Barack Obama, our next President

[lily boca raton fl]

sonicfilter wrote:

The Republicans are, reportedly, outraged by President Obama’s opening bid in the fiscal cliff talks. Republicans always seem to be outraged. It’s getting boring. They need to step up and make a counter-offer.
http://swampland.time.com/2012/11/30/how-to-n...

I don't understand how they keep Boehner, who can't seem to get anything done at all.

[RealDave]

Impeach Obama wrote:

<quoted text>They continued to spread the lie long after they had the correct information, ignorant f'k.

I see, you want classified information made public.

Go ahead. You & your buddies McCain, Graham & whoever that woman was might as well keep making asses of themselves.

I especially love the clips of John McCain & Lindsey Graham ranting how Sadam had nuclear programs. Then watch them praise Condoleeza Rice after she had gone on the Sunday talk show saying the same things.

All proven to be wrong.

[sonicfilter]

lily boca raton fl wrote:

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I don't understand how they keep Boehner, who can't seem to get anything done at all.

he's been getting ripped on some of the right wing sites.

reality is starting to creep in.

[RealDave]

John Galt wrote:

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Just proves that Susan Rice is stupid if she believed that crap.
Liar or stupid, take your choice.

She said what the intelligence community indicated.

[RealDave]

EasyEed wrote:

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"real dumb"
Only an idiot such as yourself can justify letting a mass murderer like Sadamn continue to kill thousands and thousands of innocent Kurds.
"real dumb" the supporter of despots.
Peace
KMA

That was ten years earlier, moron We had Sadam bottled up in a no fly zone.

Hardly a justification for invasion.

Maybe someone should invade the US because we slaughtered the American Indian?

[sonicfilter]

The Conservative Spring

Now, as the GOP regroups from its electoral debacle, public criticisms of conservative dogmas have expanded beyond a small circle of dissidents. Prominent conservatives are saying heretical things that would have gotten them tarred, feathered, and banished a few months ago. The long night of strict doctrinal conformity - a period when dissidents were condemned for the slightest deviations in the equivalent of media show trials, purged, and then airbrushed out of old CPAC convention pictures- shows signs of ending. The high priests of the conservative infotainment industry are both discredited and politically vulnerable. Their agenda has been exposed as a bankrupt fraud - a Potemkin village, a path to nowhere.

....The window of opportunity for reform could shut quickly. The Conservative Spring might be followed, swiftly, by dour Brezhnevian repression, and another round of purity purges. Authoritarian elites, after all, have a nasty habit of regrouping and reasserting control. And it is unclear whether reform ideas can be effectively communicated to a base that believes in movement conservative inerrancy, is cut off from other information sources, disdains intellectuals, is dangerously misinformed, and is accustomed to the confrontational, schoolyard bully-style of talk radio.

http://www.cagle.com/2012/11/the-conservative...

[lily boca raton fl]

sonicfilter wrote:

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he's been getting ripped on some of the right wing sites.
reality is starting to creep in.

I liked this comment from the WSJ:

was too hopeful that the Republican Party would realize it was time to compromise. But they continue to be obstructionists.

If we can’t compromise to get wealthy Americans to pay their fair share, let’s all drive off the cliff together. When we go off the cliff, wealthy Americans will start paying their fair share. Average Americans will have to pay a little more than their fair share; i hope we can handle that for a while. We will get defense cuts, something the Republicans would never agree to. And social security and the Affordable Health Care act will be fine, unrelated issues the Republicans keep bring up. Fear will tumble Wall Street but it will bounce back very soon.

Driving off the cliff might be the best deal we get. Don’t be afraid, don’t blink.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/11/29/clif...

[carol]

Yeah wrote:

<quoted text>Because the primary objective was the wmd's.
I notice when that argument became null and void, cons turn to the "humanitarian" angle. Last I checked, over 100,000 civilians were killed under the bushie objectives.
But regardless of that 1998 claim, bushie did nothing. Just like he did nothing after the USS Cole.
Coincidence? I.. think... not!!!

