Smokeless casinos await fate

EAST ST. LOUIS, Ill. - They've been puffing away at penny and nickel slots in the glitzy Casino Queen, taking slow drags playing video poker at the bar and lighting up in the hallways while digesting winnings ... Read more
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Pete

Chicago, IL

#1 Dec 31, 2007
Good riddance to the gambling smokers. Do they realize how many older people who gamble have breathing or lung problems, people whom the gamblers shut out with their selfish practice of blowing smoke all over the gambling hall?
It's one thing to have a bad habit that affects only the perpetrator; it's another to have one that inconveniences, threatens the health of others, or stops others from participation...all due to selfish inconsideration. To the smokers: Go stink up Missouri and Iowa!
Tom

Chicago, IL

#2 Dec 31, 2007
Grow up Pete!

I'm a non-smoker and I don't really like smoky places, but the self-righteousness of all you guys on these forums over the past few days has been disgusting. I'd much rather hang out with 100 chain smokers in a tiny room than all of you fascists.

You want to know why those older gamblers have breathing or lung problems? It's the unfiltered luckies they were smoking back during the war. You reap what you sow.

What next Pete? Peanuts because 1.3% of the population is allergic and could be killed by them? Pork because 1.7% of America thinks that they're religiously unclean?

No one is guaranteed good health, and I should never expect anyone else to care about the fact that I'm allergic to this, or have problems breathing or whatever. You health is YOUR problem, not the governments and not your fellow mans. The thing is there really isn't any proof that secondhand smoke is actually dangerous. The tobacco industry says it is not, well of course they do, they are indeed biased. The American Heart and Lung association says that it's the worst thing ever, but they're biased too aren't they? Don't they get paid to make the claim that secondhand smoke is dangerous?

The point really isn't about health though. The point is that these casinos should be able to decide what to allow on their premises. You and your elderly gambling buddies have the right to not go there. My family is in the casino business and I've visited at least 25 casinos in my 28 years of life. I've never yet been in one without a non-smoking area. "But the air isn't filtered enough!" Well, tough. Get over it, or don't go. I avoid bars because I don't like the horrific noise pollution - I can't hear in them at all. I'd really like to go to bars with my friends but I see no point in going because I cannot hear anyone once I get there. Why don't you use the same tact with the casinos and other smoky areas. Don't like it, don't go.

Either that, or just go ahead and admit, it's not about health, it's not about safety, it's not about anything but you. You and your selfish buddies who want everything to go your way. You, who wants everyone else to stop doing something you don't like. It's about controlling others, isn't it?

"THE YEAR WAS 2081, and everybody was finally equal."

BTW Pete, nothing personal against you, I'm sure your a fine person when you aren't whining. You just were the only name up there when I started here.
LES

United States

#5 Dec 31, 2007
I just love these people that defend smokers and then claim they are non-smokers. I believe they are liars, but we'll never know from an anonymous forum, will we? Hey Tom, grow up! You're a panic peddler with your slippery slope arguments. Casinos are state-licensed which gives the state to pass rules concerning them. You blame Pete, but he did pass or sign the new law. To "I hit back", Pete is not to blame if some nicotine-addicted nutbag pulls a trigger. The sad thing here is how many people can't go anywhere without their firesticks. You can gamble without them, eat in restaurants without them, or anything else. But to hear nicotine addicts tell it, life is hardly worth living if they can't can't suck smoke from weeds into their lungs. Fascism is telling people they cannot allow non-smoking activities to be enjoyed unless willing to breather smoke. The facsism is finaly being ended.
All I know is

Elmhurst, IL

#6 Dec 31, 2007
I'm glad Illinois is protecting those who do not smoke and would like to enjoy bowling, eating at restaurants and other public places. John Cullerton, you're my hero!
Non Smoking Girl

Elmhurst, IL

#7 Dec 31, 2007
You have to be kidding me with your post, Pete. It never fails to amaze me how hornery smokers get over being told to take themselves elsewhere. Do you know why smokers must leave the premises and not non-smokers? It is because smokers are the public danger in this scenario. That's right - their smoke contributes directly to carginogens entering others' bodies. If you smokers want to kill yourselves, be my guest, but don't include me in your lifelong suicide attempts. Nicotine is not water, or gum, it is a drug, and it can kill people. That's why smokers are banned around the world and non-smokers can finally breathe easy.
Bob

Chicago, IL

#8 Jan 1, 2008
Now that they got the bars and casinos, look out leaf burners, you're next.SPRINGFIELD -- Fresh off urging lawmakers to ban most indoor smoking in Illinois, the American Lung Association might turn its efforts toward pushing for a statewide ban on burning leaves next year.

American Lung Association of Illinois spokeswoman Kathy Drea said a ban on leaf burning is an issue they regularly think about. With a victory on their coveted smoking ban out of the way, she said they might consider turning some attention to leaves.

