How reform failed in Illinois

How reform failed in Illinois

There are 31 comments on the Chicago Tribune story from Jul 4, 2009, titled How reform failed in Illinois. In it, Chicago Tribune reports that:

Just days before state lawmakers were supposed to wrap up business, Democratic Gov.

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Mr W T Rush

AOL

#1 Jul 4, 2009
"...A pair of Chicago Democrats, Madigan and Cullerton had written much of the Springfield playbook in their combined 68 years at the Capitol and had firm control of the legislature...."
Here dear readers is a key fact, frequently ignored by most media. In those 68 years, Madigan and Cullerton have engaged in wrong doing. Unlike governors of both parties, GOP legislative leaders and their staffs: these two not be accused or charged.
They do have a wealth of real life experiences and base legislative ideas on those facts.
The Quinn Commission, well intended but nearly devoid of any experience in making donations, fixed on campaign donations with a flawed sense all are really bribes. The fiaxtion was met with a real world approach that does limit money coming into the system and requires quick disclosures.
When coupled with other ethics changes in FOI, purchasing, executive ethics and the earlier pay to plan, one must conclude real reforms are in place in Illinois.
Now we can ask the Trib to share all the files on the ESOP/Wrigley scandals.
sowhat

Northbrook, IL

#2 Jul 4, 2009
Madigan must have given everyone the Mendoza line. I received an e-mail from my rep., basically saying the same thing that it was a tactical decision to vote for the Madigan bill or nothing.

Of course, if past is prologue, the Madigan bill is as close to nothing as possible.
Guy

Chicago, IL

#4 Jul 4, 2009
What corrupt politicians are too stupid or ignorant to realize is just how their greedy behavior corrodes the foundations of government --any government.

It sickens me to write this but I've come to believe that the only way Illinois' corrupt culture would change quickly (i.e. within 10-15 years) is in response to massive civil demonstrations and disobedience. But that's just not going to happen. People are far too fat and lazy to get off the couch to do much of anything any more. So unless they're starving and homeless expect no change.
Karl Marx- I oughtta know

Lemont, IL

#5 Jul 4, 2009
Did the reform ever start? Did we ever get rid of any Crook County corrupters? Did we ever reverse any stupid taxes? Did the good guys ever gain any ground?

Or, is it more of the same without relent?
Profiles in Courage

United States

#6 Jul 4, 2009
At least there were 6 House Democrats with enough backbone not to go along with this farce.

Thanks to Reps. Colvin, Davis, Fritchey, May, Miller and Ryg.

The rest of you are all talk.
hussein

Oak Ridge, TN

#7 Jul 4, 2009
i don't blame quinn, madigan nore colluerton...i blame stupid taxpayers who vote these clowns in...the real bad news is that they will be voted in again and again.

Since: Jun 08

Wilmette, IL

#8 Jul 4, 2009
This story illustrates that Democrat politicians sacrificed an ethics bill with teeth in order to preserve their OWN political power.

The Democrats first promised and then took away any chance for voters to fill Obama's vacant Senate seat and the governor's seat after the Blago fiasco.

Meanwhile, Democrats want to increase taxes by 50 percent!!!!

Democrats can choose their own lame ethics bill, choose to prevent voters from deciding who represents them in the vacant senate and governor seats and raise taxes during a severe Recession.

But voters in 2010 can decide to strip all power from the Democrats.

So what say you Illinois voters?

No Dems in 2010.
Handle

Germany

#9 Jul 4, 2009
Guy wrote:
What corrupt politicians are too stupid or ignorant to realize is just how their greedy behavior corrodes the foundations of government --any government.
It sickens me to write this but I've come to believe that the only way Illinois' corrupt culture would change quickly (i.e. within 10-15 years) is in response to massive civil demonstrations and disobedience. But that's just not going to happen. People are far too fat and lazy to get off the couch to do much of anything any more. So unless they're starving and homeless expect no change.
Back to front:

1. You're right, the people are far too brain-numbed to act. They will complain, but they will not act.

2. Politicians will be as corrupt as they can be, until they are forced to be otherwise.

3. The foundation of government is mass coercion. That's not a radical statement. Look up the definitions of government and state: An organization that maintains a monopoly on the use of force.

