Picture far from perfect for WLS-Ch. 7

Before June 12, Glenview resident Roger Grubb would turn on his HDTV and marvel over the picture quality of his over-the-air channels, especially WLS-Ch. 7. "It was spectacular," said Grubb, whose six-story apartment building has a master antenna on the roof. Full Story
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surfer dude

Chicago, IL

#146 Jul 13, 2009
As someone said earlier, I'm watching way less tv since the digital switch, so that's probably a good thing unless you are an advertiser dumb enough to pay ABC or CBS.

Maybe CBS can start simulcasting Survivor and Amazing Race on their radio station like they do with 60 minutes. Or they can take the "when radio was" slot and use that for any of their other programs they want people to listen too...we can all get a look into our future by seeing what it was like to live through 1934.

Hopefully they can figure this out by the time the football season comes around, otherwise CBS and ABC should lose their right to broadcast any of the Bears games they have and move those to Fox or WCIU.

Given something like 40% of Americans don't have cable and proportionately, I bet that number spikes to more like 60% in the major cities like Chicago, NY, Boston, Phillie, DC...it really seems like a big miss on a lot of lobbyists. There no reason to pay for TV and if you have cable, you don't watch the commercials with those recorders...so who exactly in the media thought this would be a good thing?

Now that would make a good story. I bet CBS is the first broadcaster to go bankrupt, followed by Disney. Broadcast tv will soon be like the newspaper.

Maybe we can save the economy by building a dome over Chicago so we can get good reception on the days it's not raining, snowing, humid, windy, my neighbor Bill isn't doing yoga on his roof, or...

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Since: Sep 08

Chicago, IL

#147 Jul 13, 2009
I don't know what ABC had to select from in total but it would have been a small selection. The FCC is responsible for making sure that different stations that may overlap are on different frequencies.
Joe Zydeco wrote:
<quoted text>
You sure about that?
"The ABC station group, which selected VHF channels as the permanent home for all 10 of its DTV stations, had expected some reception problems in Chicago and New York when WLS and WABC began broadcasting DTV on their old analog VHF assignments"
http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/2793...
surfer dude

Chicago, IL

#148 Jul 13, 2009
havutried wrote:
<quoted text>
You are so right on. The only place to get any of that is from TV. Not the local library, not the internet, not books, not magazines, not any other way!
I actually like the extra PBS and the channel 5 that has all the sports. I think I've seen more of the Beijing Olympics than I've ever seen during the two week original run. I'm siding with this guy, boredom and the pass by PBS and you get turned on to things that probably wouldn't have jumped out at you in the library or on the net. I don't want cable b/c I'd become a walking zombie watching nothing but national geo and discover and animal planet and history...I've learned to not turn the tv on during business trips.
gilmore

United States

#149 Jul 13, 2009
Sounds like back to the future to me. In the 50's and 60's there were only three channels: 2,5,7 and 11. They were black and white and subject to the weather and dependent on the direction of the antenna (a motorized antenna helped depending on where you lived and transmitters location).

Signal ghosts were a problem on channel 2 because of high rise buildings and when the transmitters where placed on the Hancock Building and then the Sears Tower, much of the problems went away.

The point is that we've been through these problems before and over time it got better and I'm sure it will again.

One of my fondest memories was when we'd gather in front of our black and white Magnavox console television with popcorn and soda to watch Saturday Night At The Movies (likely a John Wayne movie) one of the vacuum tubes in the set would go out and the screen would go blank. Dad would have to remove all the tubes, place them in a shoe box and he, my brother and I would run up to the drug store test the tubes to determine which one was bad, buy a new one, replace them all into the chassis all, hopefully, before too much of the movie had passed.

