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Nostrils Henry Waxman

Windsor, CT

#822725 Dec 15, 2012
Nuculur option wrote:
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Sue. And all the nitwits who talked of '2nd amendment solutions' in 2010 are just peace loving Republiclowns, right??
They taught our children thaa it's ok to threaten politicians they disagree with by speaking of shooting them.
Fact is, it's the right that has turned America inoa gun culture.
Or are you suggesting that the NRA s a liberal institution??
Never saw a liberal ask for more lax gun laws. But th NRA does it daily.
After all, it's the NRA that insists we all need guns, whle you stupidly blame anti-gun types.
Waxballs is the most ignorant, dumb POS on this thread. With his stupid stories about make believe children and success he's never had in life, he's a troll o the worst sort.
"Fact is, it's the right that has turned America inoa gun culture."

"Fact is, it's the right that has turned America inoa gun culture."

"Fact is, it's the right that has turned America inoa gun culture."

??????????

Better go tell your buddy/Democrat Old Raider. He's the only GUN NUT and killer on the thread.

Keep lying arswhole.

I'll stick to facts, thank you.

Since: Dec 10

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#822726 Dec 15, 2012
Redguy wrote:
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How much are we spending putting people away for non violent offenses? Is it at all logical to convict and lock up people who are delinquent in their child support payments? We ended debtor prisons decades ago. What kind of sense does it make to prosecute someone who shoplifts a candy bar on the 3 strikes rule? The system is screwed up 6 ways to Sunday and needs a complete review and revamp.
Agree and add prohibitions against drugs, prostitution, and gambling. Both sides want the government to be Mommy and Daddy.
Realtime

Deltona, FL

#822727 Dec 15, 2012
Chicagoan by Birth wrote:
<quoted text>Good, they caught 2% which means a myriad stayed off while being tested....
Bullshyte, Florida's welfare testing program has already been declared unconstitutional and shut down with all money's refunded. It was a stupid political stunt that had recently jobless and hurting folks standing in lines to pee in a cup while the long term welfare folks were exempt.

Since: Dec 10

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#822728 Dec 15, 2012
lily boca raton fl wrote:
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It's hard to compare a mostly lawful obedient society such as Switzerland to the U.S.; also I think that there are provisions that they have to be unloaded and locked up. Nevertheless, mass shootings have happened and mental illness has no borders.
Mass shooting reveals dark side of Swiss society
By Peter Schwarz
9 October 2001
Just after 10am on September 28, Friedrich Leibacher made his way into the parliament building of the Swiss canton of Zug and unleashed a bloodbath. In total, 14 people were shot dead. Three of the seven members of the local Zug government were killed, and another was seriously wounded. Eleven of the 80 members of the canton council were shot dead and numerous others wounded. Two journalists were also badly injured.
The 57-year-old Leibacher entered the lakeside government building dressed in an army jacket bearing a “Police” insignia. Apart from a combat rifle, he was also armed with an SIG-Sauer pistol, as well as Remington and Smith & Wesson revolvers. He ran up the stairs to the council chamber and cried,“Attention! This is a police operation”. He then shot three people standing in front of the room before bursting into the chamber, where he opened fire for about four minutes, shooting deputies, government members and journalists, cursing them the whole time. He fired over 90 shots in all.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/oct2001/swi...
Was not aware of this however, remember the guy in Japan that went into the school and killed a bunch of people with a knife? Happened in the 90's if you want to look for it.
TheIndependentMa jority

Somerset, KY

#822729 Dec 15, 2012
dr dem wrote:
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You know why it would be more severe?
Because if you were killing people in a car you'd be drug and alcohol tested.
And if we tested hunters for alcohol, every fkn one of them would lose their hunting license.
At least they aren't tooling aorund the roads that everyone travels on in that kind of shape.

Moron.