#3 is very hard for people to accept. It calls too many precious beliefs into question. Nonetheless, it is true.
Steve

Chicago, IL

#10 Jul 4, 2009
The problem is Mike Madigan's district will vote for him no matter what. For more on Chicago Democrats.
http://nalert.blogspot.com/2008/03/chicago-de...
TJK

Chicago, IL

#11 Jul 4, 2009
Seriously, did anyone REALLY think true reform would come just because they kicked out Blagojevich? Come on, folks, wake up. Until we stop re-electing the same clowns year after year after year, we will never get things to change. Either that, or we as voters insist on term limits.

Since: Oct 07

Des Plaines, IL

#12 Jul 4, 2009
Bottom feeder clowns. All of them.
DSI

Fort Dodge, IA

#13 Jul 4, 2009
I'm sick and tired of people with great intellects and degrees dummying up when it comes to campaign finance reform. All money should be taken out. There are so many ways it could be done; one could not list them all. The public should fund these campaigns. No one should be allowed to use their own private money or "pay to play money." We have the internet. Cullerton, Madigan and Daley all have brains. Like out of control teenagers, all they can do is bully and rob. Let the citizens pay for these campaigns and find ways to qualify candidates. We pay regardless, and currently receive nothing but criminals for politicians.
Hmm

Oak Park, IL

#14 Jul 4, 2009
The author assumes that the legislators wanted to put real reform into place, which of course is preposterous. The politicians only wanted to make a token showing of reform, which will have no real effect, so that they can get past the voter anger and get back to giving away government money to their families and donors. That is the sole purpose of a politician in this state, and the only way that will change is if people keep their anger, and put real representatives into office who will actually reform the government in this state.
Shameful

United States

#15 Jul 4, 2009
They openly admit it is a sham bill, voted for only to save their own butts. No one mentions the need for reform for the good of the people, or for fair democracy, or to earn the trust of corruption-weary Illinoisans. It was all for show, and it was purposely written to be totally useless.

Well these incumbents need to know that people are so angry now that most incumbents, regardless of party, will be out of jobs at the next possible opportunity. I am a lifelong Democrat, as are almost all of my family and friends. But we are all so mad about this that I can't think of a single person who hasn't vowed to vote against all incumbents.

Start packing your bags, Illinois Democrats - and get ready for a long wait in the unemployment line.
Daleyfan

Des Plaines, IL

#16 Jul 4, 2009
So Quinn sold us out. Is anybody surprised? This is Illinois, so nothing should surprise anybody.
It is what it is

Chicago, IL

#17 Jul 4, 2009
Lets take the sting out of the politicans,by destroying money making scheme to rob the Citizens. Lets stop thir twisted plan to bring a 17 day circus to Chicago.

musial6

Edwardsville, IL

#18 Jul 5, 2009
As long as there is a Chicago the State will be run by crooks and loonies. Downstate should be allowed to secede.
musial6

Edwardsville, IL

#19 Jul 5, 2009
until there are term limits on the Speaker's position and the President ofthe Senate NOTHING will change.
Indie

Waukegan, IL

#20 Jul 5, 2009
Wait, I thought the Tribune told us last year that Barack Obama was the great reformer in Springfield? But, huh...this article says the State of Illinois is in need of major political reform. Oh, I get it - the Chicago Tribune lies for political purposes. Nice pot shots in the article, but the Chicago Tribune has zero credibility on ethics.
FedUp

Woodridge, IL

#21 Jul 5, 2009
Transfers from "legislative leaders to candidates at $90,000 a year".Now there is some clout for Madigan and Cullerton.
If a candidate wins an election and has received money from Madigan or Cullerton do you really think he will vote against the way they (Madigan/Cullerton)want him to?I am sure there will be alot of strings attached to that money.
Madigans,Cullerton,Fritchey,Qu inn,Daley and the rest all need to be voted out of office.They cannot pass meaningful ethics reform or even a State budget but yet they have their "closed door" meetings at a cost of $46,000 a meeting.
Cullerton and Madigan have 69 years of combined legislative experience.It is they who got us into this mess...VOTE THEM OUT !!!

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