Ahh, the good old days.
gilmore

United States

#150 Jul 13, 2009
Sorry, four channels.
surfer dude

Chicago, IL

#151 Jul 13, 2009
Summit Hill Sam wrote:
You folks with the A to D (analogue to digital) signal box and antenna. You have to be very close to the azimuth of the station's antenna. And of course, the closer you are physically to the station's transmitter, the better your reception.
But again, find out where the stations closest transmitting antennas is, and AIM your antenna right at it. Like here in Saint Paul, there's a TV antenna farm just about due north of us here on Summit Hill. We just aim our antenna for that tower and the stations come in nice and clear, like cable.
Of course, if we bump the TV set's antenna on our way to or from the kitchen, we get the sky-is-falling TV screen notices. And that off-azimuth digital stutt-tt-tt-tt-er-er-er.
You should get good reception.
Having said all that, the programs are still bad. The better the technology, the worse that programs.
Maybe in the twin cities, but CBS is hopeless. On the best days of analog you could maybe get the picture from raging blizzard to mild flurries. You don't know how many bears games and superbowls most Chicagoans thought there was a raging blizzard only to walk outside to a nice autumn day.
Now the big digital switch and CBS 2 has been sucked into a digital black hole.

Maybe the FCC would like us all to put up 1,000 ft antennas (to please the green lobby they can double as wind generators) so we can catch the signals coming off the Hancock and Sears Tower...only then the FAA might get a bit freaked as the lumbering 747s and 777s landing at O'Hare might not be able to cruise in from the lake at 1,000 feet (why are the widebodies flying so low this past weekend?)
Summit Hill Sam

Minneapolis, MN

#152 Jul 14, 2009
Vidiotic wrote:
<quoted text>
You sound as if you like to remain pretty uneducated. Using a proper inquisitive mind, you'll find information that can help you look beyond your current TV-less life.
Grow up. People whose curiosity was lacking, to the point of believing in superstitions and war-like religious leaders, burned down the Library of Alexandria (an event that I learned about originally on TV, by the way). TV is an important part of a well rounded education
Not everyone watches Jerry Springer.
Quality entertainment and information is available, just be a little selective.
Oh, and more to the point. WBBM TV and WLS TV need to increase or move their signals!!
PBS has wonderful showings. Not all of PBS is interesting. But it is far better to watch. And I find old movies wonderful to watch on TV.

Otherwise I spend a great deal of time at the library working on research.

Pray Always!

Now it's my bedtime. I wish everyone a good night's sleep.
Summit Hill Sam

Minneapolis, MN

#153 Jul 14, 2009
surfer dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe in the twin cities, but CBS is hopeless. On the best days of analog you could maybe get the picture from raging blizzard to mild flurries. You don't know how many bears games and superbowls most Chicagoans thought there was a raging blizzard only to walk outside to a nice autumn day.
Now the big digital switch and CBS 2 has been sucked into a digital black hole.
Maybe the FCC would like us all to put up 1,000 ft antennas (to please the green lobby they can double as wind generators) so we can catch the signals coming off the Hancock and Sears Tower...only then the FAA might get a bit freaked as the lumbering 747s and 777s landing at O'Hare might not be able to cruise in from the lake at 1,000 feet (why are the widebodies flying so low this past weekend?)
Whoops. I nearly missed your repy, Surfer Dude. I was going to suggest the same thing. Increased line of sight signal strength for over-the-air analogue and/or digital reception is the ultimate answer.

At the heart of all this nonsense in going digital is the fear by broadcasters that they'll lose viewers. And rightly so! There is not a whole lot worth viewing by anyone with average intelligence.
TiredOfUS

Chicago, IL

#154 Jul 14, 2009
I heart Schadenfreude wrote:
<quoted text>
__________
Makes me feel MUCH better to know that illiterate aliens are doing much of the hating on Obama. Good to know that REAL Americans, that speak and write English correctly, still support Obama.
Are you sure about that? Becareful, sitting so high on the hog, you just might fall down.
Rich Bennema

Tampa, FL

#155 Jul 14, 2009
I'm in Downers Grove. On the 12th, I lost WLS and gained WBBM. It's the first time in 5 years I've had 2, analog or digital.

