We've known this was coming for a year. We know Republicans never budged off their demand for tax cuts for the wealthy. I mean, after all, f*ck the country, their Norquist pledge is more important.Republicans couldn't have been any more clear they were ready to sit down and compromise.
Obama sent Geithner to deliver his decree - I mean, plan - and then took off again somewhere.
Point to any president in history who, in a time of crisis, didn't sit down with the opposition to negotiate a deal that would be acceptable to both sides.
You won't find one. This is the only one. He always has more important things to do.
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Since: May 11
#815056 Dec 2, 2012
#815057 Dec 2, 2012
The Democrats rejected the same friggin' budget in 2008! Not one Democrat vote in the Senate supported it!
Are you always this thick-headed??
#815058 Dec 2, 2012
once again, you're being a hypocrite.
so when will the GOP signal that they're ready to negotiate in good faith?
like...never? oh but maybe you can show us all some examples of Republicans playing nice with Obama? actually saying they will concede something substantial to get what they want?
so when will we get any details on the counter offer? like...never? and let's not make the first offer on cutting entitlements.'We have to let Obama do that so no on will think it was our idea.' way too late for that as their reluctance signals.
i can assure all of you wingnuts....the deal will not be to your liking. not that majority will care. just check the unskewed polls, or just check the election results if you like.
Since: Oct 08
#815059 Dec 2, 2012
Ain't it the truth? We're seeing now just how experienced this guy is running anything, Bet his wife doesn't let him touch the family checkbook??
#815060 Dec 2, 2012
Sure stupid, it was a big mistake to reject a plan where the wealthy get even wealthier on the backs of the middle class and the poor. A plan that cuts education, veterans benefits, infrastructure repair and maintenance , research and development , voucherizes Medicare putting the elderly at the tender mercies of private insurance and slashes Medicaid leaving the most vulnerable without healthcare.
Only a complete imbecile would consider the rejection of this nihilistic slash and burn policy a disaster.
Blaming Republicans is what Democrats do? Almost every day some right wing whack job you included blames the deficit on Democrats who took a slim control of Congress in 2007 without being able to come up with a single piece of legislation that caused that much damage and escaped Bush's veto pen.
When I place the blame on Bush as the majority of the American people do, I cite concrete examples.
You're a goddamned hypocrite Carol.
#815061 Dec 2, 2012
this is not 2008. going back just signals that you have nothing to go forward with.
#815062 Dec 2, 2012
GOP's Anti-Obama Campaign Started Night Of Inauguration
According to Draper, the guest list that night (which was just over 15 people in total) included Republican Reps. Eric Cantor (Va.), Kevin McCarthy (Calif.), Paul Ryan (Wis.), Pete Sessions (Texas), Jeb Hensarling (Texas), Pete Hoekstra (Mich.) and Dan Lungren (Calif.), along with Republican Sens. Jim DeMint (S.C.), Jon Kyl (Ariz.), Tom Coburn (Okla.), John Ensign (Nev.) and Bob Corker (Tenn.). The non-lawmakers present included Newt Gingrich, several years removed from his presidential campaign, and Frank Luntz, the long-time Republican wordsmith. Notably absent were Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio)-- who, Draper writes, had an acrimonious relationship with Luntz.
For several hours in the Caucus Room (a high-end D.C. establishment), the book says they plotted out ways to not just win back political power, but to also put the brakes on Obama's legislative platform.
"If you act like you're the minority, you're going to stay in the minority," Draper quotes McCarthy as saying. "We've gotta challenge them on every single bill and challenge them on every single campaign."
and that should be the last word on Obama intransigence. i realize for you that it won't, but you're evidently heavily invested in a FOXbot fantasy world.
but maybe you'll surprise me and say that the GOP was wrong for doing that.
#815063 Dec 2, 2012
FOX News? The network that predicted a Romney landslide on election night based upon their polling? HAHAHAHA
#815064 Dec 2, 2012
Some on the left are suggesting that Obama adopt a strategy of confrontation and conquest. Reject the Grand Bargain approach. Take the country over the fiscal cliff and blame it on the Republicans.
Obama could probably triumph in pushing higher tax rates on the rich that wouldn’t even produce enough revenue to cover a tenth of the deficit.
But he’d sow such bitterness that it would be the last thing he’d pass for the rest of his term.
The person who wrote this, David Brooks, should have stopped there. It's all there is to say.
"...higher taxes wouldn't even produce enough revenue to cover a tenth of the deficit."
#815066 Dec 2, 2012
Yes. It's called being a gracious winner, as opposed to declaring a mandate and spending political capital.
#815069 Dec 2, 2012
BullManure must have been in the drinking water and guzzled in early November. Not everyone made the same mistake twice, but many voters did and we are now going to get the Banana Republic government we deserve with this president who is still out campaigning instead of working.
But people weren’t paying attention. Those are the people now surprised that President Obama is still stridently campaigning instead of doing the real work of governing.
Even some who voted for him last month are puzzled as he threatens to take the nation off the fiscal cliff if Republicans don’t give him the tax hikes he demands now and puts off entitlement reform until later. He even wants to increase spending.
