Kuuipo

Monterey, CA

#61 Apr 9, 2013
RACE wrote:
I have to disagree. It is not just aping the ritual if you choose to do it. I dont see that as insulting. If there was something specific that only those as that faith could do (communion), and you were to do that, then I can see you saying it is insulting.
But standing, kneeling, chanting, praying or dancing are all things that anyone in the building are allowed to do and I dont see why anyone would take offense to it.
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When my friends and I were in Peru, we went into a beautiful Catholic church. They are Catholic and I am not. When they pulled out the kneeling bench, I knelt down and prayed with them. My friends did not seem offended. We also went to a church at the top of a hill in Lima and they bought candles and gave one to me to light and say a prayer over. I would never dream of taking communion or participating in any ritual specific to a particular religion. To me, prayer is universal, and kneeling is non-specific.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

#62 Apr 9, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
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You aren't supposed to receive communion in a Catholic church, if you are not a Catholic. So, you aren't supposed to partake in their norms or traditions, unless you are one of them.
I took communion, too. Maybe it was wrong, but I've been baptized, I take communion at "my" church, and it's not like it's a different God (I can see your point if I took communion at a mosque or at a Buddha temple-- THEN there's a difference) but I don't really see anything wrong with taking communion of a common Savior, even though they're technically a different "religion."

Besides, of all the things I've done, I doubt God's biggest problem with me is that I took communion at a Catholic church!
;)

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Since: Feb 09

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#63 Apr 9, 2013
communion I agree with, but as for the rest, if they dont want you to participate maybe they should post the rules or just lock the doors of they dont want any heathen stinking up the place.
Sublime1 wrote:
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You aren't supposed to receive communion in a Catholic church, if you are not a Catholic. So, you aren't supposed to partake in their norms or traditions, unless you are one of them.

“...,to wit”

Since: Jun 09

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#64 Apr 9, 2013
RACE wrote:
communion I agree with, but as for the rest, if they dont want you to participate maybe they should post the rules or just lock the doors of they dont want any heathen stinking up the place.
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They announce who is invited to the table, i.e. who can take Communion. Many places, if you go up , the officiant will offer you a blessing instead of the wafer. The usual signal is to hold your program in your hands instead of reaching for the bread or opening your mouth..

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#65 Apr 9, 2013
RACE wrote:
I have to disagree. It is not just aping the ritual if you choose to do it. I dont see that as insulting. If there was something specific that only those as that faith could do (communion), and you were to do that, then I can see you saying it is insulting.
But standing, kneeling, chanting, praying or dancing are all things that anyone in the building are allowed to do and I dont see why anyone would take offense to it.
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I suppose you could (and did) argue that choosing to do it makes a difference, but my point is that if one doesn't really believe in the...meaning (I guess?) of what is being done then it's choosing to mimic it rather than participating in the spiritual communion. I don't think I'm really explaining myself well, but I'm eyeball deep in the Mai Lai massacre and North Vietnam's use of Jane Fonda for propaganda (seriously) so I really don't care about this anymore. Edog was just annoying me (big surprise) this morning. <shrug>

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#66 Apr 9, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
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I took communion, too. Maybe it was wrong, but I've been baptized, I take communion at "my" church, and it's not like it's a different God (I can see your point if I took communion at a mosque or at a Buddha temple-- THEN there's a difference) but I don't really see anything wrong with taking communion of a common Savior, even though they're technically a different "religion."
Besides, of all the things I've done, I doubt God's biggest problem with me is that I took communion at a Catholic church!
;)
Just because...if you knew all that you think you do you would know that the Muslim god is the Christian god, is the Jewish god and all claim descent through Abraham (yeah, the one from the bible). Ok, now I'm done.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

#67 Apr 9, 2013
Mimi Seattle wrote:
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Just because...if you knew all that you think you do you would know that the Muslim god is the Christian god, is the Jewish god and all claim descent through Abraham (yeah, the one from the bible). Ok, now I'm done.
Muhammad is not my Jesus and the Buddha savior is... well, whoever it is, but it's probably not my Jesus either. BIG DIFFERENCE.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

#68 Apr 9, 2013
RACE wrote:
if they dont want you to participate maybe they should post the rules or just lock the doors of they dont want any heathen stinking up the place.
True. The church is open to all. Okay, so we won't make you handle snakes or eat the bread or drink the cyanide-laced cool-aid, but at LEAST bow your head when we pray. You're in a house of God. No one cares you're not a believer, you are in THEIR company, they are not in yours. Show respect for THEIR beliefs.

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#69 Apr 9, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
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Muhammad is not my Jesus and the Buddha savior is... well, whoever it is, but it's probably not my Jesus either. BIG DIFFERENCE.
You're an idiot (big surprise) I said "God" not "Jesus." Dolt. The Christians, Jews, and Muslims all believe in the same GOD. They also believe in (most of) the same prophets such as Abraham, etc.,(including Jesus) but that's just a little too complex of a thing to explain to your itty bitty little brain.

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Since: Feb 09

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#70 Apr 9, 2013
Point of curiosity.
PEllen, you are/were jewish...
I recall that there were those little jewish hats (forget the term and no disrespect implie,,, Yammicas!)

Anyway they had them outside of temple proper(is that right) for those who did not have one. I always took one and wore it when entering the actual (whatever you call it).

Point being.... Was I wrong for taking one and wearing it? I never ment to disrespect, and thought they were put there so that i could show the proper respect inside their house of worship.
edogxxx wrote:
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True. The church is open to all. Okay, so we won't make you handle snakes or eat the bread or drink the cyanide-laced cool-aid, but at LEAST bow your head when we pray. You're in a house of God. No one cares you're not a believer, you are in THEIR company, they are not in yours. Show respect for THEIR beliefs.

