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krissy

Tacoma, WA

#803924 Nov 13, 2012
Obama Won Woo Hoo wrote:
<quoted text>GREAT post. In New York City, she can have her fetus removed at any time for any reason, but she can't put 16oz of a soft drink in her body.
I posted the article because I thought it was interesting how the current Christian views on abortion were shaped by Jerry Falwell and the Catholic Church. Not because I want soda or I plan to get an abortion any time soon lol. Don't you ever question why you believe the things that you do?

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In 1968, Christianity Today published a special issue on contraception and abortion, encapsulating the consensus among evangelical thinkers at the time. In the leading article, professor Bruce Waltke, of the famously conservative Dallas Theological Seminary, explained the Bible plainly teaches that life begins at birth:

“God does not regard the fetus as a soul, no matter how far gestation has progressed. The Law plainly exacts:'If a man kills any human life he will be put to death'(Lev. 24:17). But according to Exodus 21:22–24, the destruction of the fetus is not a capital offense… Clearly, then, in contrast to the mother, the fetus is not reckoned as a soul.”

The magazine Christian Life agreed, insisting,“The Bible definitely pinpoints a difference in the value of a fetus and an adult.” And the Southern Baptist Convention passed a 1971 resolution affirming abortion should be legal not only to protect the life of the mother, but to protect her emotional health as well.

These stalwart evangelical institutions and leaders would be heretics by today’s standards. Yet their positions were mainstream at the time, widely believed by born-again Christians to flow from the unambiguous teaching of Scripture.

Televangelist Jerry Falwell spearheaded the reversal of opinion on abortion in the late 1970s, leading his Moral Majority activist group into close political alliance with Catholic organizations against the sexual revolution.

In contrast to evangelicals, Catholics had mobilized against abortion immediately after Roe v. Wade. Drawing on mid-19th century Church doctrines, organizations like the National Right to Life Committee insisted a right to life exists from the moment of conception.

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As evangelical leaders formed common cause with Catholics on topics like feminism and homosexuality, they began re-interpreting the Bible as teaching the Roman Catholic position on abortion.

Falwell’s first major treatment of the issue, in a 1980 book chapter called, significantly,“The Right to Life,” declared,“The Bible clearly states that life begins at conception…(Abortion) is murder according to the Word of God.”

With the megawatt power of his TV presence and mailing list, Falwell and his allies disseminated these interpretations to evangelicals across America.

“life under BO”

Since: Sep 12

buena vista

#803925 Nov 13, 2012
carol wrote:
When the majority of Americans vote for Marxist principles over Jeffersonian principles, it's time for states who want to secede to become sovreign nations.
It's what Jefferson would have done.
I hope they do it, f the blue states. Let's see California, NY and Illinois go it alone.

“My Life Is A Shell Game”

Since: May 07

Lapeer, MI

#803928 Nov 13, 2012
Alloramadai wrote:
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Boy? That's what you were begging me to call you last night. A man wouldn't have needed the orders I had to give to guide your substandard performance.
Additionally, boy-child, your reference from 2006 is far from current. Shall I update you and, thereby, school your lame azz as well? http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/t...
I'll let your remedial use of the English language go at this time. However, if you wanna play games with the grown-ups, you're going to have to step up a great deal.
You, dim-wit negative charge, are dismissed.
Next.
You sh*t yerself agin, Bozo. Stupid people don't get embarrassed so I expect you to keep pizzing into the ceiling fan.

You j8ust sent a link to a gov website with data only as close as 2007 and it STILL shows horrendous numbers of black women using abortions as BC.

What are sniffing tonight? Don't let the toilet seat hit you on the head at supper.

You are a Fool dressed in intelligentsia clothing.
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#803929 Nov 13, 2012
Lord Fetch wrote:
<quoted text>she's broken...her wheels have come off. she swallowed the hook and she's not coming back...very entertaining though watching her running around dodging hunks of imaginary falling sky.
and when this all plays out and the world doesn't end and the economy fires up, you know these same a$$holes are going to find a way to try to take credit for it.
tards...the world's full of 'em
US Companies Plan Layoffs Because of Obamacare

Welch Allyn — 275 employees, about 10 percent of its workforce, over the next three years.

Dana Holding Corp.— unspecified number’

Stryker — 96 jobs in December. They also say they’ll slash 5 percent of their global workforce, about 1,170 positions.

Boston Scientific — 1,200 and 1,400 jobs, while shifting investments and workers overseas to China.

Medtronic cut 500 positions over the summer, with 500 more set to be eliminated by the end of 2013.

Smith & Nephew — 770 layoffs

Abbott Labs — 700 layoffs

Covidien — 595 layoffs

Kinetic Concepts — 427 layoffs

St. Jude Medical — 300 layoffs

Hill Rom — 200 layoffs

Papa Johns - cutting hours to thirty or below

Murray Energy-150 layoffs


And the beat goes on....

“Amor patriae.”