The "humanitarian angle" was always part of the equation. During the Clinton administration and the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, the Act included a future need for War Crimes Tribunals in Iraq: "The Congress urges the President to call upon the United Nations to establish an international criminal tribunal for the purpose of indicting, prosecuting, and imprisoning Saddam Hussein and other Iraqi officials who are responsible for crimes against humanity, genocide, and other criminal violations of international law."

However, WMDs was always the primary focus - in 1998, during the UN resolutions and post 9/11. The entire world knew he had them and had used them.

He had plenty of time to get rid of them before and after the UN inspections and during the 14 resolutions by the UN, but he would have gotten them back.

The 260 mass graves were discovered after we went into Iraq, by the way.

[lily boca raton fl]

Foldable Kayak! What a super idea!

http://live.wsj.com/video/hugh-hefner-son-coo... #!B4633BFA-7632-4053-8E1E-535B EAB9EA4C

[sonicfilter]

lily boca raton fl wrote:

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I liked this comment from the WSJ:
was too hopeful that the Republican Party would realize it was time to compromise. But they continue to be obstructionists.
If we can’t compromise to get wealthy Americans to pay their fair share, let’s all drive off the cliff together. When we go off the cliff, wealthy Americans will start paying their fair share. Average Americans will have to pay a little more than their fair share; i hope we can handle that for a while. We will get defense cuts, something the Republicans would never agree to. And social security and the Affordable Health Care act will be fine, unrelated issues the Republicans keep bring up. Fear will tumble Wall Street but it will bounce back very soon.
Driving off the cliff might be the best deal we get. Don’t be afraid, don’t blink.
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/11/29/clif...

all the smart folks of every political persuasion are advocating much the same.

GOP Between A Cliff And A Cave

As I’ve argued here | here | here the fiscal cliff is much more a public relations gimmick designed to cause submissive urination within the GOP than representing any long term risk to the economy. In fact, the CBO says the short term recession that may be triggered by going over this alleged cliff will result in long term growth.

Right now we have the best deal we are going to get: real spending cuts against the tax rates going back to the way they were during the Clinton years.
http://www.redstate.com/2012/11/30/gop-betwee...

[carol]

Impeach Obama wrote:

<quoted text>Unlike organized religion, Christianity is a philosophy. Organized religion is nothing more than a political tool to maintain control of the masses.

Christianity is a faith-based personal relationship with Jesus Christ. It is a philosophy of Christ's teachings.

That philosophy is expressed, practiced and interpreted by different religions all around the world - from Catholicism and its many sects to Protastantism and its many sects to Easteron Orthodox religions to Oriental Orthodoxy - and everything else in between.

So unless the government is forcing one specific "religion" on the people, it's not the same as tolerating the "philosophy" of Christianity which is basically "peace, good will to all men."

[sonicfilter]

carol wrote:

<quoted text>
The "humanitarian angle" was always part of the equation. During the Clinton administration and the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, the Act included a future need for War Crimes Tribunals in Iraq: "The Congress urges the President to call upon the United Nations to establish an international criminal tribunal for the purpose of indicting, prosecuting, and imprisoning Saddam Hussein and other Iraqi officials who are responsible for crimes against humanity, genocide, and other criminal violations of international law."
However, WMDs was always the primary focus - in 1998, during the UN resolutions and post 9/11. The entire world knew he had them and had used them.
He had plenty of time to get rid of them before and after the UN inspections and during the 14 resolutions by the UN, but he would have gotten them back.
The 260 mass graves were discovered after we went into Iraq, by the way.

oh lord.

260 vs this.....

Iraq Body Count

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

got it? you can even go add up all the people Saddam killed and it still makes Bush look like Stalin.

i'm sure glad we don't all live in your closed off bubble.

[sonicfilter]

Only a fool would think that the same Congress that got us in this mess can get us out of this mess.

The fiscal cliff is the byproduct of multiple congressional compromises to kick several different cans down the road. Now they’ve all landed in the same spot. Both sides are trying to kick multiple cans at one time and are kicking each other instead.