Since: Dec 10

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#822730 Dec 15, 2012
Nuculur option wrote:
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Horse doovers!!
The problem is violence in our society. Look at some of the comments here. You've got people calling for more guns to fend off other guns.
Next they'll call for arming children for them to self protect!!
Guns don't kill people.
People with guns kill people.
So long as we have people who believe you need a gun to protect yourself, we'll have mass killings. How better to protect yourself than going on offense and killing those you feel wronged you??
After all, these guns were registered to his mother. How good did they protect her??
That's what these nitwits don't understand. They have no idea how easy it is for someone to get ahold of their guns.
Example: they think they are always in control of their weapons. That's only true for the wheelchair bound shut-ins like Nobraina.
Those who work, or leave the house to go for dinnr, shopping, etc., leave their guns at home, ready to be taken. They may carry one with them, but I doubt any of these types own only one gun.
This insane belief that the ony way to avoid gun violence is to arm the population is the cause for this.
It is the stupidest form of illogical thought I've seen.
It's like the Zimmermn story. A coward who made himself feel brave by becoming an unauthorized block watch idiot. Then he followed Trayvon and got into a fight, he wasn't man enough to take a beating, he had to pull a gun.
That's the natue of these nitwits. Just look at the comments from Fenris the Coward or Romey-Ryan2012 to see how sick the right wingnuts are.
That's not a common belief in Norway but they had Anders Breivik. Its also only the belief of a fringe minority in this country.
Nostrils Henry Waxman

Windsor, CT

#822731 Dec 15, 2012
I hate to put a rain on your devious politicization of the killing of children liberal DEMOCRATS, but...

The problem is we have people who are mentally ill. Maybe that should be addressed and raise red flags. I think we may find, as with the batman shooter, there were signs this kid was deranged.

I know you just use terrible events to further your politics, but maybe we should actually try to do something helpful.

It seems more and more young adults are committing these crimes.

All you "government solve all" Democrats do is blame others. It's no wonder our government is broken.
Redguy

Palatka, FL

#822732 Dec 15, 2012
Nostrils Henry Waxman wrote:
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You forgot to tell us the cow jumped over the moon, libtard.
"libtard?" Have I threatened your sensibilities with logic? Poor fella.
I see that you are having some difficulty being pertinent and objective. You accuse blacks of being violent - but the recent shooting had nothing to do with race, and the socio-economic factors that have increased violence in the cities are not (solely) the doing of one party or another. You say that it is the democrats of the cities that are the cause of the problems, yet (regardless of what you might believe) because of campaign finance laws and the popularity contests we call elections, both Democrat and Republican politicians have been staunch defenders of the firearms manufacturers, dealers and private sellers. I contend that drive-by shooters and armed robbers have little or no interests in politics whatsoever - prove me wrong. You accuse me of making emotional arguments against guns - and while it is certainly emotional arguments that lead to most gun deaths, I personally hold no opposition to responsible and reasonable gun ownership, nor have I voiced any.

Since: Dec 10

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#822733 Dec 15, 2012
Nostrils Henry Waxman wrote:
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His parents were big Union Democrats too.
Must be Bush's fault.
Still trying huh?

Anybody with an ounce of intelligence would have posted the news piece revealing this nugget by know. You don't happen to have any friends with an ounce of intelligence do you? Do you have any friends at all?
RUSH10ME

Urbanna, VA

#822734 Dec 15, 2012
Tenzing wrote:
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Was not aware of this however, remember the guy in Japan that went into the school and killed a bunch of people with a knife? Happened in the 90's if you want to look for it.
Same thing happened last week.
Redguy

Palatka, FL

#822735 Dec 15, 2012
Tenzing wrote:
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There were two major waves of de-institutionalism: once in the 50's then again in the 70's. Charles Whitman's UT tower shooting is the first such incidence I can think of and that was in the mid-60's.
Whitman had a fast growing brain tumor. There was nothing before that onset which could indicate aberrant behavior because there wasn't any.

