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John Galt

Temecula, CA

#816098 Dec 3, 2012
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>we are a Socialist Democracy and have been since day one, I just dont agree with the direction it has taken.
Wrong. The US is a Constitutional republic, not a democracy, Socialist or otherwise.
carol

Orlando, FL

#816099 Dec 3, 2012
Homer wrote:
<quoted text>Fox News can't keep track of all their made up bull$hit.
Pretty sure mediamatters.org left out something that was crucial to the actual truth in this article.

If this source is what you call seeking the truth and thinking for yourself, you missed the mark.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#816100 Dec 3, 2012
carol wrote:
<quoted text>
Not yet. But we're gettting there. It's Obama's goal in life - a socialist democracy. Like European countries.
the Right, Republicans, and the So Called Conservatives including G.W. Bush call Socialist Democracy Compassionate Conservatism which I do not even consider Conservatism not even close.

Compassionate Conservatism

Compassionate Conservatism is a political philosophy that stresses using traditionally conservative techniques and concepts in order to improve the general welfare of society.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compassionate_co...
carol

Orlando, FL

#816101 Dec 3, 2012
GhostofRaygun wrote:
<quoted text>You need to read the transcript of what he said. He said the 47% pay no taxes. There is only one 47% in America that pay no taxes. 22% include those on SS and troops deployed. The gift takers.
CNN agreed with Romney. They posted an article with the headline and summary:

"47% will pay no federal income tax...An increasing number of households end up owing nothing in major federal taxes, but the situation may not be sustainable over the long run."

http://money.cnn.com/2009/09/30/pf/taxes/who_...
carol

Orlando, FL

#816102 Dec 3, 2012
GOPidiotsx wrote:
<quoted text>
Nancy didn't have any problem spending millions redecorating the WH when the unemployment rate was over 8%. Did you have a cow then?
No, and neither did I have a cow when Michelle Obama hired more staff than any other First Lady and went on a few vacations on the taxpayers' dime when the unemployment was well over 9%.

Since: Feb 08

Spokane, WA

#816103 Dec 3, 2012
sonicfilter wrote:
<quoted text>
(thank you.)
"In the last 20 years we've witnessed an expansion and strengthening of many of our civil liberties, but our economic liberties have too often been neglected and even abused. We protect the freedom of expression of the author, as we should, but what of the freedom of expression of the entrepreneur, whose pen and paper are capital and profits, whose book may be a new invention or small business? What of the creators of our economic life, whose contributions may not only delight the mind but improve the condition of man by feeding the poor with new grains, bringing hope to the sick with new cures, vanishing ignorance with wondrous new information technologies?
And what about fairness for families? It's in our families that America's most important work gets done: raising our next generation. But over the last 40 years, as inflation has shrunk the personal exemption, families with children have had to shoulder more and more of the tax burden. With inflation and bracket-creep also eroding incomes, many spouses who would rather stay home with their children have been forced to go looking for jobs. And what of America's promise of hope and opportunity, that with hard work even the poorest among us can gain the security and happiness that is the due of all Americans? You can't put a price tag on the American dream. That dream is the heart and soul of America; it's the promise that keeps our nation forever good and generous, a model and hope to the world.
For all these reasons, this tax bill is less a freedom—or a reform, I should say, than a revolution. Millions of working poor will be dropped from the tax rolls altogether, and families will get a long-overdue break with lower rates and an almost doubled personal exemption. We're going to make it economical to raise children again. Flatter rates will mean more reward for that extra effort, and vanishing loopholes and a minimum tax will mean that everybody and every corporation pay their fair share. And that's why I'm certain that the bill I'm signing today is not only an historic overhaul of our tax code and a sweeping victory for fairness, it's also the best antipoverty bill, the best profamily measure, and the best job-creation program ever to come out of the Congress of the United States."
http://millercenter.org/president/speeches/de...
Fairness.
"sonic"
Well at least you answered, with some one else's verbiage, but an answer non the less. I would still like an answer in your words as to why you think anyone should pay a higher or lower tax rate than you do. I understand in your mind that the government is the answer. Penalize those who work hard and produce. Reward those who are less successful, those who do not have the desire to excel, those with their hand out.
Peace

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#816104 Dec 3, 2012
John Galt wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong. The US is a Constitutional republic, not a democracy, Socialist or otherwise.
Right, US is a Constitutional Republic but a Socialist Democracy within the Constitutional Republic of Laws which a Democracy alone will not work.