WLS had to get off of 52 as it was being sold (thus the whole point of Congress pushing through this transition). Stupid decision #1 was choosing a frequency set to expire. WLS is the sub-prime mortgagee of DTV. But the far exceedingly stupider decision was moving to VHF instead of a different UHF frequency.

In between, was stupid decision #3 to recommend "consumers look into outdoor antennas." Here's my counter recommendation: move back to UHF or move everything online. Otherwise, let me know when you're coming by to install an outdoor antenna for me.
Joseph

Hanover Park, IL

#157 Jul 30, 2009
I live in Naperville, IL with an outdoor antenna on the roof and having problem receiving channel 7 after the digital transition.
Independent Voter Joliet

Joliet, IL

#158 Aug 1, 2009
Joseph wrote:
I live in Naperville, IL with an outdoor antenna on the roof and having problem receiving channel 7 after the digital transition.
Nothing good on 7 anyway..
Roger

Elgin, IL

#159 Aug 2, 2009
WLS will not care until their ratings go down!!

At my next American Legion meeting I will asking them to block channel 7 at the Post until the Veterans in nursing homes can again receive WLS.
The fact is, older fixed income and limited income folks just can not afford the WLS present recommended fix. BUY MORE GEAR !!

Here is the answer I got back from WLS Engineering on their problem:

From: WLS-TV Engineering <WLS-TV.Engineering@abc.com >
Subject: RE: have you given up fixing DTV?
Date: Thursday, July 23, 2009, 1:02 PM

Roger-
Thanks for contacting ABC 7 Chicago. We do appreciate questions and comments. As of 12 noon on June 12, ABC 7 Chicago has moved its DTV signal from UHF channel 52 (mapped/displayed as 7.1, 7.2, & 7.3) back to VHF channel 7 (mapped/displayed as 7.1, 7.2, & 7.3) for its digital broadcast. If you are receiving ABC 7 off-air using an antenna and are having problems with our signal after this time, please rescan your converter box or digital TV to pick up our station. If you are receiving ABC 7 via cable or satellite and are having problems with our signal please contact your provider.

There are some factors that can interfere with the signal, such as the weather and trees with leaves. There also might be interference interrupting our signal to you. Check the orientation of the antenna; it should be pointed to the Sears Tower .

ROOF TOP ANTENNA:
If you have a roof top antenna, make sure it is a VHF and UHF antenna.
< Please check that it is not corroded or otherwise damaged, same with the cables going from the antenna to the house to the TVs.(Quad Shielded RG6U cable is recommended and available at retailers.)
< It could be that your antenna maybe split into to many directions (i.e. to too many TV’s); a good RF amplifier splitter could solve that problem.

INDOOR ANTENNA:
Indoor antennas come in many flavors and work best for homes within 25 miles of the Sears Tower . A good VHF/UHF antenna will ensure reception.
< If you have rabbit ears, try reducing the length of the “ears”(elements) to 12 to 18 inches and rescan.
< Moving the antenna closer to the window/wall and having the antenna 1-2 feet away from the TV may help.
< Winegard model SS 3000 and Channel Master are good indoor antennas, as is Terk HDTVa.
< Do a rescan or directly input 7-1 as you are moving around the antenna to multiple antenna locations. Some locations work a lot better then others
< Some indoor antennas are not going to work no matter what you do. Outdoor antennas have the best performance and Winegard makes a number of them (such as Winegard HD8200U). If an outdoor antenna is not something you wish or are able to pursue, getting cable or Satellite is your best bet.

We are working with the FCC to resolve the problem which may result increase of power, which may solve your issue.

