Barack Obama, our next President

Barack Obama, our next President

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"The road ahead will be long. Our climb will be steep," Obama cautioned. Young and charismatic but with little experience on the national level, Obama smashed through racial barriers and easily defeated ...

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OBAMA LOSE 2012

Saint Petersburg, FL

#767734 Oct 11, 2012
In total, over 2,000 weapons—mostly AK-47s, which are civilian versions of military assault rifles—were allowed to “walk” into Mexico as part of Operation Fast and Furious.[20] Mexican Attorney General Marisela Morales told the Los Angeles Times that she first learned about Operation Fast and Furious from news accounts.“In no way would we have allowed it,” she said,“because it is an attack on the safety of Mexicans.”[21] Former Mexican Attorney General Victor Humberto Benítez Treviño estimates that approximately 300 Mexicans were killed or wounded by Operation Fast and Furious guns, which have been found in the vicinity of at least 200 crime scenes.[22]
Even ATF’s Acting Attaché in Mexico, Carlos Canino, was kept in the dark about this operation. Testifying in July 2011 before the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, Canino noted that “U.S. law enforcement and our Mexican partners will be recovering these guns for a long time to come as they continue to turn up at crime scenes in Mexico and the United States.” Canino also stated that he was infuriated “that people—including my law enforcement, diplomatic and military colleagues—may be killed or injured with these weapons” and noted that the “Sinaloa cartel may have received almost as many guns [as] are needed to arm the entire [U.S. Army’s 75th Ranger] regiment.”[23]
As of July 2011, 227 Operation Fast and Furious guns had been recovered in Mexico and 363 in America; the rest remain unaccounted for.[24] Remarkably, it also seems that two of the targets of Operation Fast and Furious are probably unindictable, having been paid informants of, and designated as national security assets by, the FBI—information that should have been shared within the task force overseeing the investigation.[25]
In January 2012, Patrick Cunningham, Chief of the Criminal Division in the Arizona U.S. Attorney’s Office and the individual who was allegedly tasked with investigating ATF whistleblower allegations, resigned and invoked his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination.[26] Several senior DOJ officials who attended Operation Fast and Furious briefings now claim that they cannot recall key details about what they knew and, in some instances, what they did.[27]
Congress’s Interest in Getting Answers
Given the multitude of questions surrounding Operation Fast and Furious, it makes sense that both Congress and the American public are demanding answers. In furtherance of its legislative functions, Congress’s inquiry might prompt it, among other things, to:
Reassess whether funds that it appropriated to DOJ and ATF were well spent or whether additional restrictions should be placed on such funds in the future;
Examine whether members of the executive branch violated existing law with regard to the conception and implementation of Operation Fast and Furious (for a variety of reasons, including possible grounds for impeachment);
Assess whether the conduct uncovered might warrant additions or modifications to existing federal law, including whether reconsideration of the statutory provisions governing the approval of federal wiretap applications may be necessary;
Assess whether ATF, as currently structured, has the ability to carry out its statutory mission and whether DOJ has the ability to supervise it; and
Assess how and why the interagency task force failed in terms of sharing critical information and whether such failures warrant a statutory “fix.”
Congress also has an inherent right to protect the integrity of its own legislative fact-gathering process and therefore has the right, if not the duty, to investigate whether witnesses perjured themselves during congressional hearings. Congress also has an obligation to consider whether executive branch officials knowingly or recklessly made false statements to Congress, such as those contained in DOJ’s letter of February 4, 2011
OBAMA LOSE 2012