Article 1 Section 8 advocates Socialism especially when the Federal Government has the power to take money from me to provide for others through the means of taxes.

http://www.shmoop.com/constitution/article-1-...
carol

Orlando, FL

#816105 Dec 3, 2012
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>the Right, Republicans, and the So Called Conservatives including G.W. Bush call Socialist Democracy Compassionate Conservatism which I do not even consider Conservatism not even close.
Compassionate Conservatism
Compassionate Conservatism is a political philosophy that stresses using traditionally conservative techniques and concepts in order to improve the general welfare of society.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compassionate_co...
You lost me with a social democracy having anything to do with compassionate conservatism.

However, a much better description of compassionate conservatism is: Compassionate conservatism is the theory that the government should encourage the effective provision of social services without providing the service itself.

Just the opposite of a social democracy where the government wants to provide for everyone's needs until the taxpayers run out of money. Then you have Greece. A good example of social democracy.
concerned American

Stanton, KY

#816106 Dec 3, 2012
Eman wrote:
<quoted text>Tax cuts aren't the problem. Spending is. Heard on levin today that in todays dollars, clinton spent something like 2.3 trillion. Thats how he got a surplus.
If they would cut fraud on s.s.i. and food stamps etc! And quit giving our tax dollars to these country's. That don't like us anyway. And get out of Afghanistan. We would have plenty of money!!!!!
John Galt

Temecula, CA

#816107 Dec 3, 2012
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>Right, US is a Constitutional Republic but a Socialist Democracy within the Constitutional Republic of Laws which a Democracy alone will not work.
Article 1 Section 8 advocates Socialism especially when the Federal Government has the power to take money from me to provide for others through the means of taxes.
http://www.shmoop.com/constitution/article-1-...
Article 1, Section 8 provides very limited taxing power.

The government could not take money from you to give to others until ratification of the Sixteenth Amendment in 1913

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#816108 Dec 3, 2012
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Since: Nov 11

Westerville, OH

#816109 Dec 3, 2012
Can any liberal tell me why Obama is hiding his college transcripts?

Let's hear the silence because they do not know but we conservatives KNOW!!!

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#816110 Dec 3, 2012
carol wrote:
<quoted text>
You lost me with a social democracy having anything to do with compassionate conservatism.
However, a much better description of compassionate conservatism is: Compassionate conservatism is the theory that the government should encourage the effective provision of social services without providing the service itself.
Just the opposite of a social democracy where the government wants to provide for everyone's needs until the taxpayers run out of money. Then you have Greece. A good example of social democracy.
I agree, Greece is a good example of a Social Democracy where the people were able to vote themselves Government Social Benefits & Money and people of Greece proved Ben Franklin right when he said "When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." and we seen that with G.W. Bush but he called it Compassinate Conservatism and when he signed into law Medicare Part D by adding 7 trillion Dollars to the Federal Deficit which I agree I dont call it conservatism either, but True Conservative are all about self reliant.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#816112 Dec 3, 2012
John Galt wrote:
<quoted text>
Article 1, Section 8 provides very limited taxing power.
The government could not take money from you to give to others until ratification of the Sixteenth Amendment in 1913
Exactly, and that is what alot of people dont understand before the 16th amendment taxes had to uniform throughout the United States then not anymore after the adoption of the 16th amendment.

The Real Problem Is The 16th Amendment

The 16th amendment more or less declares that all of our income is the property of the Federal government. Any amount they let us keep is the result of the benevolence of Congress. The Courts have ruled as such throughout the history of the income tax. This includes any income, from gifts to fringe benefits. If your employer pays for a business lunch, the Federal government can tax you for 100% of your lunch if they so desire. There are of course loopholes and all sorts of deductions and write offs. But those are all by the grace of Congress. According to the Courts and the 16th amendment Congress doesn’t have to write any deductions into law. They’re entitled to everything.

The income tax was sold to the American people by progressive Republican President William Howard Taft as a tax on corporations and rich people. Prior to the amendment taxes had to be apportioned to the states according to the census. As such most taxes the Federal government collected were Tariffs and various excise taxes. When it was sold to the American people, the idea was to tax the rich. Within 5 years of its passage the top rate was 77%. After a generation, most Americans were stuck paying income taxes. Now we’ve gotten to the point where government is calling a healthcare fine a tax. And why not? If everything belongs to the government what is to stop them from taxing us in fines?

http://stevenbirnspeaks.com/2012/06/29/the-re...

