Barack Obama, our next President

[Phil]

TheIndependentMajority wrote:

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It's long time passed EPA regs and environmental prereqs.
Get over it already.
ROMNEY/RYAN 2012!
YES to American Energy independence AND STELLAR business EXPERIENCE!

You mean his Stellar business experience with Bain? Where he outsourced jobs to other countries, laid off employees, and bled the company dry of all profits?

[TheIndependentMa jority]

Obama 2012 wrote:

<quoted text> Hopefully President Obama will mandate that part-time employees must be provided with health care too. Health care is needed by all of America's citizens, not just full-time employees.

ROMNEY/RYAN 2012!

The REAL-Proven (via already been there and done it)EXPERIENCE in HEALTHCARE FOR EVERYONE-Not just some!!!

[Jane Says]

So, um, fred, when gasoline is sold for $6-7-8 a gallon, where does that money go? Does it go into space somewhere? Or is.. someone getting very rich as a result? Is he Arab? Is he... Texan? After the President singlehandedly goes out and swaps the numbers on the Paki-gas station marquees, what's in it for him? What does he make on the deal? Somebody must be making something, who is it? Isn't that the person most likely to be the culprit? Who makes money when the price of gas goes up? Hmmmmmmm.. freddy-boy?

[sonicfilter]

Jane Says wrote:

Sometimes, when I'm bored, I'll let the cat sniff my panties. Say, um, when you say something like, "they spent 249 million taxpayer dollars on something, does that mean the 249 million dollars just disappeared or did it go somewhere instead? Where did it go? Someone... must still have it, right? So, um, who's got the money? That was, um, wasted?

I'm somewhat loath to ask, but that's after you take off the panties?

[Obama 2012]

fred wrote:

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$6 gas? Thanks Kenyan!
Politics
October 15, 2012
Obama Bans Drilling in Half of Alaska's 'Petroleum Reserve'
Obama's Great Alaska Shutout
Interior bans drilling on 11.5 million acres of 'petroleum reserve.'
WALL STREET JOURNAL - President Obama is campaigning as a champion of the oil and gas boom he's had nothing to do with, and even as his regulators try to stifle it. The latest example is the Interior Department's little-noticed August decision to close off from drilling nearly half of the 23.5 million acre National Petroleum Reserve in Alaska.
Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/strategic-petroleum...

Oil production in America is at a record high. It is not necessary for the oil industry to destroy Alaska simply to increase their obscene profit margin even more.$5 or $6 gas is still a bargain. Thanks to President Obama's strict new fuel mileage standards, today's vehicles can travel farther on $50 worth of gas than previous vehicles could travel on $200 worth. Some vehicles require no gas at all. Get rid of your gas guzzling SUV and purchase a modern vehicle.

[fetch almighty]

sonicfilter wrote:

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Like Raines? What do you think Bush was telling him when he made those trips to the WH so they could work out how to make sure that those low income folks could get a home loan that they couldn't actually afford?

certainly you know that the housing crisis started when Clinton said 'everyone should have a home'. He just forgot to tell them they would have to pay for it. Brooksley Born knew and what happened to her? Clinton fired her.

[DBWriter]

sonicfilter wrote:

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Convoluted.
So are you saying that when F&F cooked the books, during Bush, that it was the Dems fault?
And that after Bush's 2002 'we need to make sure by any means possible that every American owns a home' speech that the sub prime market didn't expand 10 fold? And that it was never an issue until 2007?