Saint Petersburg, FL

#767735 Oct 11, 2012
, or attempted to obstruct a congressional inquiry by retaliating against cooperating whistleblowers.
In connection with its investigation, the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee has issued subpoenas to DOJ requesting documents in 22 categories.[28] To date, DOJ has not produced any documents in 12 of those categories; nor has it said that it does not have any responsive documents in its possession in those categories. Many of the documents withheld relate to such fundamental questions as who at DOJ knew (or should have known) about the tactics being used in Operation Fast and Furious; how DOJ came to its ultimate conclusion that Operation Fast and Furious was “fundamentally flawed” and what it has done about it; who authorized or was involved in the retaliatory efforts against whistleblowers; and how and where the information exchange among members of the task force broke down.
According to Chairman Issa, DOJ has identified approximately 140,000 pages of responsive documents but has turned over only 7,600 pages,[29] a small fraction of what it produced in connection with prior investigations. Some of the documents that DOJ has produced have been so heavily redacted as to be unintelligible or unhelpful.
In an attempt to partially resolve matters before a contempt vote against Attorney General Holder, Chairman Issa informed him that if DOJ at least produced the responsive documents in its possession that were created after February 4, 2011—documents related to DOJ’s response to Congress and to the whistleblower allegations—the chairman would cancel the committee’s scheduled meeting on June 20 to vote on a resolution holding Holder in contempt. However, Chairman Issa never abandoned his request that DOJ provide the rest of the responsive documents.
The President Invokes Executive Privilege
In a bit of a bait and switch, Attorney General Holder informed the President that the committee had limited its request to the post–February 4 documents and asked the President, in a letter dated June 19, to invoke executive privilege with respect to those documents, which Holder claims “were created after the investigative tactics at issue in [Operation Fast and Furious] had terminated and in the course of the Department’s deliberative process concerning how to respond to congressional and related media inquiries into that operation.”[30] The next day, Deputy Attorney General James Cole informed Chairman Issa in a letter that “the President has asserted executive privilege over the relevant post-February 4, 2011, documents.”[31]
Documents for Which No Claim of Executive Privilege Has Been Asserted. The House resolution finding Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress cited his refusal to turn over subpoenaed documents, which would include those that were not the subject of any claim of privilege and those that Congress believes were being withheld pursuant to an improper claim of privilege. Thus, there can be no reasonable claim that the House has abandoned its request for any of the estimated 132,000 pages of outstanding documents.
Nevertheless, Chairman Issa should reiterate his committee’s insistence that DOJ turn over the documents that are responsive to its subpoenas and for which the President has not invoked executive privilege. Whether the President would assert executive privilege with respect to these documents, or a portion of them, is unknown at this point.
What is necessary to establish the Administration’s good faith, however, is some reasonable and prompt response to the outstanding requests. It is not at all unusual when congressional requests are initiated for the Administration to probe the requester’s purposes and determine whether there is some way to satisfy the congressional purpose short of full compliance.
Obama 2012

Virginia Beach, VA

#767736 Oct 11, 2012
Are You Kidding wrote:
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Unfortunately, he is dead because the Obama administration did not listen to the Ambassadors pleas for more security!!!!!!!!!! It is as simple as that!!!!
He didn't plead for more security. He wanted less American security because he believed the Libyan security in Tripoli was adequate. He traveled to Benghazi from Tripoli without Washington's knowledge. The State department would surely have advised against it had they known.
OBAMA LOSE 2012

Saint Petersburg, FL

#767737 Oct 11, 2012
In such discussions and negotiations between the political branches, there is a continuum between good-faith cooperation or compromise and bad-faith refusal to accommodate the legitimate needs of the other branch.
The Supreme Court has on several occasions recognized Congress’s broad power to look into executive branch actions as auxiliary to its legislative function. As the Court said in McGrain v. Daugherty (1926):
[T]he power of inquiry—with process to enforce it—is an essential and appropriate auxiliary to the legislative function…. A legislative body cannot legislate wisely or effectively in the absence of information respecting the conditions which the legislation is intended to affect or change, and where the legislative body does not itself possess the requisite information—which not infrequently is true—recourse must be had to others who do possess it.[32]
Yet Congress has no power to micromanage the President’s execution of the laws, and it must also respect the President’s chain of command and need for frank and confidential advice.
The general principle that flows from the separation of powers embodied in the Constitution is that each branch owes a duty of comity to the legitimate needs of the other branches. Neither the executive branch nor the legislative branch should automatically prevail in disputes over information requests, but certain corollaries flow from the general principle. For example, Congress should accept different types of information than was requested if such information reasonably satisfies its legitimate legislative functions, especially if the executive has a good reason to withhold the remaining documents or witnesses. On the other hand, when a congressional committee has established its legitimate legislative purpose, a purposeful delay by the executive to respond or a blanket refusal to comply without sufficient accommodations or other information is generally not justified.
As between Congress and the executive branch, various other factors suggest the presence or absence of good-faith negotiations or accommodations. The relative importance or needs of each branch must be taken into account. For instance, a minor concern from the executive branch should yield to a substantial legislative need, and vice versa. Moreover, a simple desire to prevent embarrassment or shield wrongdoing is never a sufficient justification to withhold information when Congress has a legitimate legislative need, and blanket refusals to comply with information requests without adequate detail to evaluate the reason for the refusal suggest bad faith.
Putting aside the detailed claims and counterclaims of each branch regarding each information request in Congress’s investigation of the Operation Fast and Furious scandal, it is incumbent on the Administration to respond with more particularity with respect to all of the outstanding documents and information requests. It is clear that Congress does have several important legislative purposes for its investigation, and the particular facts of the Operation Fast and Furious scandal (both in its operation and in the misstatements to Congress) provide strong justification for Congress to secure the information. Either the executive branch should produce relevant documents or the President should invoke executive privilege as to the portions of them that he can legitimately withhold.
Documents for Which a Claim of Executive Privilege Has Been Asserted. Although the President has now asserted executive privilege with respect to documents created after February 4, DOJ has not produced a privilege log delineating with particularity why the allegedly privileged documents are being withheld. Such a document could serve as a basis for negotiation and compromise with the committee and, failing that, would provide the committee with sufficient information to test the validity of the privilege claim in a court of law.
OBAMA LOSE 2012