I’ve talked to people who supported him, and their surprise is surprising.
“I thought he was going to move toward the center after the election,” one stunned Obama backer told me. Another said he believed the president’s positions were opening gambits and he would compromise.“It’s the first round,” he insisted.
Both are smart, accomplished men, but I’m baffled that they didn’t see this coming. Where, exactly, is the evidence that Obama is willing or able to work with people who disagree with him? Tick, tock, time’s up — there isn’t any evidence, because he’s not.
Again and again, the first term revealed Obama’s idea of bipartisanship: Dissenters are unpatriotic and must surrender.
Compromise is a one-way street for him.
As polarizing and ineffective as that approach was, he was rewarded with four more years. A different man might see that as a mulligan — a second chance to get it right.
Not Obama. His behavior now is even more troubling.
That he’s willing to risk sending the economy back into recession and killing even more jobs leads me to believe his second term will be far more radical than the first. A stranger to humility, he thinks re-election confers a blank check.
His demand that spending cuts and entitlement reform be put off, while Republicans give him the tax hikes and the stimulus he wants, suggests he’s not serious about facing the mountain of debt. In that case, no progress is possible as the nation hurtles toward disaster.
The fear is reinforced with his sudden bid to have sole and permanent authority to raise the debt limit. As it stands, Congress’ power to set the ceiling serves as a practical check and balance.
His effort to eliminate it is something that happens in a banana republic. Is that where Obama wants to take America?
Sadly, many Americans believe the answer is yes, and its too late now to do anything about it.
#815071 Dec 2, 2012
What part of "higher taxes wouldn't even produce enough revenue to cover a tenth of the deficit" don't you understand?
It's one simple concept. Perhaps you should read it again.
#815073 Dec 2, 2012
The Golden Rule
Due to the UN vote Israel is withholding the transfers of tax revenues to the Palestinian districts and is pushing ahead with settlements in the disputed areas.
#815074 Dec 2, 2012
Apparently, Obama is repeating the past. It's the same plan.
Do you know the spending cuts Obama keeps talking about in his "balanced approach" to raising taxes?
Nobody else knows. Maybe you do.
#815076 Dec 2, 2012
yes, we already know that principal stands for nothing in GOPland.
that and we wouldn't want FOX to say he broke a campaign promise, now would we?
#815080 Dec 2, 2012
well geez carol, let's just drive off the cliff. we spend way to much on the military complex as it is. and what about all those tax cuts that will expire?
maybe you just need some right wing clarity.
GOP Between A Cliff And A Cave
they have been weighed and measured and found wanting
From inside the negotiations the picture looks even more grim:
“Republicans want the president to own the whole offer upfront, on both the entitlement and the revenue side, and that’s not going to happen because the president is not going to negotiate with himself,” the official said.“There’s a standoff, and the staff hasn’t gotten anywhere. Rob Nabors [the White House negotiator], has been saying:‘This is what we want on revenues on the down payment. What’s you guys’ ask on the entitlement side?’ And they keep looking back at us and saying:‘We want you to come up with that and pitch us.’ That’s not going to happen.”
This is not a hard nose bargaining position. It is an ultimatum. This is how you do business with someone you don’t like, you don’t respect, and most of all, you don’t fear.
now you can expound on how much the GOP likes, respects, and fears Obama.
this whole thing of getting back what you've been getting sure does have you FOXbots crying foul. it's the funniest thing i've seen out of you wingnuts since you all made Trump your birther icon.
#815082 Dec 2, 2012
Only a fool would think that the same Congress that got us in this mess can get us out of this mess.
The fiscal cliff is the byproduct of multiple congressional compromises to kick several different cans down the road. Now they’ve all landed in the same spot. Both sides are trying to kick multiple cans at one time and are kicking each other instead.
What’s really going on in Washington right now is Republicans are in theater trying to look like the reasonable party. They want back in the good graces of the American public and want to at least save some face when polling says they’ll probably get blamed and their position is unpopular.
They might as well give it up. They’re going to get the blame no matter what happens. They are disjointed with bad spokesmen. One is orange and the other ... well ....
They might as well dive.
#815083 Dec 2, 2012
"their position is unpopular."
"their position is unpopular."
"their position is unpopular."
keep talking carol.
#815084 Dec 2, 2012
Uh Oh__Carol's doing math__time for a beer run.
#815086 Dec 2, 2012
Who’s Afraid of the Fiscal Cliff?
Obama will get his upper-income tax hikes no matter what, the question is whether or not Republicans will cooperate to avert them for everyone else. If they don’t, the Democrats will continue to paint the GOP as obstructing primarily on the wealthy’s behalf, and the president will get credit for practically balancing the budget. According to the CBO, by 2022 the deficit would be at $200 billion, and the budget would be balanced long before the Ryan plan promised to.
Mitt Romney and the Randian wing of the GOP can take some consolation in the fact that, absent unlikely compromise, the ranks of the 47 percent will be reduced next year. Or, slightly less cynically, that taxpayers will come closer to paying the full price for their government.
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