Many Illinois communities, including most all of the state's larger cities, already ban leaf burning. But several attempts to do the same statewide have failed.

Drea said she will probably look for a lawmaker to sponsor a leaf-burning ban soon. If someone agrees, they're assured a tough fight, Drea said.
From the Dec 30 Bloomington, IL. Pantagraph
Bob

Chicago, IL

#9 Jan 1, 2008
These California fruits and nuts seem to think they can come to Chicago and just snap their fingers with their "coveted smoking ban" at a guy who worked in a mill all day and make him stop smoking. Learning from prohibition, I see changes in the "coveted smoking ban coming fairly soon.
Tom

United States

#10 Jan 1, 2008
LES. To answer your ascertation that you don't believe that those of us claiming to be non-smokers in actuality are smokers, I will concede that I am a former smoker. I quite a little less than a year ago, and it is still hard for me to be around smokers as the smell and sight of cigarettes increases the temptation to relapse. I guarantee that I understand better than any person who has never smoked how annoying being around smokers can be. To have a nagging sensation inside your chest, a persistent longing every time you see it or smell it. To realize that I used to smell like that all the time. Yeah, smoking sucks. Yes, it is unhealthy. But that's not what it's about. It's also not about some right to smoke. I have no constitutional right to smoke, and despite what so many people think, you have no constitutional right to good health (and you can get all the same smoking related diseases without ever having seen a cigarette). The problem I have is that the rights of the property owners are being violated. Yes, I think that the right of a business owner to decide what goes on in their place of business is more important than your health. Just as a business owner should be allowed to refuse service to anyone for any reason, likewise you can choose not to patronize a business that allows smoking, or for any other reason you see fit. Learn to vote with your feet. There were plenty of smoke free business out there before the ban. I've been visiting them pretty much exclusively since I quit. There's a very easy way to get rid of secondhand smoke, it's called walking away.
Bob

Chicago, IL

#11 Jan 1, 2008
Kathy Drea might have problems finding a lawmaker in Illinois to push for a statewide ban on leaf burning. Unlike smokers,I don't know of any habitual leaf burners who would buy drugs to overcome their habit. I'm curious about California, which burns every summer. Do they currently have statewide bans on all outdoor fires and fireplaces where the bans are really NEEDED. She would have much better luck pushing her ideas on California.
Skoal Sales Up

Columbus, OH

#12 Jan 1, 2008
Everyone just start chewing and see how well they like a sit bottle on the table.
Skoal Sales Up

Columbus, OH

#13 Jan 1, 2008
Since it's a workplace ban, I'm waiting for tickets to those who smoke on the street, as we have city workers working, or at least putting in their time, operating street sweepers, garbage trucks, etc. Hell, they'll even use it to protect the panhandlers workplace.
As for the gov't license being a reason they can regulate everything you do, then everyone just stop getting a state license.
I think we are way past the 20 years Ben Franklin mentioned back when our "free" nation was formed. They think it's wrong for the gov't to pay for medical costs for smokers and I for one think it's more illegal to use my tax dollars to pay for illegals to receive any benefits in this country, from emergency healthcare to education. They want to tell me how to live, they better do their job and start enforcing the laws before the American public starts doing it for them.

“You can't handle the TRUTH!”

Since: Sep 07

Chicago

#14 Jan 1, 2008
It is a short drive to the Horseshoe casino in Hammond, IN. from Chicago.

I can take the Casino bus over to the Horseshoe Casino from the North side of Chicago. No driving worries and no traffic headaches!

Chicago and Illinois missed this boat badly and now they suffer with no tax revenues!

Hey Mayor Daley, are you listening people are voting you out with their feet!
Marshall

Waukegan, IL

#15 Jan 1, 2008
Just wait, alcohol is next.
The nanny-staters hate freedom.

No CHOICE FOR YOU!! You must do as I WANT you to do...

Papers Please!
Kowboy

Glencoe, IL

#16 Jan 1, 2008
Again, Blago in is infinite wisdom, makes another dumb decision for the citizens of Illinois. Maybe, all the taxpayers who don't smoke ought to be charged for the lost revenue.
no name needed

Frankfort, IL

#17 Jan 1, 2008
Well, I am not a smoker never have been, and I am glad that the non smoking ban is here and I hope to stay, not because I am some sort of fascists because I could careless if you want to smoke your brains out.

I have two adult kids now 20 and 23 who were diagnosed with an incurable genetic lung disease called Cystic Fibrosis (I dare you to look it up) at the ages of 12 and 15. We have missed out on family activities because we could not go to places where smoking was allowed. Now at least they don't have to make the decision of not enjoying the things that others enjoy, they can go without thinking twice.

And yes, although I love the smell of fresh burning leaves, my kids cough and gag with the lung spasms just walking outside sometimes on a cool fall day.