Thanks
Engineering
ElleTea

Eatontown, NJ

#160 Aug 2, 2009
beba wrote:
I live in a different state and we also have lost our ABC signal, which used to be fine great, when they made the switch. We have an HDTV and have already tried most of the 'fixes' our local station suggested. We have no intention of being forced into getting cable or dish or whatever. We will just watch less TV. It had become too much trouble.
I know the feeling of not wanting to be forced to go "cable". I'm, like many, on a very tight budget and recently moved from a good reception area to a bad one. In the previous area, all I used was a cable wire as an antenna. I got to know which position of the wire picked up which stations. When I moved, even a proper antenna did not work at all. I like tinkering with technology but I tired of trying to make it work. I can't complain because I found that to get basic cable in my area is less than twelve dollars a month and all I have to do is turn on the set. I love my New 12 and getting all the basic channel so clearly. There are other channels also that I did not expect. TV is good for information(ie. emergergencies, road condions, weather) as well as entertainment. To me, it's as necessary as a telphone.
Independent Voter Joliet

Joliet, IL

#161 Aug 2, 2009
ElleTea wrote:
<quoted text>
I know the feeling of not wanting to be forced to go "cable". I'm, like many, on a very tight budget and recently moved from a good reception area to a bad one. In the previous area, all I used was a cable wire as an antenna. I got to know which position of the wire picked up which stations. When I moved, even a proper antenna did not work at all. I like tinkering with technology but I tired of trying to make it work. I can't complain because I found that to get basic cable in my area is less than twelve dollars a month and all I have to do is turn on the set. I love my New 12 and getting all the basic channel so clearly. There are other channels also that I did not expect. TV is good for information(ie. emergergencies, road condions, weather) as well as entertainment. To me, it's as necessary as a telphone.
to you and many others television is a necessity.. however, our government in it's greedy self doen't give one good darn about the people only about what they can sell to make more money for their pocket.. they are a bunch of disgusting bunch of bottom feeders

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Since: May 08

Buffalo Grove, IL - HR-676!!!

#162 Aug 3, 2009
What ABC is saying is that they really don't give a $#it.
Roger wrote:
WLS will not care until their ratings go down!!
At my next American Legion meeting I will asking them to block channel 7 at the Post until the Veterans in nursing homes can again receive WLS.
The fact is, older fixed income and limited income folks just can not afford the WLS present recommended fix. BUY MORE GEAR !!
Here is the answer I got back from WLS Engineering on their problem:
From: WLS-TV Engineering <WLS-TV.Engineering@abc.com >
Subject: RE: have you given up fixing DTV?
Date: Thursday, July 23, 2009, 1:02 PM
Roger-
Thanks for contacting ABC 7 Chicago. We do appreciate questions and comments. As of 12 noon on June 12, ABC 7 Chicago has moved its DTV signal from UHF channel 52 (mapped/displayed as 7.1, 7.2, & 7.3) back to VHF channel 7 (mapped/displayed as 7.1, 7.2, & 7.3) for its digital broadcast. If you are receiving ABC 7 off-air using an antenna and are having problems with our signal after this time, please rescan your converter box or digital TV to pick up our station. If you are receiving ABC 7 via cable or satellite and are having problems with our signal please contact your provider.
There are some factors that can interfere with the signal, such as the weather and trees with leaves. There also might be interference interrupting our signal to you. Check the orientation of the antenna; it should be pointed to the Sears Tower .
ROOF TOP ANTENNA:
If you have a roof top antenna, make sure it is a VHF and UHF antenna.
< Please check that it is not corroded or otherwise damaged, same with the cables going from the antenna to the house to the TVs.(Quad Shielded RG6U cable is recommended and available at retailers.)
< It could be that your antenna maybe split into to many directions (i.e. to too many TV’s); a good RF amplifier splitter could solve that problem.
INDOOR ANTENNA:
Indoor antennas come in many flavors and work best for homes within 25 miles of the Sears Tower . A good VHF/UHF antenna will ensure reception.
< If you have rabbit ears, try reducing the length of the “ears”(elements) to 12 to 18 inches and rescan.
< Moving the antenna closer to the window/wall and having the antenna 1-2 feet away from the TV may help.
< Winegard model SS 3000 and Channel Master are good indoor antennas, as is Terk HDTVa.
< Do a rescan or directly input 7-1 as you are moving around the antenna to multiple antenna locations. Some locations work a lot better then others
< Some indoor antennas are not going to work no matter what you do. Outdoor antennas have the best performance and Winegard makes a number of them (such as Winegard HD8200U). If an outdoor antenna is not something you wish or are able to pursue, getting cable or Satellite is your best bet.
We are working with the FCC to resolve the problem which may result increase of power, which may solve your issue.
Thanks
Engineering
Gwen Johnson

