Barack Obama, our next President

[dem gun nut in training]

I'm still confused, the prozac or the crack wich one first ???? Dangnabit.I want to be a smart lib.

[sonicfilter]

PDUPONT wrote:

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Yes Carol, I read the article you cited and it reveals that the study in question was financed by the tobacco industry. Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit is it?
Yes Carol, I read the article you cited and it reveals that the study in question was financed by the tobacco industry. Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit is it?

lol

[carol]

Obama 2016 wrote:

<quoted text>Image that! A Federal Court Judge from N.C., a staunch Republican in the pockets of N.C.'s tobacco industry, strikes down part of a report from an environmental group. Say it ain't so!

Federal Judge Osteen has a history of siding with the government on tobacco cases. In 1997, Judge Osteen ruled the FDA had the authority to regulate tobacco.

So much for his alleged bias.

[carol]

Obama 2016 wrote:

<quoted text>So you want millions of people to die from poison air, poison water and radiation from nuclear power plants, just so giant corporations like Wal Mart and BP can make even more obscene profits on the backs of their slave workers? That's exactly what would happen if not for the EPA and other environmental watchdog groups. Look at what's happening in China.

You might find this article interestig written by a physician. Although he does not advocate smoking, he also examined the evidence and, from his own experience as a physician, drew the same conclusion there is no evidence concluding second-hand smoke is harmful.

http://yourdoctorsorders.com/2009/01/the-myth...

This physician pointed out that data is often overlooked by the press. A recent example is a group of radiologists noted one-third of patients who were exposed to "high levels" of second hand smoke showed MRI changes similar to smokers.

What the press failed to report was that two-thirds of patients listed as non-smokers but exposed to "high levels” of second hand smoke had lower diffusion through the lungs than the "low exposure" group. That is, paradoxically, they showed the opposite of changes seen with heavy smokers.

I type many reports that are lung cancer related. You'd be surprised how many people get lung cancer who have never smoked or have even been exposed to second-hand smoke.

Smokers do get lung cancer. But I have yet to type a report where someone got lung cancer by exposure to second-hand smoke.

This physician stated the same.

[carol]

PDUPONT wrote:

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Yes Carol, I read the article you cited and it reveals that the study in question was financed by the tobacco industry. Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit is it?
Yes Carol, I read the article you cited and it reveals that the study in question was financed by the tobacco industry. Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit is it?

Medical scientists are not influenced by government bias or industrial bias. The medical data simply doesn't support the EPA's claims.

The hysteria is based on nothing but hype. Nonsmoking activists went to the EPA to take up the gauntlet against second hand smoke when initial studies didn't give them a sufficient enough leg to stand on.

It's the annoyance of smoke that took away the rights of smokers to smoke by nonsmokers based on a government report that was debunked by scientists.

Wonder what annoyance will be next? Will you be banned from buying a Big Mac? You aren't allowed to buy a large-sized drink in New York. And California is trying to ban meat once a week. But San Franciscans can run around the city butt naked.

[sonicfilter]

Fewer Heart Attacks Seen After Smoking Bans

Some groundbreaking research out of the Mayo Clinic shows that when cities and counties ban smoking in public buildings, the rate of heart attacks in the area drops dramatically.

Researchers mined the data from tens of thousands of medical records from every hospital and medical clinic in Olmsted County, and the findings are eye-opening.

In the 18 months before the county banned smoking in restaurants in 2002, there were 212 heart attacks per 100,000 residents. In 2007, the comprehensive smoking ban was put in place, and heart attacks dropped to 102 per 100,000 residents in the 18 months after the ban began. That marks a 45 percent decline.

"We were quite surprised," said Dr. Richard Hurt. "We thought we'd see a reduction, but until now, the highest reported reduction in heart attacks was 47 percent but most were around 17 percent or so."

Furthermore, when the smoking bans began, the number of sudden deaths from heart attacks dropped from 152 per 100,000 to 76, which is a 50 percent drop.

Hurt said the research forms one of the most definitive links yet between second-hand smoke and heart disease.

Read more: http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/health/2011/...

[carol]

See, this is the problem some refuse to see or recognize.

Researchers write in the Canadian Medical Association Journal despite media reports to the contrary, there is no evidence to support the assertion that smoking in cars is 23 times more toxic than in other indoor environments.

The authors say citing the inaccurate statistic has the potential to turn the public against efforts to ban smoking in automobiles. And If you're going to dictate to people how they should behave, not making things up is an important precursor.

http://www.science20.com/news_articles/resear...

The 6 important words: "Dictate to people how to behave."

[sonicfilter]

Second-hand smoke at 5 major airports puts flyers at risk, CDC says

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/11/21/seco...

[carol]

I'd rather stand outside by a smoker any day than sit anywhere in the city of San Francisco. Butt germs are much nastier than a faint smell of smoke.

[sonicfilter]

Alarming new study on effects of second-hand smoke
Advertisement

Research says over 42,000 Americans die each year

http://video.foxnews.com/v/1871307769001/alar...

[sonicfilter]

A new government study reports that while fewer kids and teens are getting exposed to secondhand smoke while riding in the car, rates of exposure are still high enough to warrant concern.

The authors recommend that more parts of the country ban smoking in cars carrying kids—laws that are on the books in four states.

Researchers said parents and other drivers may not realize that even when the windows are down, smoking in a vehicle can create toxic levels of circulating smoke.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/02/06/many...

[sonicfilter]

Smoking ban linked to drop in preterm births, small babies

The health of pregnant women and babies improved after smoking in public places was banned in Scotland, a new study says.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/03/07/smok...

[carol]

sonicfilter wrote:

Second-hand smoke at 5 major airports puts flyers at risk, CDC says
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/11/21/seco...

Car fumes in cities aren't healthy either. Are you going to ban cars?