“...,to wit”

Since: Jun 09

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#71 Apr 9, 2013
RACE wrote:
Point of curiosity.
PEllen, you are/were jewish...
I recall that there were those little jewish hats (forget the term and no disrespect implie,,, Yammicas!)
Anyway they had them outside of temple proper(is that right) for those who did not have one. I always took one and wore it when entering the actual (whatever you call it).
Point being.... Was I wrong for taking one and wearing it? I never ment to disrespect, and thought they were put there so that i could show the proper respect inside their house of worship.
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Yamulka.

No you were not wrong. In Conservative and Orthodox Judaism it is a mark of respect to cover your head in the presence of God. Women are also supposed to cover their head . Think of the Sabras with their kerchiefs.

Conservative Jews just require this in temple, not on the street; Orthodox want you to cover your head all the time

In Reform Judaism men's head's are not covered because when Moses spoke to God in the burning bush, Moses' head was not covered.

Some things are marks of respect, some things are marks of reverence and some things are sacraments. I have attended church fairly regularly for a very long time. I sit, stand, fold my hands and be quiet , sometimes bow my head. I do not kneel in a Catholic or Episcopalian service because to me that is worship and I do not worship Christ. I do not participate in the sacraments because I am not a believer and to my mind it would disrespect the believers for me to do so.

Since: Jan 10

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#73 Apr 10, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
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I took communion, too. Maybe it was wrong, but I've been baptized, I take communion at "my" church, and it's not like it's a different God (I can see your point if I took communion at a mosque or at a Buddha temple-- THEN there's a difference) but I don't really see anything wrong with taking communion of a common Savior, even though they're technically a different "religion."
Besides, of all the things I've done, I doubt God's biggest problem with me is that I took communion at a Catholic church!
;)
Communion is different for CAtholics. For PRotestants, the wine and cracker *represent* Jesus' blood and flesh. They are clearly symbolic. For Catholics, the wine IS Jesus' blood and the wafer IS his flesh.

Noncatholics are NOT supposed to take communion in a CAtholic church, and vice versa.

Since: Aug 08

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#74 Apr 10, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
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I took communion, too. Maybe it was wrong, but I've been baptized, I take communion at "my" church, and it's not like it's a different God (I can see your point if I took communion at a mosque or at a Buddha temple-- THEN there's a difference) but I don't really see anything wrong with taking communion of a common Savior, even though they're technically a different "religion."
Besides, of all the things I've done, I doubt God's biggest problem with me is that I took communion at a Catholic church!
;)
Whoa there Nelly. This whole conversation started with you accusing Angela of being disrespectful. You accuse her of that on one hand, but on the other hand feel it's okay for you to blatantly disregard the rules of the Catholic Church?

Btw, using your logic, despite it being terribly faulty, I'm pretty sure god has bigger problems than worrying about what Angela is doing or not doing in church.

Since: Jan 10

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#75 Apr 10, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
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Whoa there Nelly. This whole conversation started with you accusing Angela of being disrespectful. You accuse her of that on one hand, but on the other hand feel it's okay for you to blatantly disregard the rules of the Catholic Church?
Btw, using your logic, despite it being terribly faulty, I'm pretty sure god has bigger problems than worrying about what Angela is doing or not doing in church.
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#76 Apr 10, 2013
RACE wrote:
communion I agree with, but as for the rest, if they dont want you to participate maybe they should post the rules or just lock the doors of they dont want any heathen stinking up the place.
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Outside of communion, I don't think they care either way if you participate. I think they are happy to have folks of other denominations attend and worship with them or even just be in their presence. When I used to go to Catholic church I wouldn't have felt offended if someone who wasn't Catholic attended mass and more or less just observed.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

United States

#77 Apr 10, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
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I'm pretty sure god has bigger problems than worrying about what Angela is doing or not doing in church.
I never said God is the one who would have the issue.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

United States

#78 Apr 10, 2013
Mimi Seattle wrote:
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You're an idiot (big surprise) I said "God" not "Jesus." Dolt. The Christians, Jews, and Muslims all believe in the same GOD. They also believe in (most of) the same prophets such as Abraham, etc.,(including Jesus) but that's just a little too complex of a thing to explain to your itty bitty little brain.
What the hell are babbeling about?! None of this was ever a part of my argument.

Since: Aug 08

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#79 Apr 10, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
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I never said God is the one who would have the issue.
You felt the congregation might, but then when it comes to you, you rationalize that it's perfectly okay for you to go to a Catholic Church, violate their rules and take communion, even though they don't want you to. huh? What's up wit dat?

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#80 Apr 10, 2013
RACE wrote:
Point of curiosity.
PEllen, you are/were jewish...
I recall that there were those little jewish hats (forget the term and no disrespect implie,,, Yammicas!)
Anyway they had them outside of temple proper(is that right) for those who did not have one. I always took one and wore it when entering the actual (whatever you call it).
Point being.... Was I wrong for taking one and wearing it? I never ment to disrespect, and thought they were put there so that i could show the proper respect inside their house of worship.
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Point of curiosity about your curiosity.

From the sounds of it, you were going into a temple unaccompanied by a member(otherwise I imagine you could have asked that person these questions). Additionally, it sounds like you went on more than one occasion. Why? What were you, a non jew, going to a temple for, if not specifically invited by someone from that temple?

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me!

#81 Apr 10, 2013
Funerals, Since the only peeps I knew at the temple were the family of deceased, did not want to ask them or a stranger. I just kinda did what everyone else was doing.
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>Point of curiosity about your curiosity.
From the sounds of it, you were going into a temple unaccompanied by a member(otherwise I imagine you could have asked that person these questions). Additionally, it sounds like you went on more than one occasion. Why? What were you, a non jew, going to a temple for, if not specifically invited by someone from that temple?

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