I just love it when the Democrats use George Bush as a reference to defend their bullshit. I suppose everything the Democrats do is Bush's fault....
"Convoluted"
A straight-line progression of negotiating points from the Democrats and the Director of OFHEO citing Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac for cooking the books to hids the CRA failure, then putting this on a time line showing the coincidence of the Democrats being given what they want with their support for the Iraq operation may seem convoluted to you. After all, you're stupid enough to gobble up the obvious lies of the Democrats.
"So are you saying that when F&F cooked the books, during Bush, that it was the Dems fault?"
Here's the relevant quotes showing the Democrats protecting Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac while they cook the books:
Barney Frank - " I worry, frankly, that there's a tension here. The more people, in my judgment, exaggerate a threat of safety and soundness, the more people conjure up the possibility of serious financial losses to the Treasury, which I do not see. I think we see entities that are fundamentally sound financially and withstand some of the disaster scenarios."
... and "I do think I do not want the same kind of focus on safety and soundness that we have in OCC [Office of the Comptroller of the Currency] and OTS [Office of Thrift Supervision]. I want to roll the dice a little bit more in this situation towards subsidized housing."
OFHEO Director Armando Falcon Jr - "OFHEO [Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight] did not improperly apply accounting rules; Freddie Mac did. OFHEO did not try to manage earnings improperly; Freddie Mac did. So this isn't about the agency's engagement in improper conduct, it is about Freddie Mac. Let me just correct the record on that. I have been asking for these additional authorities for four years now. I have been asking for additional resources, the independent appropriations assessment powers."
Rep. Gregory Meeks (D., N.Y.)- " I am just pissed off at OFHEO because if it wasn't for you I don't think that we would be here in the first place."
"And that after Bush's 2002 'we need to make sure by any means possible that every American owns a home' speech that the sub prime market didn't expand 10 fold? And that it was never an issue until 2007?"
If you read the material, you will see that this was an issue going all the way back to when Bill Clinton began this economic nightmare when he strong-armed Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac into pushing the Democrats' ludicrous subprime housing loan program nationwide. It was 2003 when it came before Congress in hearings that were called because the threat to our economy had been identified, and because the Democrats demanded the Republicans give in to them over their subprime program that eventually collapsed our economy.
The bottom line is, the Republicans gave the Democrats what they wanted, in exchange the Democrats were for the Iraq operation (before they were against it), the Democrats gained full oversight of their ludicrous subprime housing loan program, and after 2 years of Democrat oversight that program collapsed our economy.
Now, let's compare the timelines of the Republicans giving to the Democrats their wish for no effective oversight of their insane subprime loan program that ultimately collapsed our economy after 2 years of oversight by Democrats to the timeline of the Democrats being for the Iraq operation before they were against it.

[TheIndependentMa jority]

Obama 2012 wrote:

<quoted text> Hopefully President Obama will mandate that part-time employees must be provided with health care too. Health care is needed by all of America's citizens, not just full-time employees.

As the 2012 presidential campaign gets under way in just a few months (believe it or not), we expect to see an increasing number of attacks on so-called “RomneyCare.” So as part primer and part preemptive fact-checking, this article is our attempt to set the record straight. We found:

The major components of the state and federal law are similar, but details vary. The federal law put a greater emphasis on cost-control measures, for instance. Massachusetts is just now tackling that.
The state law was successful on one big goal: A little more than 98 percent of state residents now have insurance.

FACTchecked.org

ROMNEY/RYAN 2012!

[sonicfilter]

fred wrote:

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Democrats are 100% responsible for the sub prime fueled housing balloon and the subsequent collapse of the financial sector by blackmailing bankers into issuing loans to minorities or face the charge of racism.
Franklin Raines, a democrat operative, committed massive fraud at Freddie and should be doing 150 years like Bernie Madoff. He ripped America off for trillions.

You really should start posting some right wing chain emails. I'm sure DBiter would send you some. The we can all see how knowledgeable 'you' really are.

[LOL]

Red State Sucker wrote:

Sadly the next president may be decided by people that are swayed by how one of them performs at a town hall meeting.

Hey, Da Bammy promises to be more aggressive tonight ... pickin' up some Kung Fu moves and a switchblade. LOL

So, how long you been suckin', Red?

[fetch almighty]

sonicfilter wrote:

War with Iran Is More Likely Under Romney, and It Would Be a Major War
Bret Stephens tries to persuade a “wavering voter” to support Romney by blatantly lying to him:
No, we will not have another war in the Middle East. Not even if President Romney orders Iran’s nuclear sites bombed to smithereens.
Stephens tries to pull this off by citing the example of Operation Desert Fox. That greatly understates what an attack on Iran would involve. Stephens wants to create the impression that war with Iran would be just a few days of air strikes and nothing more. The “wavering voter” might want to know that this is a preposterous scenario.
If Romney ordered an attack on Iran, it would take much longer than a few days. It would be a prolonged air campaign. The risks to Americans directly involved in the campaign and elsewhere would be great. Americans are weary of foreign wars mainly because they don’t want more American losses in unnecessary wars, and attacking Iran is the perfect example of an unnecessary war. There would be no legal pretext for such an attack. It would be illegal under international law, and most governments around the world would condemn it.
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/lariso...

