“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Wilmington, IL

#1 Feb 9, 2014
DEAR AMY: Our nephew "Jeremy" has been in jail for a little over a month of a three-month sentence for a road rage incident.

He's basically a good kid with anger-management issues. His mother (my sister-in-law) has told everyone in the extended family about this situation, except for her mother-in-law, "Mary."

We're not sure why, but my sister-in-law says she "has her reasons" for not telling Mary, and that she would appreciate it if we would stay out of it.

This is very uncomfortable for all of us, and we feel terrible being part of this conspiracy of silence. We know that at some time the truth will come out (we all take an annual vacation together and otherwise communicate regularly during the year), and that we will all be held to blame.

If Mary asks us if we know how Jeremy is doing, should we tell her the truth?

We think it's wrong to keep this from her but are trying to be loyal to my sister-on-law. What should we do?-- Conflicted

DEAR CONFLICTED: Every day I hear from readers about long-held family secrets -- about babies adopted, crimes committed, infidelity, etc. I'm talking about huge secrets known by a circle of people who managed not to disclose this knowledge to other people, sometimes for decades.

As you probably know (if you read this column regularly), I believe in truth and disclosure.

However, there are degrees of crimes and limits to the need for disclosure. If a young person's mother asks you not to disclose to an older family member something deeply personal regarding a crime one of her children committed, then you should respect her wish, unless the crime would have a direct impact on the mother-in-law (i.e. she would be at risk).

You should urge your sister-in-law to disclose this news herself, because then she -- not another family member -- can provide the context.

If you are asked how "Jeremy" is doing, it is very easy to answer. You say, "I haven't seen him lately, but you should ask his mom. I know she's been in touch with him."

If this news comes out, and "Mary" blames you for keeping silent, you can say, "This was not my news to tell." Which happens to be the truth.

DEAR AMY: I read your column every day and usually agree with you. However, your response to "Parents in the New World" took me by surprise.

Whether the 18-year-old boy (man) knows the girl he is corresponding with is 14 years old is irrelevant.

Her parents should discourage the relationship, pronto! Whether he lives across the country or across the street, the age difference sets up emotional and physical expectations she is most likely unprepared to negotiate.

I'm sure there are plenty of boys within a couple years' difference in age she could have a "real" relationship with, in person and in full view of parental supervision.

Internet relationships encourage dishonesty and potential behaviors that could be downright dangerous. What's to prevent this quiet and shy 14-year-old from getting the Internet courage to get on a bus and meet him in person?-- Concerned Reader

DEAR CONCERNED: I agree with you (and the parents who wrote to me) that this relationship is definitely something to be concerned about. That is why I suggested that the parents must be as involved as possible: meeting this person (virtually), verifying his identity and basically shining a light on this relationship to bring it out into the open.

Unfortunately, there is very little that can be done to prevent Internet relationships. Kids who are denied wireless access -- texting, etc.-- at home can easily go to a school or public library and use wireless and public terminals to communicate secretly. They can borrow a friend's phone or purchase a prepaid phone for this purpose.

The best thing to do is to treat this relationship the way they should treat any friendship with a child this age: "We need to know who your friends are. If this is somebody you care about enough to be in touch with regularly, then we need to meet him."
Cass

Claremont, CA

#2 Feb 9, 2014
LW1 - That must have been SOME road rage "incident"!

Somehow, I get this feeling that "Mary" is the only one realistic about "Jeremy" because the rest of you seem to be thinking of him as a "basically good kid with anger management issues," as if anger-management issues are a minor thing, no biggie - even though it landed him in jail.

Hopefully, being in jail has scared the crapp out of him and he is getting some mandatory anger-management classes and learning something from them. If he is not, he might kill somebody next time he has "anger-management issues" and end up with at least a 10-year prison term.

LW2 - Every time I read something like this, I start worrying about my own kids growing up. Before the internet, it was a bit easier.

When I was 16, I started dating a 20-year-old guy. My mother found out and put a stop to it: told him to lay off and get lost, talked to me very seriously about the inappropriateness of such a relationship (I actually remember her asking me to think whether it would be appropriate for a boy my age to date a 12-year-old girl, and I thought "ewww, creepy.") In the age of the internet, it's a little harder to limit access and a little harder to misrepresent oneself. Scary.
cheluzal

Plant City, FL

#3 Feb 9, 2014
1: My policy in stuff like this is I won't outright state it, but if asked point-blank, I won't lie. I refuse to lie--ever. No matter how it might be; I have built a reputation of never lying, not even little white ones, and I take it seriously.
boundary painter

San Antonio, TX

#4 Feb 9, 2014
Is LW1 real? Why would "Mary" ask LW1 about Jeremy instead of
asking his motherf? And what's stopping Jeremy from writing to his
grandmother himself from the jai?.
Kuuipo

Salinas, CA

#5 Feb 9, 2014
cheluzal wrote:
1: My policy in stuff like this is I won't outright state it, but if asked point-blank, I won't lie. I refuse to lie--ever. No matter how it might be; I have built a reputation of never lying, not even little white ones, and I take it seriously.
I thought Amy's answer was spot-on because it didn't require LW to lie. It allowed her to keep her SIL's secret and put the responsibility for disclosure back to the source. I think if you are asked to keep a secret, you should strive to do that. LW is not going to be asked, "Is Jeremy in jail?" Even then, she could say, "Why don't you ask SIL about that?"
cheluzal

Plant City, FL

#6 Feb 9, 2014
Kuuipo wrote:
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. I think if you are asked to keep a secret, you should strive to do that."
To a point. I think it's unfair people tell such a bold secret and ask you to keep something of that caliber.
Like I said, I would never spill a secret but I refuse to lie--for anybody.
Asking someone (heck, a whole family) to keep a secret of this caliber is just gross.
Kuuipo

Salinas, CA

#7 Feb 9, 2014
cheluzal wrote:
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To a point. I think it's unfair people tell such a bold secret and ask you to keep something of that caliber.
Like I said, I would never spill a secret but I refuse to lie--for anybody.
Asking someone (heck, a whole family) to keep a secret of this caliber is just gross.
I agree. Asking a whole family to evade this issue is absurd. If/when Mary finds out that this information was kept from her, she will be livid.
cheluzal

Plant City, FL

#9 Feb 10, 2014
Kuuipo wrote:
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I agree. Asking a whole family to evade this issue is absurd. If/when Mary finds out that this information was kept from her, she will be livid.
I say WHEN over IF.
I have a saying: secrets always have a way of rising to the surface, always.

It;s better to be open then be caught perpetuating such a lie. Poor Mary.

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#10 Feb 11, 2014
Lw1: lw is the sil of the secret keeper. So i'm guessing lw married her brother. Secret keeper is keeping it from her mil. Does not sound like this is a shared mil. So why the f would this mil ask YOU how that kid is doing? I find it hard to believe she corresponds with you directly at all. That would be my mom calling my wife's brother's wife. Not happening, and if it did, she sure would not be asking her about MY kid.

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