Since: Feb 08

Eastern Oregon

#803937 Nov 13, 2012
THE DEBIL wrote:
My sense is that this thread's dying? How do you guys feel about it?
Just too many dead skunks. Things'll improve once you quit stinking up the place.

“I'm here with bells on.”

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#803938 Nov 13, 2012
carol wrote:
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Obama's stance on parital birth abortions is why I cried my eyes out the first time...knowing my fellow countrymen would elect a man so callous about human life.
The number of partial birth abortions in this country pales in comparison to the number of women who died as a result of illegal abortion in any trimester. Don't tell me you're not callous about their human lives, or the lives of the children they bear if they don't abort - your every post on the subject intimates that you not only place the life of the fetus over hers, but that you couldn't possibly care less about the life these children are born to. Once they're born, your eyes weep over the next fetus, and if you had your way, the net society throws to catch them once they leave the womb, would leave your precious wallet untouched.

You are pro-fetus......not pro-life.

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

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#803943 Nov 13, 2012
shinningelectr0n wrote:
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A Liberal has no chance at sustained life independent of support from hard working taxpayers.
How do you account for the fact that so many liberals are taxpayers??? Even the rich ones.

“wake up”

Since: Jan 10

utica ny

#803945 Nov 13, 2012
RealDave wrote:
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Then why are you & your party constantly trying to limit abortions & prevent gays from marrying.
If what you said were true, then you & our party would just STFU about these things.
You are either quite the liar or dumber than Fred.
And really, would more people utilize better contraception if it were more affordable & accessible? Would fewer get pregnant if they were on the pill / have injections good for months or relying on that condom?
condoms 50cents. The pill $18 a month if your not capabable of funding your own sex life then keep you're pants on. If you don't want anyone to have any say over your actions then don't demand others pay for the results of your actions.

“Often imitated”

Since: Jul 07

never duplicated

#803950 Nov 13, 2012
Lord Fetch wrote:
there's your f*cking mandate
dem know all about f*cking man dates. He's a pro.
THE DEBIL

Poland

#803951 Nov 13, 2012
Eman wrote:
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dem know all about f*cking man dates. He's a pro.
WHEREAS YOU JUS' AN' AMATEUR.
one for all all for one

Bethlehem, PA

#803952 Nov 13, 2012
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>The number of partial birth abortions in this country pales in comparison to the number of women who died as a result of illegal abortion in any trimester. Don't tell me you're not callous about their human lives, or the lives of the children they bear if they don't abort - your every post on the subject intimates that you not only place the life of the fetus over hers, but that you couldn't possibly care less about the life these children are born to. Once they're born, your eyes weep over the next fetus, and if you had your way, the net society throws to catch them once they leave the womb, would leave your precious wallet untouched.
You are pro-fetus......not pro-life.
Exactly! Couldn't have said it any better.

“I'm here with bells on.”

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#803953 Nov 13, 2012
one for all all for one wrote:
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Exactly! Couldn't have said it any better.
Neither could I.
:)
Thanks.

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krissy

Tacoma, WA

#803954 Nov 13, 2012
moshx wrote:
<quoted text> condoms 50cents. The pill $18 a month if your not capabable of funding your own sex life then keep you're pants on. If you don't want anyone to have any say over your actions then don't demand others pay for the results of your actions.
How much for the bag your wife has to put over your head before she will, ummm....make the sexy time with you?

“wake up”

Since: Jan 10

utica ny

#803955 Nov 13, 2012
krissy wrote:
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How much for the bag your wife has to put over your head before she will, ummm....make the sexy time with you?
who you gonna steal from to pay.

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#803957 Nov 13, 2012
downhill246 wrote:
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US Companies Plan Layoffs Because of Obamacare
Welch Allyn — 275 employees, about 10 percent of its workforce, over the next three years.
Dana Holding Corp.— unspecified number’
Stryker — 96 jobs in December. They also say they’ll slash 5 percent of their global workforce, about 1,170 positions.
Boston Scientific — 1,200 and 1,400 jobs, while shifting investments and workers overseas to China.
Medtronic cut 500 positions over the summer, with 500 more set to be eliminated by the end of 2013.
Smith & Nephew — 770 layoffs
Abbott Labs — 700 layoffs
Covidien — 595 layoffs
Kinetic Concepts — 427 layoffs
St. Jude Medical — 300 layoffs
Hill Rom — 200 layoffs
Papa Johns - cutting hours to thirty or below
Murray Energy-150 layoffs
And the beat goes on....
"...and a child shall lead them."

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Lapeer, MI

#803958 Nov 13, 2012
mdbuilder wrote:
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Just too many dead skunks. Things'll improve once you quit stinking up the place.
A five minute DEBIL stroll through a Nursery and every plant would be dead. And that's with his mouth shut.