Saint Petersburg, FL

#767738 Oct 11, 2012
Historically, challenges to executive privilege rarely reach the courts. The vast majority of disputes over access to information have been resolved through political negotiations. While reviewing courts have expressed reluctance to balance claims of executive privilege against a congressional demand for information, they have acknowledged that they will do so if the political branches have tried in good faith but have failed to reach an accommodation. The President has denied having personally authorized Operation Fast and Furious, but that does not mean that his invocation of executive privilege with respect to the documents that are being withheld is necessarily improper, because there are several species of executive privilege.
Starting with George Washington, Presidents have occasionally asserted a right to preserve the confidentiality of documents and other information in their possession when faced with legislative demands for such records; however, it was not until United States v. Nixon (1974), that the Supreme Court determined that there was a constitutional basis for an assertion of executive privilege grounded in “the supremacy of each branch within its own assigned area of constitutional duties” and in the separation of powers. The Nixon Court recognized the importance of the President’s receiving candid advice and that “[h]uman experience teaches that those who expect public dissemination of their remarks may well temper candor with the concern for appearances and for their own interests to the detriment of the decisionmaking process.”[33]
Although a President’s communications with his close advisers were considered “presumptively privileged,” the Court rejected the contention that the privilege was absolute and unreviewable. In that case, the Court held that President Nixon’s assertion of a generalized need for confidentiality could not be used to shield wrongdoing and had to yield to the Watergate Special Prosecutor’s need for audiotapes of Oval Office conversations that the President had with his colleagues in connection with criminal charges that had been brought against members of the President’s Administration.
The general principle that executive privilege cannot be used to shield wrongdoing may well be at issue in the Operation Fast and Furious investigation, especially since misstatements were made to Congress and not corrected for many months. In short, Congress has a right to probe the President’s rather broad and imprecise claim of privilege.
Cases after the Watergate era have distinguished between the “presidential communications privilege” and the “deliberative process privilege.” Both are forms of executive privilege designed to protect the confidentiality of executive branch decision making and must be asserted by the President, but they are not equal in their breadth or strength.
The presidential communications privilege, which requires a high showing of need by Congress or the courts to overcome, applies only to direct decision making by the President and covers communications made or received by the President or by presidential advisers in the course of preparing advice for the President—even if those communications are not made directly to him. Recognizing the danger to open government if the privilege were to be extended too broadly, the D.C. Circuit in In re Sealed Case (Espy) stated:
Not every person who plays a role in the development of presidential advice, no matter how remote and removed from the President, can qualify for the privilege. In particular, the privilege should not extend to staff outside the White House in executive branch agencies…. Only communications at that level are close enough to the President to be revelatory of his deliberations or to pose a risk to the candor of his advisers.[34]
The privilege has been limited largely to those White House staff members in “operational proximity” to direct presidential decision making.
Obama 2012

Virginia Beach, VA

#767739 Oct 11, 2012
OBAMA LOSE 2012 wrote:
<quoted text>Say that when you lose your job!!It is the SOS Obama can to no wrong??
Employment has risen steadily under President Obama.
OBAMA LOSE 2012