Just think if the democrats hadn't blocked the bombing of Iran in 2007-2008 we would be done with Iran now. The people would be free and Israel would be safer.

[Jane Says]

So where's the money, fred? Where's the money your pal Raines "stole?" Isn't it out there somewhere or did it just disappear? Who has the money right now, freddy? Janey thinks freddy's got some 'splainin' to do... When your outrage is generated by your income aren't you guilty of trying to have it both ways? You sound like a thief who blames handcuff manufacturers for making them so uncomfortable to wear.

[DBWriter]

sonicfilter wrote:

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i need to keep you on the 'no rational reason to reply' list. you and DBiter.

You probably say that to everyone who makes it obvious you've been indoctrinated with the system of lies the Democrats create to hide their incompetence and treasonous actions.
By the way, when will we have a budget for our government again? We haven't had one since Obama took office.

[fetch almighty]

Jane Says wrote:

So, um, fred, when gasoline is sold for $6-7-8 a gallon, where does that money go? Does it go into space somewhere? Or is.. someone getting very rich as a result? Is he Arab? Is he... Texan? After the President singlehandedly goes out and swaps the numbers on the Paki-gas station marquees, what's in it for him? What does he make on the deal? Somebody must be making something, who is it? Isn't that the person most likely to be the culprit? Who makes money when the price of gas goes up? Hmmmmmmm.. freddy-boy?

When I lived in Chicago, Deomocrat Mayor Daley used to say, "I love high gas prices, we make more in taxes."

[Obama 2012]

Phil wrote:

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You mean his Stellar business experience with Bain? Where he outsourced jobs to other countries, laid off employees, and bled the company dry of all profits?

And robbed the employee's pension funds and deposited them in one of his numerous Cayman Island bank accounts.
"I'm not concerned about the poor"

[TheIndependentMa jority]

Phil wrote:

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You mean his Stellar business experience with Bain? Where he outsourced jobs to other countries, laid off employees, and bled the company dry of all profits?

Kind of like no taxes paid Givverment motors?

General Motors Co. will drive away from its U.S.-government-financed restructuring with a final gift in its trunk: a tax break that could be worth as much as $45 billion.
From Icon to Bankruptcy

See the history of General Motors.

GM, which plans to begin promoting its relisting on the stock exchange to investors this week, wiped out billions of dollars in debt, laid off thousands of employees and jettisoned money-losing brands during its U.S.-funded reorganization last year.

Now it turns out, according to documents filed with federal regulators, the revamping left the car maker with another boost as it prepares to return to the stock market. It won't have to pay $45.4 billion in taxes on future profits.

The tax benefit stems from so-called tax-loss carry-forwards and other provisions, which allow companies to use losses in prior years and costs related to pensions and other expenses to shield profits from U.S. taxes for up to 20 years. In GM's case, the losses stem from years prior to when GM entered bankruptcy.

(Wall Street Journal 11/3/2010)

ROMNEY/RYAN 2012

[sonicfilter]

fetch almighty wrote:

<quoted text>certainly you know that the housing crisis started when Clinton said 'everyone should have a home'. He just forgot to tell them they would have to pay for it. Brooksley Born knew and what happened to her? Clinton fired her.

Yes, I know. I have no memory block of the Clinton years unlike some who wish some right wing publisher was responsible for printing every college economics textbook.

[LOL]

fetch almighty wrote:

<quoted text>Just think if the democrats hadn't blocked the bombing of Iran in 2007-2008 we would be done with Iran now. The people would be free and Israel would be safer.

... and Ol' Doug MacArthur had a good idea regarding North Korea/China as well ... another dumb dem got in the way.

[sonicfilter]

fetch almighty wrote:

<quoted text>Just think if the democrats hadn't blocked the bombing of Iran in 2007-2008 we would be done with Iran now. The people would be free and Israel would be safer.

I try to stay away from supposition.

And doesn't Israel have nukes? How unsafe can they feel?

[Jane Says]

Who cares what you "love", DB? You're the guy who just said Ho Chi Minh "invited the French back" into Indochina. The scope of your stupidity is only exceeded in reverse by the sheer tininess of your little pecker. I guess it's quite possible you were military, maybe ARVN; you're certainly stupid enough... and then there's that tiny pecker...