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Since: Feb 13

Cedar Grove, TN

#41 Apr 9, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
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You are correct. I do not understand this line of thinking. I've been to Catholic services, and when it came time to kneel on that uncomfortable board, I did so, even though that's not my thing. I just don't see what the deal is.
IMO you don't do something you don't believe in because it diminishes it. Kneeling, taking communion, etc. is for people for whom those activities hold meaning.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

United States

#42 Apr 9, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
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Hypothetical.
You were raised as a church goer. Once you left the house, you stopped going, yet still consider that to be your religion. You have a child. Your mother expects you to get your child baptized. Do you do it?
My religion doesn't baptize babies. That decision is made by the child hizzer self.

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#43 Apr 9, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
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Oh, spare me.
Bite me.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

United States

#44 Apr 9, 2013
Sam I Am GEAM wrote:
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IMO you don't do something you don't believe in because it diminishes it.
I don't believe it does.

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Since: Mar 09

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#45 Apr 9, 2013
Sam I Am GEAM wrote:
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IMO you don't do something you don't believe in because it diminishes it. Kneeling, taking communion, etc. is for people for whom those activities hold meaning.
He still doesn't get it. Bet if he went inside of a mosque on Friday afternoon he would suddenly have to much personal integrity to partake of the prayers. Just a hunch you understand. <shrug>

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#46 Apr 9, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
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My religion doesn't baptize babies. That decision is made by the child hizzer self.
So pretend you were raised catholic.

Since: Jan 10

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#47 Apr 9, 2013
Sam I Am GEAM wrote:
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IMO you don't do something you don't believe in because it diminishes it. Kneeling, taking communion, etc. is for people for whom those activities hold meaning.
when I've gone to Catholic funerals or weddings, I have seen Protestants -- people who go to church every week -- NOT do the kneeling that the Catholics do. The prayers done while kneeling are Catholic liturgy, not more generic prayers that cover most/all Christian faiths/people.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

United States

#48 Apr 9, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text> So pretend you were raised catholic.
Then I would probably have the kid baptized.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

United States

#49 Apr 9, 2013
Mimi Seattle wrote:
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He still doesn't get it. Bet if he went inside of a mosque on Friday afternoon he would suddenly have to much personal integrity to partake of the prayers. Just a hunch you understand. <shrug>
If I ended up in a mosque for some reason, I would bow toward Mecca just like everyone else. I probably wouldn't take part in actual prayer, but I would go through the motions just because.

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#50 Apr 9, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
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Then I would probably have the kid baptized.
And I guess that falls in line with you going thru the motions in church just so you don't stand out. I on the other hand chose not to. I don't go to church. Other than this past Easter, I have not been to church in over 15 years. I would feel like a hypocrite baptizing my children into a church where I am not a practicing member just because my mother wanted me to do so. I did not even get married in a church.

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#51 Apr 9, 2013
I don't believe in baptism, of course, but if my parents were religious and it was important to them that my kid get baptized, I'd let them do that for their own peace of mind. (Nick let his dad do this with NIck's firstborn, but the wife was not told, she would have freaked out.)

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Since: Mar 09

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#52 Apr 9, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
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If I ended up in a mosque for some reason, I would bow toward Mecca just like everyone else. I probably wouldn't take part in actual prayer, but I would go through the motions just because.
Well that just confirms what I already knew. You have no personal integrity.

There is no reason you should or would be expected to participate in the prayer. They would only ask that you were respectful and not disruptive.

To act as though you are one of the initiates (of any religion) when in fact you are only an observer is insulting to those who believe; it takes away the meaningful-ness of what they are doing and reduces it to nothing more than physical actions which can be aped by anyone.

*I* think it's pointless, but that doesn't mean *they*
(whichever they...Muslims, Catholics, Buddhists, etc).

I also respect myself enough to not be a poseur.

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#53 Apr 9, 2013
*doesn't mean they do...

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Since: Feb 09

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#54 Apr 9, 2013
I have to disagree. It is not just aping the ritual if you choose to do it. I dont see that as insulting. If there was something specific that only those as that faith could do (communion), and you were to do that, then I can see you saying it is insulting.
But standing, kneeling, chanting, praying or dancing are all things that anyone in the building are allowed to do and I dont see why anyone would take offense to it.
Mimi Seattle wrote:
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Well that just confirms what I already knew. You have no personal integrity.
There is no reason you should or would be expected to participate in the prayer. They would only ask that you were respectful and not disruptive.
To act as though you are one of the initiates (of any religion) when in fact you are only an observer is insulting to those who believe; it takes away the meaningful-ness of what they are doing and reduces it to nothing more than physical actions which can be aped by anyone.
*I* think it's pointless, but that doesn't mean *they*
(whichever they...Muslims, Catholics, Buddhists, etc).
I also respect myself enough to not be a poseur.