Since: Nov 09

Pharr, TX

#822736 Dec 15, 2012
sonicfilter wrote:
Does the NRA Represent Gun Manufacturers or Gun Owners?
Over the last four years, Congress and the Obama administration have only enacted laws that have deregulated gun use in America. It’s no secret why. As pundits love to note, the gun lobby is incredibly influential. But as we consider the potential for reform in the wake of the tragedy today, one of the first questions we should ask this time is: who does the gun lobby really represent?
The National Rifle Association portrays itself as an organization that represents “4 million members” who simply love the Second Amendment. The truth is much more murky.
In reality, the NRA is composed of half a dozen legal entities; some designed to run undisclosed attack ads in political campaigns, others to lobby and collect tens of millions in undisclosed, tax-deductible sums. This power has only been enhanced in the era of Citizens United, with large GOP donors in the last election reportedly funneling money to the NRA simply to use the group as a brand to pummel Democrats with nasty ads.(As The Huffington Post’s Peter Stone reported, even the Koch network now provides an undisclosed amount to the NRA.)
Despite the grassroots façade, there is much evidence to suggest that corporations that profit from unregulated gun use are propping up the NRA’s activities, much like how the tobacco lobby secretly funded “Smokers Rights’” fronts and libertarian anti-tax groups, or how polluters currently finance much of the climate change skepticism movement.
In a “special thanks” to their donors, the National Rifle Association Foundation lists Bushmaster Firearms Inc., the company that makes the assault rifle allegedly used by the shooter responsible for the mass murder today in Newtown, Connecticut. How much Bushmaster Firearms Inc. contributes is left unsaid.
The Violence Policy Center has estimated that since 2005, gun manufacturers have contributed up to $38.9 million to the NRA. Those numbers, however, are based on publicly listed “sponsorship” levels on NRA fundraising pamphlets. The real figures could be much bigger. Like Crossroads GPS or Americans for Prosperity, or the Sierra Club for that matter, the NRA does not disclose any donor information even though it spends millions on federal elections.
And like other industry fronts, the NRA is quick to conceal its pro–gun industry policy positions as ideological commitments.
Take, for example,“The NRA Civil Rights Defense Fund.” It’s a pro–gun rights legal fund “involved in court cases establishing legal precedents in favor of gun owners.”
And who helps pick which impact-litigation cases the NRA will become involved with? Folks like James W. Porter II, a board member of the NRA Civil Rights Defense Fund, who doubles as an attorney whose private firm specializes in “areas of products liability defense of firearms manufacturers.” His last client, according to a search of the federal court docket, was Smith & Wesson Corporation.
Is the NRA working for casual gun-owners, many of whom, according to polling, support tougher restrictions on gun ownership— or is the NRA serving the gunmaker lobby— which is purely interested in policies that will promote greater gun sales and more profits? Any gun control policy debate should begin with this question.
http://www.thenation.com/blog/171776/does-nra... #
The NRA is nothing more than a tool that wealthy Republicans use to generate votes to protect their money. As I have pointed out many times here, gun owners never lost ONE gun right under Obama but the NRA attacked him as if he had molested their daughter.

Since: Dec 10

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#822737 Dec 15, 2012
Nostrils Henry Waxman wrote:
I hate to put a rain on your devious politicization of the killing of children liberal DEMOCRATS, but...
The problem is we have people who are mentally ill. Maybe that should be addressed and raise red flags. I think we may find, as with the batman shooter, there were signs this kid was deranged.
I know you just use terrible events to further your politics, but maybe we should actually try to do something helpful.
It seems more and more young adults are committing these crimes.
All you "government solve all" Democrats do is blame others. It's no wonder our government is broken.
You rightwingers are every bit as "government solve all" as "liberals" are, you only have this amazing knack for fooling yourselves and making excuses for your own desire for a Daddy State.