My point? Not all people who have lung issues have them by choice. Those who smoke choose to do that and they choose to introduce those potential if not deadly toxins into their system.

My kids as well as the other 30,000 infants, children and young adults in the United States didn't choose cystic fibrosis, but they too have a right to a clean smoke free environment.

Please don't make your nasty comments to me until you have walked in my shoes and lived with what I have lived with and how difficult it is to watch your children live with this horrible disease and pray they will live past the average age for someone with CF which is 36 years old. Don't call me a fascists, call me a concerned person who cares about my kids and all the others out there who deal with lung issues not due to their own bad habits!!!!!!
crafty b

Chicago, IL

#18 Jan 1, 2008
no name needed wrote:
Well, I am not a smoker never have been, and I am glad that the non smoking ban is here and I hope to stay, not because I am some sort of fascists because I could careless if you want to smoke your brains out.
I have two adult kids now 20 and 23 who were diagnosed with an incurable genetic lung disease called Cystic Fibrosis (I dare you to look it up) at the ages of 12 and 15. We have missed out on family activities because we could not go to places where smoking was allowed. Now at least they don't have to make the decision of not enjoying the things that others enjoy, they can go without thinking twice.
And yes, although I love the smell of fresh burning leaves, my kids cough and gag with the lung spasms just walking outside sometimes on a cool fall day.
My point? Not all people who have lung issues have them by choice. Those who smoke choose to do that and they choose to introduce those potential if not deadly toxins into their system.
My kids as well as the other 30,000 infants, children and young adults in the United States didn't choose cystic fibrosis, but they too have a right to a clean smoke free environment.
Please don't make your nasty comments to me until you have walked in my shoes and lived with what I have lived with and how difficult it is to watch your children live with this horrible disease and pray they will live past the average age for someone with CF which is 36 years old. Don't call me a fascists, call me a concerned person who cares about my kids and all the others out there who deal with lung issues not due to their own bad habits!!!!!!
Ummm... what in the heck does that have to do with a smoking ban? Sorry 'bout your kids and all, but I don't quite follow how other people's rights to dictate what legal activities go on behind the closed doors of their own property has to do with your sick kids.
Mike Carasotti

Chicago, IL

#19 Jan 1, 2008
When it all shakes out, they'll make some exemption or say something insulting like "it's on water it's exempt" when they see their numbers drop... like the "no land based casino" what do they do? put a boat with no engine in a lagoon. It's all about them separating you from your money, so you'll see some "adjusting" of the law that means there will be no total ban. Smarten up and vote these crooks out. You won't.
Elisabeth Bitter

Wilmette, IL

#20 Jan 1, 2008
LES wrote:
I just love these people that defend smokers and then claim they are non-smokers. I believe they are liars ...Fascism is telling people they cannot allow non-smoking activities to be enjoyed unless willing to breather smoke. The facsism is finaly being ended.
Who the heck are you, LES, to call me a liar?? I am a non-smoker and have been for over 20 years. And you are calling my husband a liar who NEVER smoked in his life. Neither one of us support this law nor the legislators who foisted it on us.

We don't like smoking and think it a disgusting habit but we, unlike many other non-smokers it appears, can make the intelligent, mature choice not to enter an establishment which allows smoking.

I believe it would it have been more reasonable to set air quality limits for private businesses and for each private business to hang a large, clear sign in the window indicating whether they allowed smoking or not. Their advertising for customers would have also clearly indicate whether smoking is allowed. In both cases, an educated nonsmoker could decide, before entering, whether they want to spend their money there; the nonsmoker always had the ability to suggest to the owner that more customers might come if the property became non-smoking. When the bar, restaurant, bowling alley, banquet hall, or casino placed a want ad, they would be required to identify whether the employee is expected to work in a smoking environment and thereby allowing an individual to decide whether they want to work in such a situation.

I do not like what is happening to our state and I will vote against any legislator who voted for this bill and any politician who supported it. I will take my money out of state at every opportunity just to keep the revenue out of their pockets.

And, btw, LES, your defintion of fascism is flawed. Fascism is an authoritarian political ideology (generally tied to a mass movement) that considers individual and social interests subordinate to the interests of the state. Welcome to Illinois!
Heather L

Bronxville, NY

#21 Jan 1, 2008
With this State is such disarray, you would think they would do things to attract revenue. I live in Cook county, and I am a smoker. I have been forced to buy my cigarettes outside Cook (lost revenue)and now I will go to Indiana for my gaming(lost revenue). Do things to make people want to spend their money in your state and county, don't push people out of it...
clyde

Brunswick, GA

#22 Jan 1, 2008
First pate, then cigarettes. Next? Trans-fats, soft drinks, fast food, meat, beer, wine, liquor, fast women, loose morals, X-rated videos, etc ad infinitum. The Nanny State is ever-expanding, and will reach further and further into your diet, habits, and life. Big Brother is watching...

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