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me!

#55 Apr 9, 2013
I think a lot of you are coming from the position that you are in the building for an event (wedding, funeral) as opposed to being their specifically for the service itself. If I go into a mosque because I want to experience the service only to stand there in respectful silence, it kinda ruins it for me dont it?

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#56 Apr 9, 2013
RACE wrote:
I think a lot of you are coming from the position that you are in the building for an event (wedding, funeral)
Yes.
RACE wrote:
If I go into a mosque because I want to experience the service
That's YOU.
RACE wrote:
only to stand there in respectful silence, it kinda ruins it for me dont it?
Again. That's YOU.

I have never been in a temple, mosque, synagogue, etc. I do not practice any religion that uses those as places of worship. I have no reason nor any interest in going to a service. The only reason I could see myself going to one is just as you stated. A specific event that I have been invited to, like a wedding. My attendance would be for the purposes of watching my friends get married. Nothing is ruined for me by just observing, since that's all I want to do.

“A Programmer is not in IT!”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me!

#57 Apr 9, 2013
Yes, that is ME. Am I slamming the religion by doing so though?

That is the distinction I overlooked the other day on this subject.
I can totally see that if you are just going to see peeps get married or baptized, then you may not wish to join in, and respectful silence is appropriate.

But I also dont think(but I may be wrong) that a wedding ceremony contains a full service, to which you would feel the need to decline to participate.
Mister Tonka wrote:
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Yes.
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That's YOU.
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Again. That's YOU.
I have never been in a temple, mosque, synagogue, etc. I do not practice any religion that uses those as places of worship. I have no reason nor any interest in going to a service. The only reason I could see myself going to one is just as you stated. A specific event that I have been invited to, like a wedding. My attendance would be for the purposes of watching my friends get married. Nothing is ruined for me by just observing, since that's all I want to do.

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Since: Dec 08

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#58 Apr 9, 2013
RACE wrote:
Yes, that is ME. Am I slamming the religion by doing so though?
I don't think it is disrespectful to participate. But your initial tirade on this, albeit misunderstood and cleared up later seemed to suggest that those who were quietly observing were somehow being disrespectful. My opinion is, whether you choose to participate or observe, you are being respectful if you are not being disruptive.
RACE wrote:
But I also dont think(but I may be wrong) that a wedding ceremony contains a full service, to which you would feel the need to decline to participate.
There is no one size fits all wedding. I just went to one in November in a Catholic church and it was a full mass.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

#59 Apr 9, 2013
Mimi Seattle wrote:
You have no personal integrity...

I also respect myself enough to not be a poseur.
I tried to shrug this off but you will just not let it go. I am not disrespecting myself or lacking personal integrity because I kneel in a Catholic church. My way of thinking, I would be disrespectful if I was in a Catholic church or a mosque and refused to partake in their norms and traditions, which is how I feel about refusing to bow your goddam head in a prayer circle! Nobody says you HAVE to actually pray, but show some respect for the people around you and cast your eyes on the goddam floor! Again, things aren't always about YOU. Sofuckingwhat if you're not a believer, you're in church or a mosque or a prayer group for whatever reason, just FAKE it! Pointing out the fact you don't believe in whatever, doesn't make you the epitome of personal integrity; it makes you an AZZ!

“No. 1 Stunna”

Since: Aug 08

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#60 Apr 9, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
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I tried to shrug this off but you will just not let it go. I am not disrespecting myself or lacking personal integrity because I kneel in a Catholic church. My way of thinking, I would be disrespectful if I was in a Catholic church or a mosque and refused to partake in their norms and traditions, which is how I feel about refusing to bow your goddam head in a prayer circle! Nobody says you HAVE to actually pray, but show some respect for the people around you and cast your eyes on the goddam floor! Again, things aren't always about YOU. Sofuckingwhat if you're not a believer, you're in church or a mosque or a prayer group for whatever reason, just FAKE it! Pointing out the fact you don't believe in whatever, doesn't make you the epitome of personal integrity; it makes you an AZZ!
You aren't supposed to receive communion in a Catholic church, if you are not a Catholic. So, you aren't supposed to partake in their norms or traditions, unless you are one of them.

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