Saint Petersburg, FL

#767740 Oct 11, 2012
Although difficult to discern, it does not appear as though President Obama is relying upon this privilege with respect to the Operation Fast and Furious documents, or at least not many of them.
The deliberative process privilege, on the other hand, is rooted in the common law and applies to decision making by executive officials other than the President. This more limited privilege, which requires less of a showing of need to overcome, allows the government to withhold “advisory opinions, recommendations and deliberations comprising part of a process by which governmental decisions and policies are formulated.”[35] It is this privilege upon which the President appears to be relying with respect to the Operation Fast and Furious documents.
In Espy, the D.C. Circuit recognized that, with respect to both privileges:
[C]ourts must balance the public interests at stake in determining whether the privilege should yield in a particular case, and must specifically consider the need of the party seeking privileged evidence. But this balancing is more ad hoc in the context of the deliberative process privilege, and includes consideration of additional factors such as whether the government is a party to the litigation. Moreover, the privilege disappears altogether when there is any reason to believe government misconduct occurred. On the other hand, a party seeking to overcome the presidential privilege seemingly must always provide a focused demonstration of need, even when there are allegations of misconduct by high-level officials.[36]
“The deliberative process privilege,” the Espy court further stated,“does not shield documents that simply state or explain a decision the government has already made or protect material that is purely factual, unless the material is so inextricably intertwined with the deliberative sections of documents that its disclosure would inevitably reveal the government's deliberations.”[37] Moreover,“where there is reason to believe the documents sought may shed light on government misconduct, the privilege is routinely denied, on the grounds that shielding internal government deliberations in this context does not serve the public’s interest in honest, effective government.”[38]
In 2007, the House Committee on the Judiciary initiated an investigation after DOJ requested and received the resignations of nine U.S. Attorneys. The White House offered to produce communications between presidential advisers and DOJ, but the committee insisted on the production of purely internal White House communications, which strike closer to the core of the President’s express constitutional powers and are entitled to greater deference than the documents being sought in the Operation Fast and Furious investigation. When the White House refused to comply, the House voted to hold White House Counsel Harriet Miers and White House Chief of Staff Joshua Bolton in contempt.[39]
That case involved a congressional investigation into whether the President acted properly in asking for the resignations of individuals who were politically appointed executive branch employees pursuant to a power vested exclusively in the President under the Appointments Clause in the Constitution. The current investigation, on the other hand, involves the death of a federal agent, the deaths of scores of Mexican citizens, over 2,000 weapons “walking” into Mexico without the Mexican government’s knowledge, and potential retaliation against individuals assisting Congress’s investigation—all clearly matters of congressional concern.
In the investigation surrounding the dismissal of the U.S. Attorneys, the President and Congress eventually reached an acceptable compromise in which the committee was permitted to review all of the subpoenaed documents with “the exception of 4 pages of particularly sensitive privileged material” that were described to committee staff.[40] The President waived executive privilege with respect to the remainder of the documents.
OBAMA LOSE 2012

Saint Petersburg, FL

#767741 Oct 11, 2012
Where There Is Smoke…

Given the significance of Congress’s inquiry, the President should waive the privilege unless the communications in question were directly to, or came directly from, him. Avoiding the disclosure of factual and potentially embarrassing information or wrongdoing is not a sufficient reason to withhold information from Congress.

Whether this is what the Administration is attempting to do or whether the President’s invocation of executive privilege is proper with respect to the Operation Fast and Furious documents cannot be determined because of the Administration’s failure to provide detailed and specific information about the documents. Usually, however, where there’s smoke there’s fire, and the American people and the families of Brian Terry and the other victims of Operation Fast and Furious deserve answers.

—John G. Malcolm is a Senior Legal Fellow in the Center for Legal & Judicial Studies at The Heritage Foundation.
Are You Kidding

Frankfort, KY

#767742 Oct 11, 2012
Obama 2012 wrote:
<quoted text>He didn't plead for more security. He wanted less American security because he believed the Libyan security in Tripoli was adequate. He traveled to Benghazi from Tripoli without Washington's knowledge. The State department would surely have advised against it had they known.
Says Ambassador Stevens Wanted His Team to Stay in Libya Past August

U.S. Ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens wanted a Security Support Team, made up of 16 special operations soldiers, to stay with him in Libya after their deployment was scheduled to end in August, the commander of that security team told ABC News.
OBAMA LOSE 2012

Saint Petersburg, FL

#767744 Oct 11, 2012
Obama 2012 wrote:
<quoted text>Employment has risen steadily under President Obama.
Obama tells lies and the media report them
Published: October 6, 2012

When will the media honestly report the news? Except for Fox News and talk radio, everyone is on the Obama bandwagon. You can include NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, PBS and most newspapers. Obama tells lies and the media dutifully report them.