In your reply you might want to include your opinions on such issues as abortion, illegal drugs, prostitution, gambling, immigration, the Bush/Obama wars and so on. Then reflect on whether your particular opinion involves a government solution. Who do you propose address and raise the red flags you mention?
lily boca raton fl

Boca Raton, FL

#822738 Dec 15, 2012
Tenzing wrote:
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There were two major waves of de-institutionalism: once in the 50's then again in the 70's. Charles Whitman's UT tower shooting is the first such incidence I can think of and that was in the mid-60's.
I have mixed feelings about institutionalizing the mentally ill.
The thought of them sitting there vegetating for their entire lives being pumped up with psychotropic drugs seems hideous.
Seeing them roam around aimlessly, homeless and abandoned is equally so. Perhaps we should hand out cyanide pills, I mean: they shoot horses, don't they?
Redguy

Palatka, FL

#822739 Dec 15, 2012
Nostrils Henry Waxman wrote:
Redguy/Commieguy -
In the UK, they started off restricting firearms in 1968 and successively added tighter restriction to the point they now even go after Air Guns.
Don't give us your total jive & bunk. How's the weather on the Moon, lefty?
And don't twist my words, lying Democrat.
Aww.. Did I twist your tail, son?
This isn't the UK, but since you brought it up - how's their gun related death stats? According to one chart ours is about 9 per 100,000, Canada's is 4.78 and the UK is .22 Hmm. I guess you have a point, after all.

BTW, I'm not a Democrat.
lily boca raton fl

Boca Raton, FL

#822740 Dec 15, 2012
Tenzing wrote:
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Ok once more for the insanely stupid:
The proposed law was identical to existing law except for a minor provision that opened the door to banning abortion entirely.
This has been explained to you repeatedly so you're either a liar or suffering dementia.
BTW, I'm sure you meant "pro-life" which in itself is as retarded as "pro-abortion", and you whine about "lying and divisiveness".
Here's a thought: you stated earlier that Obama didn't have respect for life in the womb, another divisive lie y'all like to flog. The issue isn't that anybody is "pro-abortion", they are pro-choice and their entire argument is framed this way. Y'all lie and twist it to suit your own authoritarian purposes, you want the government to impose your "morals". Saying a pro-choicer doesn't respect life in the womb is identical to saying pro-gun folks have no respect for any human life because people die sometimes as the result of the availability of guns.
Get it?
And the wind was called Mariah!
carol

Orlando, FL

#822741 Dec 15, 2012
Tenzing wrote:
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Ok once more for the insanely stupid:
The proposed law was identical to existing law except for a minor provision that opened the door to banning abortion entirely.
This has been explained to you repeatedly so you're either a liar or suffering dementia.
BTW, I'm sure you meant "pro-life" which in itself is as retarded as "pro-abortion", and you whine about "lying and divisiveness".
Here's a thought: you stated earlier that Obama didn't have respect for life in the womb, another divisive lie y'all like to flog. The issue isn't that anybody is "pro-abortion", they are pro-choice and their entire argument is framed this way. Y'all lie and twist it to suit your own authoritarian purposes, you want the government to impose your "morals". Saying a pro-choicer doesn't respect life in the womb is identical to saying pro-gun folks have no respect for any human life because people die sometimes as the result of the availability of guns.
Get it?
You are not disspelling Senator Obama's voting record in the Illinois Senate, neither the reality of being pro-choice.

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#822742 Dec 15, 2012
Redguy wrote:
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Whitman had a fast growing brain tumor. There was nothing before that onset which could indicate aberrant behavior because there wasn't any.
You're not going to completely eliminate bad things. The point was that before de-institutionalization this sort of thing didn't happen as far as I know.
FDR

Prague, Czech Republic

#822743 Dec 15, 2012
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#822744 Dec 15, 2012
lily boca raton fl wrote:
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I have mixed feelings about institutionalizing the mentally ill.
The thought of them sitting there vegetating for their entire lives being pumped up with psychotropic drugs seems hideous.
Seeing them roam around aimlessly, homeless and abandoned is equally so. Perhaps we should hand out cyanide pills, I mean: they shoot horses, don't they?
Talking about institutionalization is extremely uncomfortable for me; I just think it should be under consideration.

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