Darien, IL

#163 Aug 8, 2009
Wow.... since the transition, I have purchased a 50 antenna and chnaged the converter boxes and to this day, have NOT been able to get Channel 7 or Channel 2. The greatest sadness of ALL, is that channel 7 does NOT care. According to FCC, channel 7 is very much aware of the problem and yet, because what they consider to be a "small segment" of viewers who cannot get channel 7, they do NOT deem us worthy enough to recapturing the "small segment". In other words, "we don't count/matter and if the segment was large enough to effect the numbers, they would have responded imediately! I was an extremely loyal channel 7 viewer. So glad all my loyalty has paid off, so glad I matter, so glad that they care enough about that strong signal that is "reaching the asses" that they don't even care are the least of us. SHAME ON YOU WLS CHANNEL 7. I look forward to your failure, especially if enough of us, wake up or better yet... let's write Oprah, I'll bet that will get their attention..... Hey Oprah, guess what!
Gwen Johnson

Darien, IL

#164 Aug 8, 2009
Wow.... since the transition, I have purchased a 50 antenna and chnaged the converter boxes and to this day, have NOT been able to get Channel 7 or Channel 2. The greatest sadness of ALL, is that channel 7 does NOT care. According to FCC, channel 7 is very much aware of the problem and yet, because what they consider to be a "small segment" of viewers who cannot get channel 7, they do NOT deem us worthy enough to recapturing the "small segment". In other words, "we don't count/matter and if the segment was large enough to effect the numbers, they would have responded imediately! I was an extremely loyal channel 7 viewer. So glad all my loyalty has paid off, so glad I matter, so glad that they care enough about that strong signal that is "reaching the asses" that they don't even care are the least of us. SHAME ON YOU WLS CHANNEL 7. I look forward to your failure, especially if enough of us, wake up or better yet... let's write Oprah, I'll bet that will get their attention..... Hey Oprah, guess what?

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Since: Sep 08

Chicago, IL

#166 Aug 10, 2009
WLS is aware of the problem but needs FCC permision to change their power output. To simply say they don't care shows you don't know the whole story.
Gwen Johnson wrote:
Wow.... since the transition, I have purchased a 50 antenna and chnaged the converter boxes and to this day, have NOT been able to get Channel 7 or Channel 2. The greatest sadness of ALL, is that channel 7 does NOT care. According to FCC, channel 7 is very much aware of the problem and yet, because what they consider to be a "small segment" of viewers who cannot get channel 7, they do NOT deem us worthy enough to recapturing the "small segment". In other words, "we don't count/matter and if the segment was large enough to effect the numbers, they would have responded imediately! I was an extremely loyal channel 7 viewer. So glad all my loyalty has paid off, so glad I matter, so glad that they care enough about that strong signal that is "reaching the asses" that they don't even care are the least of us. SHAME ON YOU WLS CHANNEL 7. I look forward to your failure, especially if enough of us, wake up or better yet... let's write Oprah, I'll bet that will get their attention..... Hey Oprah, guess what?
chicago musician

Schaumburg, IL

#167 Aug 11, 2009
Oprah, Dr. Oz, PLEASE HELP US PEOPLE THAT CAN'T AFFORD CABLE OR JUST DO WANT TO DEAL W? THOSE COMPANIES> like someone else said, I watch a lot less TV, which is a good thing. Thank GOD I just got a baby grand piano! MAYBE HARPO COULD MOVE OVER TO PBS OR WISE TV OR SOMETHING!

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