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#803959 Nov 13, 2012
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>The number of partial birth abortions in this country pales in comparison to the number of women who died as a result of illegal abortion in any trimester. Don't tell me you're not callous about their human lives, or the lives of the children they bear if they don't abort - your every post on the subject intimates that you not only place the life of the fetus over hers, but that you couldn't possibly care less about the life these children are born to. Once they're born, your eyes weep over the next fetus, and if you had your way, the net society throws to catch them once they leave the womb, would leave your precious wallet untouched.
You are pro-fetus......not pro-life.
You are pro-death, pro-stupid, pro-expediency and feign compassion to buttress them. There is a special place in the afterlife for hypocrites. You belong to the order of Karma Nuns: the Karmalites.

May you come back as a fetus dumpster.

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#803960 Nov 13, 2012
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>How do you account for the fact that so many liberals are taxpayers??? Even the rich ones.
How do YOU account for that? Free Food Stamps, Free Cell Phones, Affirmative Action, Free Rents,.....got the Boy Messiah elected.

They didn't pay for it. They voted for it.

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#803961 Nov 13, 2012
Lily Boca Raton Fl wrote:
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Exactly
Exactly??????? What is wrong with you?

The argument that she has the right to choose what happens to her own body is markedly flawed. The same ones who want to give a woman the right for an abortion would condemn women for smoking and fight what was her 'choice', clearly affecting her own body. In abortion, the baby is clearly separate in content and being than the mother. It is only riding with the mother for a few months. As Christians, we should protect the helpless, including the unborn individual as it grows. Why doesn't anyone expose that the reason for an abortion is simply selfishness? The mother's 'choice' is simply what inconvenience she wants to escape.

I believe the reason people call for abortion to be legal is, simply put, selfishness. The abortion occurs as the mother (maybe under other's pressure) does not want the baby. Others do not want to feel the guilt of not picking up the pieces to help an unwanted baby. They selfishly want to spend their money on themselves and their wants rather than to sacrifice some for unwanted or unsupported babies. The mother puts her own wants above the baby's needs.

Currently in medicine, we have advanced our technology and understanding to be able to care for and nourish very early premature infants, even into the second trimester. People easily agree they have rights but across town another, same gestational age infant is snatched from the mother's body in a horrific manner. Where should we draw the line? The only answer that can be medically supported is before conception.

It isn't just another 'procedure' in medicine. Having helped and performed many 'procedures', there is virtually nothing as disgusting as the suction causing ripping and destruction of formed placental and fetal tissue that occurs with an abortion, not to mention the pain imposed on the fetus being torn apart. This is not meant to be sensational, although it is. This is to make the point that medical 'procedures' are to fix a problem and nearly all are neat and clean with this exception. When physicians remove a uterus, for example, they do their best to remove it intact. Not so with an abortion. The goal is simple evacuation. Doctors are sworn to stand up for life and to minimize suffering for all patients. Those who perform abortions have violated the Hippocratic oath. They forget that the fetus is a patient too.

http://dutyisours.com/abortion.htm

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#803962 Nov 13, 2012
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>The number of partial birth abortions in this country pales in comparison to the number of women who died as a result of illegal abortion in any trimester. Don't tell me you're not callous about their human lives, or the lives of the children they bear if they don't abort - your every post on the subject intimates that you not only place the life of the fetus over hers, but that you couldn't possibly care less about the life these children are born to. Once they're born, your eyes weep over the next fetus, and if you had your way, the net society throws to catch them once they leave the womb, would leave your precious wallet untouched.
You are pro-fetus......not pro-life.
The argument that she has the right to choose what happens to her own body is markedly flawed. The same ones who want to give a woman the right for an abortion would condemn women for smoking and fight what was her 'choice', clearly affecting her own body. In abortion, the baby is clearly separate in content and being than the mother. It is only riding with the mother for a few months. As Christians, we should protect the helpless, including the unborn individual as it grows. Why doesn't anyone expose that the reason for an abortion is simply selfishness? The mother's 'choice' is simply what inconvenience she wants to escape.

I believe the reason people call for abortion to be legal is, simply put, selfishness. The abortion occurs as the mother (maybe under other's pressure) does not want the baby. Others do not want to feel the guilt of not picking up the pieces to help an unwanted baby. They selfishly want to spend their money on themselves and their wants rather than to sacrifice some for unwanted or unsupported babies. The mother puts her own wants above the baby's needs.

Currently in medicine, we have advanced our technology and understanding to be able to care for and nourish very early premature infants, even into the second trimester. People easily agree they have rights but across town another, same gestational age infant is snatched from the mother's body in a horrific manner. Where should we draw the line? The only answer that can be medically supported is before conception.

It isn't just another 'procedure' in medicine. Having helped and performed many 'procedures', there is virtually nothing as disgusting as the suction causing ripping and destruction of formed placental and fetal tissue that occurs with an abortion, not to mention the pain imposed on the fetus being torn apart. This is not meant to be sensational, although it is. This is to make the point that medical 'procedures' are to fix a problem and nearly all are neat and clean with this exception. When physicians remove a uterus, for example, they do their best to remove it intact. Not so with an abortion. The goal is simple evacuation. Doctors are sworn to stand up for life and to minimize suffering for all patients. Those who perform abortions have violated the Hippocratic oath. They forget that the fetus is a patient too.

http://dutyisours.com/abortion.htm

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