What’s really going on in Washington right now is Republicans are in theater trying to look like the reasonable party. They want back in the good graces of the American public and want to at least save some face when polling says they’ll probably get blamed and their position is unpopular.

They might as well give it up. They’re going to get the blame no matter what happens. They are disjointed with bad spokesmen. One is orange and the other ... well ....

They might as well dive.

http://www.redstate.com/2012/11/30/cliff-divi...

[Chicagoan by Birth]

Yeah wrote:

<quoted text>lol! Son, you have enough trouble finding the declaration of war you claim exists.
So what you "think" clearly isn't reality!

You are 'the pot calling the kettle black, and believe 'in your own mind' that you think reasonably. BUT... You voted Barack Hussein Obama, which means you voted to have the Usurper in Chief not only pick you pocket. But clean out your welfare account? But as Spanky in the 'Our Gang Comedies' shook the monkey by tail. "Got any money monkey"? Does the shaking, ring a bell Yeahoo?? It ought too??

[Lincoln Duncan]

carol wrote:

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Christianity is a faith-based personal relationship with Jesus Christ. It is a philosophy of Christ's teachings.
That philosophy is expressed, practiced and interpreted by different religions all around the world - from Catholicism and its many sects to Protastantism and its many sects to Easteron Orthodox religions to Oriental Orthodoxy - and everything else in between.
So unless the government is forcing one specific "religion" on the people, it's not the same as tolerating the "philosophy" of Christianity which is basically "peace, good will to all men."

Which is why the Republicans love the fetus but hate the child, want to cut people of medical insurance so they can die ...to make room for tax cuts for millionaires.

You seem a phony

[lily boca raton fl]

Lincoln Duncan wrote:

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Which is why the Republicans love the fetus but hate the child, want to cut people of medical insurance so they can die ...to make room for tax cuts for millionaires.
You seem a phony

Many disagreed with the Carols of the country:

Popular Vote

Obama 63,714,092

Romney 59,782,295

[lily boca raton fl]

sonicfilter wrote:

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oh lord.
260 vs this.....
Iraq Body Count
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/
got it? you can even go add up all the people Saddam killed and it still makes Bush look like Stalin.
i'm sure glad we don't all live in your closed off bubble.

Not to mention our use of white phosphorous:

Did the US cause Fallujah's birth defects?

As deformities spike in the Iraqi city, we ask if the US has been honest about weaponry used during the 2004 assaults.

Iraqi physicians have also long reported a spike in cases involving severe birth defects in Fallujah since 2004. They have reported children born with multiple heads, serious brain damage, missing limbs and with extra fingers and toes

http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/insidesto...

[TheIndependentMa jority]

RealDave wrote:

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John Galt is full of sh*t.

SO are yew lol

Still, in an otherwise highly polarized political climate, access to affordable energy has become a rare issue with bipartisan appeal.

"It's just a no-brainer," Sen. Mary Landrieu, D-La., told The Associated Press. "Canada is going to export this oil. It's either going to come to the U.S. or it's going to go to Russia or China. Even Democrats that aren't really excited about oil and gas development generally can figure that out."

Many Democrats from states whose economies depend on oil, like Landrieu, support the pipeline. So do some trade unions, whose workers stand to gain thousands of new construction jobs. And while environmentalists make up an important part of their base, Democratic lawmakers are under intense pressure to create jobs and reduce American reliance on Mideast oil.

[TheIndependentMa jority]

RealDave wrote:

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I missed the part where the Act called to invade Iraq & get us stuck there for a decade costing hundreds of billions of dollars.

That was in bin-laden's manifesto, under the section of "how to put a fiscal hurting on the US while wiping out 3000 innocent lives at the same time" section.

Next time, read the opening forwards of whatever you're twisting and distorting terrorist propaganda spew from-DUHMmy

[TheIndependentMa jority]

new yawk wrote:

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And that makes you angry, lady?

That surprises you? It would bother any American with any sense.

That's not what we pay potus's to do.

Game over-time for opotus to get to WORK FOR the American people, not just stage hopping around draining tax dollars FROM them!!