If second hand smoke was the culprit government agencies suddenly profess them to be, everyone over 50 would have lung cancer.

Smoking was once allowed everywhere - even inside of an airplane and inside a movie theater.

If you can show me a scientific study (not a government agency claim) confirming a significant number of people over the age of 50 now have lung problems or lung cancer from exposure to second hand smoke, I'll recant my assertion that government is just trying to dictate our behavior.

But you won't find one. It doesn't exist.

[sonicfilter]

Secondhand smoke tied to more health effects

People regularly exposed to secondhand smoke may have increased risks of dying from various causes, a long-term study from China suggests.

Researchers found that compared with adults who lived and worked in smoke-free environs, those exposed to secondhand smoke were more likely to die of heart disease or lung cancer over 17 years.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/06/15/seco...

[carol]

sonicfilter wrote:

Fewer Heart Attacks Seen After Smoking Bans
Some groundbreaking research out of the Mayo Clinic shows that when cities and counties ban smoking in public buildings, the rate of heart attacks in the area drops dramatically.
Researchers mined the data from tens of thousands of medical records from every hospital and medical clinic in Olmsted County, and the findings are eye-opening.
In the 18 months before the county banned smoking in restaurants in 2002, there were 212 heart attacks per 100,000 residents. In 2007, the comprehensive smoking ban was put in place, and heart attacks dropped to 102 per 100,000 residents in the 18 months after the ban began. That marks a 45 percent decline.
"We were quite surprised," said Dr. Richard Hurt. "We thought we'd see a reduction, but until now, the highest reported reduction in heart attacks was 47 percent but most were around 17 percent or so."
Furthermore, when the smoking bans began, the number of sudden deaths from heart attacks dropped from 152 per 100,000 to 76, which is a 50 percent drop.
Hurt said the research forms one of the most definitive links yet between second-hand smoke and heart disease.
Read more: http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/health/2011/...

Was the data showing the decline in heart attacks from 212 to 102 per 100,000 residents due to smoking bans among smokers only? What percentage of that decline were people merely exposed to second hand smoke?

Because no one is arguing smoking isn't harmful.

[MR BRINK]

carol wrote:

I'd rather stand outside by a smoker any day than sit anywhere in the city of San Francisco. Butt germs are much nastier than a faint smell of smoke.

KNOW THIS, CAROL: SAN FRANCISCO PREFERS YOU WOULD AS WELL.

KNOW THIS TOO, CAROL: AS A PERSISTENT SPREADER OF FILTH, AND A VECTOR FOR DISEASED THOUGHT, YOU ABSENCE FROM THIS THREAD WILL SERVE AS CONFIRMATION OF YOUR ACTUAL DEATH, OR SOMETHING THAT IS CLOSE ENOUGH.

(YOU CAN FEEL THE BEGINNING OF MY EMBRACE RIGHT NOW, CAN'T YOU CAROL (THAT'S RHETORICAL). AS A SMOKER WITH DIABETES, COPD AND HIGH CHOLESTEROL, YOU'RE NOT EVEN PEEKING AT ME FROM BEHIND YOUR FAN ANYMORE; YOU'RE IN FULL-BLOWN COURTSHIP MODE. I DON'T EVEN HAVE TO CHASE YOU DOWN TO MOUNT YOU ...

/jc

[carol]

sonicfilter wrote:

Secondhand smoke tied to more health effects
People regularly exposed to secondhand smoke may have increased risks of dying from various causes, a long-term study from China suggests.
Researchers found that compared with adults who lived and worked in smoke-free environs, those exposed to secondhand smoke were more likely to die of heart disease or lung cancer over 17 years.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/06/15/seco...

I'm done with this topic after posting this.

Show me a scientific study (not a government agency claim) confirming a significant number of people over the age of 50 who now have lung problems or lung cancer from exposure to second hand smoke, and I'll recant my assertion that government is just trying to dictate our behavior.

Second hand smoke was once everywhere. No one seemed to mind until a government agency told them they should. Shouldn't there be more conclusive evidence that lung cancer is prevelant in those 50 and older?

"Dictate to people how they should behave."

You either don't mind being told what to do or you do. Even many nonsmokers do.

[WorkLessMakeMore _org]

sonicfilter wrote:

Smoking ban linked to drop in preterm births, small babies
The health of pregnant women and babies improved after smoking in public places was banned in Scotland, a new study says.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/03/07/smok...

That's a no brainer'

lol

[carol]

MR BRINK wrote:

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KNOW THIS, CAROL: SAN FRANCISCO PREFERS YOU WOULD AS WELL.
KNOW THIS TOO, CAROL: AS A PERSISTENT SPREADER OF FILTH, AND A VECTOR FOR DISEASED THOUGHT, YOU ABSENCE FROM THIS THREAD WILL SERVE AS CONFIRMATION OF YOUR ACTUAL DEATH, OR SOMETHING THAT IS CLOSE ENOUGH.
(YOU CAN FEEL THE BEGINNING OF MY EMBRACE RIGHT NOW, CAN'T YOU CAROL (THAT'S RHETORICAL). AS A SMOKER WITH DIABETES, COPD AND HIGH CHOLESTEROL, YOU'RE NOT EVEN PEEKING AT ME FROM BEHIND YOUR FAN ANYMORE; YOU'RE IN FULL-BLOWN COURTSHIP MODE. I DON'T EVEN HAVE TO CHASE YOU DOWN TO MOUNT YOU ...
/jc

Hi Debil.

Bye Debil.

[carol]

This is what is most worrisome. Americans are starting to act like sheep and submit to whatever is being dictated without even so much a protest.

There was a time when Americans would have gone out and bought large-sized drinks en mass in New York just because they were told not to.

But not a peep out of the sheep.