Adoption of the 16th Amendment

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixteenth_Amendm...
sonicfilter

Indianapolis, IN

#816113 Dec 3, 2012
EasyEed wrote:
<quoted text>
"sonic"
Well at least you answered, with some one else's verbiage, but an answer non the less. I would still like an answer in your words as to why you think anyone should pay a higher or lower tax rate than you do. I understand in your mind that the government is the answer. Penalize those who work hard and produce. Reward those who are less successful, those who do not have the desire to excel, those with their hand out.
Peace
those who do not have the desire.

is that the only reason someone would need help from the government?

give me a break.

let's be honest: i can't answer a question that is so obviously biased in any way that you'll agree with. your mind is set and you just want a punching bag. i'd think you'd know better by now.

have a nice night.
sonicfilter

Indianapolis, IN

#816114 Dec 3, 2012
Daniels and the 47% Remarks

Mitch Daniels reflected on Republican failings, but didn’t go quite far enough in his explanation of why the Romney 47% remarks were so wrong. He said:

A chronic disease of the Republican Party is the insistence on speaking in abstractions, or worse yet in language that offers no clue, no argument that the principles of liberty are far better for people at the bottom than the statist alternatives.

Daniels correctly understands that disparaging 47% of the people as irresponsible victims because they don’t pay income tax was incredibly insulting and politically disastrous, but in the comments in this report he doesn’t touch on how these remarks contradicted an appeal based on principles of liberty. A Republican candidate interested in promoting a message of liberty wouldn’t see the non-payment of a certain kind of federal tax as a moral failing or proof of dependency and irresponsibility. On the contrary, he would have been pleased that the tax burden is so relatively light, and he would have understood that the lightness of that burden was a legacy of decades of his party’s policies. The Romney vision was that people ought to aspire to paying income tax, as if it were a marker of some sort of virtue, and that there was nothing else in what he was proposing that would cause them to support him. Naturally, a vision that stunted and focused on nothing but material reasons for political loyalties was never going to appeal to anyone outside guaranteed core supporters. The problem in that case was not that Romney’s language was too abstract, but that it was extremely specific and detailed about the people that he was writing off.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/lariso...
sonicfilter

Indianapolis, IN

#816115 Dec 3, 2012
Why don’t 47 percent of Americans pay federal income taxes? One major reason: Tax credits that were passed with major bipartisan support — namely the Earned Income Tax Credit and the Child Tax Credit. And there’s a wealth of research showing that both of these tax breaks have been effective at lifting these Americans out of poverty and encourage them to move from welfare to work.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/...

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#816116 Dec 3, 2012
martinezjosei wrote:
Can any liberal tell me why Obama is hiding his college transcripts?
Let's hear the silence because they do not know but we conservatives KNOW!!!
You know only what Fox tells you that you know. It is very clear.

“My Life Is A Shell Game”

Since: May 07

Lapeer, MI

#816117 Dec 4, 2012
Cousin DuPrees Cousin wrote:
<quoted text>
You know only what Fox tells you that you know. It is very clear.
Clear as mud. Where in the hell were you born? mediamatters?
PDUPONT

Chicopee, MA

#816119 Dec 4, 2012
Aphelion wrote:
<quoted text>
So your answer is to spend our way out of debt? With this type of logic one has to wonder can any of you liberals even balance your checkbooks?
You right wing morons just can't wrap your heads around the concept of return on investment. Let's put it more concretely . I f you spend money on a fancy entertainment center for your home then that money you've spent will not give you any return for the few hours a week you actually use it. If you take that same money and invest in energy efficient appliances , more efficient windows or insulation then you realize savings in your energy bills. If a company spends money on redecorating executive offices it doesn't add anything to the bottom line but if they put that money into more machinery and/or more employees it brings more revenue as a result of improved productivity.
Tax cuts, two wars and Medicare part D didn't add anything to the GDP. The Bush tax cuts for the top 5% cost $11.6 million every hour of every day and contrary to GOP dogma haven't added any jobs as a result.
costoftaxcuts.com/about/
The war in Iraq cost $3 trillion and the only thing we got in return was over 4000 service people coming home in body bags and tens of thousands more maimed both bodily and emotionally who need to be cared for years to come at taxpayer expense.
www.washingtonpost.com › Opinions
Medicare part D was a sop to Big Pharma and resulted in seniors paying more for their medications and again increased the deficit with no return to GDP.
www.forbes.com/.../republican-budget-hypocris... ...
Why is it that deficits are only a problem when a Democrat is in the White House?

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