was an irresponsible gun owner, and that a lot of people (including her) paid with their lives at the hands of yet another video game-addicted, goth freak.

I've never shot a human being in my life; how is there "blood on my hands"?
carol

Orlando, FL

#823500 Dec 16, 2012
Republican Honey wrote:
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1) Liberalism creates a feedback loop. It is usually impossible for a non-liberal to change a liberal's mind about political issues because liberalism works like so: only liberals are credible sources of information. How do you know someone's liberal? He espouses liberal doctrine. So, no matter how plausible what you say may be, it will be ignored if you're not a liberal and if you are a liberal, of course, you probably agree with liberal views.
2) Liberals sources of information are ever present. Conservatives are regularly exposed to the liberal viewpoint whether they want to be or not. That's not necessarily so for liberals. Imagine the average day for liberals. They get up and read their local newspaper. It has a liberal viewpoint. They take their kids to school, where the teachers are liberal. Then they go to work, listen to NPR which has a liberal viewpoint on the way home, and then turn on the nightly news which also skews leftward. From there, they turn on TV and watch shows created by liberals that lean to the left, if they have any political viewpoint at all. Unless liberals actively seek out conservative viewpoints, which is unlikely, the only conservative arguments they're probably going to hear are going to be through the heavily distorted, poorly translated, deeply skeptical lens of other liberals.
http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/20 ...
Bernie Goldberg, a former main stream media journalist, said the liberal media believes itself to be the norm. The second thing you said is more accurate than not. Many people who criticize Fox also admit to never having watched it or only watch for five minutes.

I used to watch MSNBC all the time. They used to discuss the issues and Scarborough used to be the conservative voice.

But then they started finding fault with everyone who doesn't agree with them.

Fox has regular democrat contributors all the time. Juan Williams sat in for O'Reilly numerous times. Geraldo Rivera, a democrat, and has his own show. Stossel, a libertarian, has his own show.

Kind of ironic they are the most versatile but yet the most criticized.
John Galt

Temecula, CA

#823501 Dec 16, 2012
Fenris the Big Bad Wolf wrote:
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AGAIN: its already been conceded here that the Mother was an irresponsible gun owner, and that a lot of people (including her) paid with their lives at the hands of yet another video game-addicted, goth freak.
I've never shot a human being in my life; how is there "blood on my hands"?
Assumes facts not in evidence. The guns may have been locked up and secured from reckless use by children, but it is impossible to stop a determined adult.

The mother may have been irresponsible for ignoring her son's behavior, but again assumes facts not in evidence.
Lincoln Duncan

United States

#823502 Dec 16, 2012
John Galt wrote:
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A fiscally conservative party that avoids issues like religion, abortion, sexual preference, and marriage would do better. None of these issues belong in the political forum. Avoiding these issues would leave the Democrats with little to talk about.
Libertarians had a 3rd party candidate this year.
Republicans are party of the abortion issue, abortion issue voters... often first last and always. Also anti gay...
You might do better in the Libertarian party,... just saying
carol

Orlando, FL

#823503 Dec 16, 2012
Fenris the Big Bad Wolf wrote:
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AGAIN: its already been conceded here that the Mother was an irresponsible gun owner, and that a lot of people (including her) paid with their lives at the hands of yet another video game-addicted, goth freak.
I've never shot a human being in my life; how is there "blood on my hands"?
The guns didn't commit the crime. A disturbed young man did.

The question is why did two young people in the same week commit such atrocious acts of violence? Or the movie theater killer? Or the Columbine killers? Or the killer who shot into a crowd where a congresswoman was hit?

The question is why they did it. Not how they did it.
Lincoln Duncan

United States

#823504 Dec 16, 2012
carol wrote:
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There's blood on all our hands. It goes much deeper than politics, but the tone has to stop by all on both sides.
But we've simply stopped caring about our children. They are all our future. Not politicians.
the blood is on the hands of the pr i ck with the assault rifle shooting each child three times.

i can defend my home with a pistol, second amendment right. No one needs an assault rifle.
Lily Boca Raton Fl

Boca Raton, FL

#823505 Dec 16, 2012
carol wrote:
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If we had any common sense left, we would have stopped this kind of harmful speech a long time ago. It surpasses freedom of speech like yelling fire. It hurts people.
The Christian community should totally renounce this sick group
devin_heiburgh

Blanchard, OK

#823506 Dec 16, 2012
Tenzing wrote:
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You read crap like townhall.com so you yourself are caught in a right-wing feedback loop.
Y'all crack me up.
Are you Jewish?
Lincoln Duncan

United States

#823507 Dec 16, 2012
John Galt wrote:
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Assumes facts not in evidence. The guns may have been locked up and secured from reckless use by children, but it is impossible to stop a determined adult.
The mother may have been irresponsible for ignoring her son's behavior, but again assumes facts not in evidence.
He needed an assault rifle to commit this crime. I am not for taking guns away from citizens .... assault rifles should be out of bounds
Fenris the Big Bad Wolf

United States

#823508 Dec 16, 2012
John Galt wrote:
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Assumes facts not in evidence. The guns may have been locked up and secured from reckless use by children, but it is impossible to stop a determined adult.
The mother may have been irresponsible for ignoring her son's behavior, but again assumes facts not in evidence.
No, I'm sorry; you are having an issue with semantics here. "Secure" is defined as "free from or not exposed to danger or harm". If the criminal retrieved those weapons (doesnt matter how), they were definitely not "secure" at all (and she is legally the culpable party as their owner).........
Lily Boca Raton Fl

Boca Raton, FL

#823509 Dec 16, 2012
John Galt wrote:
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One problem is referring to a 20-year old as a boy.
Teenagers who commit violent crimes should be treated as adults.
Well, he's dead so it's a moot point. Many parents have autistic and aspergers children, doesn't mean that they are all potential killers.
Something happened, who knows if it will be revealed.
carol

Orlando, FL

#823510 Dec 16, 2012
John Galt wrote:
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Who decides what is "harmful speech"?
You?
Get a grip on yourself, woman. Go to church and pray if that makes you feel better.
Causing undo and unnecessary duress on grieving parents and families is harmful.

Yell fire in a crowded theater and see what happens. That, too, creates undo and unnecessary duress. It, too, is harmful.

It is also illegal.

Common sense dictates "harmful speech". Complacency allows it.
Lily Boca Raton Fl

Boca Raton, FL

#823511 Dec 16, 2012
Fenris the Big Bad Wolf wrote:
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No, I'm sorry; you are having an issue with semantics here. "Secure" is defined as "free from or not exposed to danger or harm". If the criminal retrieved those weapons (doesnt matter how), they were definitely not "secure" at all (and she is legally the culpable party as their owner).........
She's dead
Fenris the Big Bad Wolf

United States

#823512 Dec 16, 2012
carol wrote:
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The guns didn't commit the crime. A disturbed young man did.
The question is why did two young people in the same week commit such atrocious acts of violence? Or the movie theater killer? Or the Columbine killers? Or the killer who shot into a crowd where a congresswoman was hit?
The question is why they did it. Not how they did it.
In actuality, both how and why are VERY valid questions. We already have gun laws on the books prohibiting disturbed people from having access to firearms. That is why the investigation is ongoing.

You also didnt answer how you stretched your argument to include me and everyone else in the "culapablity" column. As I said, I've never committed a gun crime, and I wont accept any of the blame for the activity of a small group of deviant freaks....

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