A prime example of media bias was the report of Mitt Romney's speech in which he stated that as far as the election was concerned he could discount about 47 percent of Americans. He explained further that all the entitlements many of these groups receive would make them hesitant to vote for him. He never said he didn't care about their welfare. Romney's life has been one of service and giving. Because of his wealth (honestly earned) he believes he has a responsibility to help others. Unlike our president, Mitt Romney is a deeply religious man who does not lie. In contrast, President Obama has been spouting lies and distortions since his first campaign in 2008.

For example, the falsehoods concerning Obamacare are many. We were told Obamacare will not raise taxes, there will be no rationing of care, you will keep your old insurance if you want to, and there will be no Medicare cuts to fund this plan. All lies.

The latest series of lies put forth by President Obama and his stooge, Jay Carney, about the death of our Libyan ambassador and three other Americans is unbelievable. Their claim that a movie criticizing Mohammed was the reason for the assault is a lie. President Obama had the audacity to state this at the United Nations. The Libyan prime minister told a completely different story - the truth! Our intelligence services and the Libyan Prime Minister said this attack on our embassy, and subsequently other American embassies throughout the Mid-east were premeditated.

While the Mideast continues to burn and our flag is defiled, our commander-in-chief is doing television appearances with Jay-Z, Beyonce, Letterman, and the View. This very busy schedule left him no time to meet with our Israeli allies to discuss the crises in the Mideast. President Obama has his priorities. Unfortunately they do not include keeping America safe.

Since President Obama is in office, gas, food prices, and energy prices have risen steadily. President Obama nixed the Keystone Pipeline but has assisted Brazil and others to drill and finance their energy projects. Coal mines in Virginia and Pennsylvania are closing as you read this while our national debt rises by billions every day.
Obama is a joke

Emmaus, PA

#767745 Oct 11, 2012
Obama 2012 wrote:
<quoted text>Employment has risen steadily under President Obama.
So has the number of people needing welfare.
Obama is a joke

Emmaus, PA

#767747 Oct 11, 2012
Obama is a joke wrote:
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So has the number of people needing welfare.
So has the number of people who have given up looking for a job.
Obama is a joke

Emmaus, PA

#767748 Oct 11, 2012
So has the number of underemployed.
Obama is a joke

Emmaus, PA

#767749 Oct 11, 2012
So has the number of people who lost their fulltime jobs and their health insurance.
Obama 2012

Virginia Beach, VA

#767750 Oct 11, 2012
Obama is a joke wrote:
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So has the number of people needing welfare.
Because of President Obama's brilliant leadership, he will be re-elected by a landslide in November, possibly by the biggest margin in American history.
OBAMA-BIDEN 2012 - FOUR MORE GREAT YEARS!!
Obama 2012

Virginia Beach, VA

#767751 Oct 11, 2012
Obama is a joke wrote:
So has the number of people who lost their fulltime jobs and their health insurance.
Because of President Obama's brilliant leadership, he will be re-elected by a landslide in November, possibly by the biggest margin in American history.
OBAMA-BIDEN 2012 - FOUR MORE GREAT YEARS!!
Obama 2012

Virginia Beach, VA

#767752 Oct 11, 2012
Obama is a joke wrote:
<quoted text>
So has the number of people who have given up looking for a job.
Because of President Obama's brilliant leadership, he will be re-elected by a landslide in November, possibly by the biggest margin in American history.
OBAMA-BIDEN 2012 - FOUR MORE GREAT YEARS!!
Obama 2012

Virginia Beach, VA

#767753 Oct 11, 2012
Obama is a joke wrote:
So has the number of underemployed.
Because of President Obama's brilliant leadership, he will be re-elected by a landslide in November, possibly by the biggest margin in American history.
OBAMA-BIDEN 2012 - FOUR MORE GREAT YEARS!!
Obama 2012

Virginia Beach, VA

#767755 Oct 11, 2012
Obama is a joke wrote:
So has the number of people who lost their fulltime jobs and their health insurance.
A vast majority of people who lose their jobs lose them due to poor work ethic, incompetence, laziness or all three. More and more of today's businesses are replacing the "deadwood" with more efficient, competent employees. Most people who lose their jobs have nobody to blame but themselves.
OBAMA LOSE 2012

Saint Petersburg, FL

#767756 Oct 11, 2012
Obama 2012 wrote:
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Because of Romney brilliant leadership, he will be re-elected by a landslide in November, possibly by the biggest margin in American history.
ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 - FOUR MORE GREAT YEARS!!
NOW YOU GET IT!!!

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